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David Miranda detailed at Heathrow airport for nine hours

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:53 pm


This is a news story from a couple of days ago, but i was curious as to what the opinions on this were here. Not that (in my opinion) this is surprising at any level seeing what the things that the 2000 Terrorism Act allows and has been used for since it was passed.

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The partner of the Guardian journalist who has written a series of stories revealing mass surveillance programmes by the US National Security Agency was held for almost nine hours on Sunday by UK authorities as he passed through London's Heathrow airport on his way home to Rio de Janeiro.

David Miranda, who lives with Glenn Greenwald, was returning from a trip to Berlin when he was stopped by officers at 8.05am and informed that he was to be questioned under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. The controversial law, which applies only at airports, ports and border areas, allows officers to stop, search, question and detain individuals.

The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual. According to official figures, most examinations under schedule 7 – over 97% – last less than an hour, and only one in 2,000 people detained are kept for more than six hours.

Miranda was released, but officials confiscated electronics equipment including his mobile phone, laptop, camera, memory sticks, DVDs and games consoles.

Since 5 June, Greenwald has written a series of stories revealing the NSA's electronic surveillance programmes, detailed in thousands of files passed to him by whistleblower Edward Snowden. The Guardian has also published a number of stories about blanket electronic surveillance by Britain's GCHQ, also based on documents from Snowden.

While in Berlin, Miranda had visited Laura Poitras, the US film-maker who has also been working on the Snowden files with Greenwald and the Guardian. The Guardian paid for Miranda's flights.

"This is a profound attack on press freedoms and the news gathering process," Greenwald said. "To detain my partner for a full nine hours while denying him a lawyer, and then seize large amounts of his possessions, is clearly intended to send a message of intimidation to those of us who have been reporting on the NSA and GCHQ. The actions of the UK pose a serious threat to journalists everywhere.

"But the last thing it will do is intimidate or deter us in any way from doing our job as journalists. Quite the contrary: it will only embolden us more to continue to report aggressively."

A spokesperson for the Guardian said: "We were dismayed that the partner of a Guardian journalist who has been writing about the security services was detained for nearly nine hours while passing through Heathrow airport. We are urgently seeking clarification from the British authorities."

A spokesperson for Scotland Yard said: "At 08:05 on Sunday, 18 August a 28-year-old man was detained at Heathrow airport under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. He was not arrested. He was subsequently released at 17:00."

Scotland Yard refused to be drawn on why Miranda was stopped using powers that enable police officers to stop and question travellers at UK ports and airports.

There was no comment from the Home Office in relation to the detention. However, there was surprise in political circles and elsewhere. Labour MP Tom Watson said he was shocked at the news and called for it to be made clear if any ministers were involved in authorising the detention.

He said: "It's almost impossible, even without full knowledge of the case, to conclude that Glenn Greenwald's partner was a terrorist suspect.

"I think that we need to know if any ministers knew about this decision, and exactly who authorised it."

"The clause in this act is not meant to be used as a catch-all that can be used in this way."

Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act has been widely criticised for giving police broad powers under the guise of anti-terror legislation to stop and search individuals without prior authorisation or reasonable suspicion – setting it apart from other police powers.

Those stopped have no automatic right to legal advice and it is a criminal offence to refuse to co-operate with questioning under schedule 7, which critics say is a curtailment of the right to silence.

Last month the UK government said it would reduce the maximum period of detention to six hours and promised a review of the operation on schedule 7 amid concerns it unfairly targets minority groups and gives individuals fewer legal protections than they would have if detained at a police station.

The government of Brazil issued a statement in which it expressed its "grave concern" over the detention of one of its citizens and the use of anti-terror legislation. It said: "This measure is without justification since it involves an individual against whom there are no charges that can legitimate the use of that legislation. The Brazilian government expects that incidents such as the one that happened to the Brazilian citizen today are not repeated."

Widney Brown, Amnesty International's senior director of international law and policy, said: "It is utterly improbable that David Michael Miranda, a Brazilian national transiting through London, was detained at random, given the role his partner has played in revealing the truth about the unlawful nature of NSA surveillance.

"David's detention was unlawful and inexcusable. He was detained under a law that violates any principle of fairness and his detention shows how the law can be abused for petty, vindictive reasons.

"There is simply no basis for believing that David Michael Miranda presents any threat whatsoever to the UK government. The only possible intent behind this detention was to harass him and his partner, Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, for his role in analysing the data released by Edward Snowden."
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:26 pm


I find that it is unfortunate that nations such as the UK and US respond to the threat of terrorism with violence and a clamp down on freedom instead of responding with peace and understanding.

As for Miranda, I am worried that the UK is following in America's foot steps when it comes to "whistle blowers", but I guess being detained for 9 hours is better than going to prison for 35 years...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:37 am


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I find that it is unfortunate that nations such as the UK and US respond to the threat of terrorism with violence and a clamp down on freedom instead of responding with peace and understanding.

As for Miranda, I am worried that the UK is following in America's foot steps when it comes to "whistle blowers", but I guess being detained for 9 hours is better than going to prison for 35 years...


Seeing how they've had the Terrorist Act since 2000 I think it's too late to see this as a recent development (since freedom has been harmed sistematically in the uk for quite a while now, really). It isn't that the UK is following "America's foot steps" just now, but rather that it has been doing so for a long time now. Personally though, I don't think that peace and understanding would ever be an option for these things or the current system. Either way, it seems that while 9 hours isn't as bad as being sentenced to 35 years, it is just showing that the country could very easily advance to that state if given the chance to.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:00 pm


What other kindd of things have happened in the UK that have harmed people's freedom?

And I think that peace and understanding could very well be an option for an advanced, modern government like the UK's. Daniel Ellsburg was rewarded for releasing classified information about Vietnam in the 70s. Why couldn't something like that happen again today?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:01 am


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What other kindd of things have happened in the UK that have harmed people's freedom?

And I think that peace and understanding could very well be an option for an advanced, modern government like the UK's. Daniel Ellsburg was rewarded for releasing classified information about Vietnam in the 70s. Why couldn't something like that happen again today?


Well, there is a whole lot of events and legal cases that demonstrate just the sheer lack of freedom that people have in the end. One of the ones that I can remember from the top of my head is one involving a protest at Oxford Circus in 2001 (if you're interested I can give you a more complete list with examples). The full result decided by the english House of Lords is this one (linking for the sake of dropping the full thing here. If I had access to my full notes on the subject I'd deconstruct it and quote, but since I don't really have access to them now that'll have to wait for another time). Now, this event alone should demonstrate the lack of freedom people really have. I also think I remember that in the UK a protest can't get within two miles of parliament according to a law. I can't remember exactly which one it is though, so I won't swear on it).

It isn't just a case of being detailed for 9 hours, but also the opposition of the people ruling the system towards doing anything about it. These sort of events really make me doubt the so called 'modernity' that governments as such as the one of the UK (although any European country falls within this category, really). It's easy to say one's government is modern and doesn't commit attrocities, but examining events such as these reveal the true nature and attitude that it has. This leads me to the conclusion that something like what happened in the 70s on that subject would be extremely unlikely to happen again, seeing the direction that things have turned to recently. Rather, such a person would be extradited to another country to be judged or just put in jail in the very UK. It isn't just that de facto conditions have changed, but enough ahs happened so that even the legal ones have done so as well.
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