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DasUberGuy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:22 am


The people on another board are still claiming that Goku could beat Superman and that Gotenks went faster than lightspeed around the earth.

One of their arguments was this:
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Your argument is so logically bunk I hardly know where to begin.

1) The panel of him circling the globe a half dozen times is JUST ONE PANEL of a flight that is shown over several panels. For any part of your argument to be valid, that one panel would have to be the entire flight, which is demonstratably false. He could have flown for nearly the full 30 minutes and it still wouldn't take away from the panel in question, because there are still all those other panels remaining.

2) There was not a total of thirty minutes between when he fused and when he defused. Thirty minutes is the standard, but any use of energy eats into the time. Turning SSj2 and flying around the world would lower the ammount of time below 30 minutes.

3) In order for your point about Piccolo finding him easily had he slept for most of the time to be valid, we would have to assume that the alternative is that the nap lasted practically no time at all, because it doesn't take Piccolo very long to travel anywhere on the planet. It makes very little sense that he would have taken a nap for less than a minute, and with anything longer than a minute Piccolo would have found him if your assumption is correct, so the more sensible assumption is that his ki level was lowered when he went to sleep.

4) The very idea that Toriyama drew the Earth with Gotenks doing laps around it because he wanted to try his hand at a drawing a time-lapse image is ridiculous on its face. He very obviously wanted to show that Gotenks circled the globe several times nigh-instantly, or he wouldn't have drawn that panel the way he did.


So what do you say to this?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:23 am


Is kyle Rayner in this guild? He'd know exactly how to answer this.

Master Mxyzptlk


DasUberGuy
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:59 pm


No, I invited him but he didn't join.

Anyway, what do you think?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:28 pm


Son is capable of defeating a Post Crisis Superman.

Super Saiyajin Four Gotenks buzzing at lightspeed around the globe is reasonable.

Goku can beat out at lightspeed using his Instantaneous Movement, and Gotenks has proven capable of warping the fabric of time and space as well.

Thing is; Goku needs a strong Ki to lock onto before he can teleport and Gotenks needs to use up a bunch of his own Ki just to build up to light speed.

It's magic.

That's partly the reason why I believe Son Goku can beat Superman. Kaioken is a power up technique given to him by the gods.

Just like Captain Marvel.

What?


Dr Henry Pym

Dangerous Genius

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:52 am


What?
Son is capable of defeating a Post Crisis Superman.

Super Saiyajin Four Gotenks buzzing at lightspeed around the globe is reasonable.

Goku can beat out at lightspeed using his Instantaneous Movement, and Gotenks has proven capable of warping the fabric of time and space as well.

Thing is; Goku needs a strong Ki to lock onto before he can teleport and Gotenks needs to use up a bunch of his own Ki just to build up to light speed.

It's magic.

That's partly the reason why I believe Son Goku can beat Superman. Kaioken is a power up technique given to him by the gods.

Just like Captain Marvel.

IT does not equal FTL travel it is Lightspeed with a Teleportation/Dimensional Travel trick built in to it.
Dragonball Earth if you look at all the Manga and Anime is much smaller than our Earth. Helecopters in the series have crossed continents. So it is easy to understand or veiw Gotenks circling the planet was Mach 12 or so... A comic panel is not set in a specific period in time a panel can take any where from a millisecond to days. So you can not judge speed by panel it is impossible because no Comic Artist out there has set a time to panel it would be very dumb to do so.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:02 am


That kind of argument is pretty vague, I mean a helicopter on our world could easily cross a continent, do you have any specific proof that DB Earth is smaller than RL earth? (Preferably with an episode number or manga chapter to reference).

DasUberGuy
Captain


Dr Henry Pym

Dangerous Genius

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:28 am


DasUberGuy
That kind of argument is pretty vague, I mean a helicopter on our world could easily cross a continent, do you have any specific proof that DB Earth is smaller than RL earth? (Preferably with an episode number or manga chapter to reference).

But not major ones... in DB the Red Ribbon Army went halfway across the world on a Helecopter, no helecopter on our earth could make that kind of trip.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:30 am


DasUberGuy
That kind of argument is pretty vague, I mean a helicopter on our world could easily cross a continent, do you have any specific proof that DB Earth is smaller than RL earth? (Preferably with an episode number or manga chapter to reference).

It may be, but it is as weak as them saying from one Panel that Gotenks was moving light speed, Panels do not represent x amount of time they can be anything from nanoseconds to years in time.

Dr Henry Pym

Dangerous Genius


DasUberGuy
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:52 am


Dr Henry Pym
DasUberGuy
That kind of argument is pretty vague, I mean a helicopter on our world could easily cross a continent, do you have any specific proof that DB Earth is smaller than RL earth? (Preferably with an episode number or manga chapter to reference).

But not major ones... in DB the Red Ribbon Army went halfway across the world on a Helecopter, no helecopter on our earth could make that kind of trip.


Do you have an episode number? The guys I'm debating with won't accept it if you don't.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:28 pm


Give Kyle Rayner a link to the thread and tell him what it's about. I'm sure he'd be glad to lay a verbal smackdown on the DBZ fans.

Master Mxyzptlk


Dr Henry Pym

Dangerous Genius

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:48 pm


DasUberGuy
Dr Henry Pym
DasUberGuy
That kind of argument is pretty vague, I mean a helicopter on our world could easily cross a continent, do you have any specific proof that DB Earth is smaller than RL earth? (Preferably with an episode number or manga chapter to reference).

But not major ones... in DB the Red Ribbon Army went halfway across the world on a Helecopter, no helecopter on our earth could make that kind of trip.


Do you have an episode number? The guys I'm debating with won't accept it if you don't.

Nail them with the panel example. That one alone refutes thier claim.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:48 am


Dr Henry Pym
DasUberGuy
That kind of argument is pretty vague, I mean a helicopter on our world could easily cross a continent, do you have any specific proof that DB Earth is smaller than RL earth? (Preferably with an episode number or manga chapter to reference).

But not major ones... in DB the Red Ribbon Army went halfway across the world on a Helecopter, no helecopter on our earth could make that kind of trip.

Keep in mind that the technology in the DB world is way more advanced than in our world. And there is no solid proof that their Earth is any smaller than ours. It has never been mentioned nor discussed, and only the fact that it is planet Earth has been mentioned. Therefore, we come to the conclusion that it is the same size.

Note: The only noticeable difference from their Earth to ours is that our continents do not exist there.

Note #2: The anime backs up the point that Gotenks' speed was within seconds. Since the manga could have easily been assumed to be more than that, the next best canon, anime, proves it to be a matter of seconds.

Saiyan Master Vegeta
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Saiyan Master Vegeta
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:52 am


Dr Henry Pym
DasUberGuy
That kind of argument is pretty vague, I mean a helicopter on our world could easily cross a continent, do you have any specific proof that DB Earth is smaller than RL earth? (Preferably with an episode number or manga chapter to reference).

It may be, but it is as weak as them saying from one Panel that Gotenks was moving light speed, Panels do not represent x amount of time they can be anything from nanoseconds to years in time.

Yes, unless the following panels take place within an extremely close time period, which was the case in Gotenks' speed. Everyone else was in the same spot, and doing the same thing as they were before Gotenks demonstrated his speed. The anime can back that up too.
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