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now, a problem i notice in both sides of the abortion debate would be equality for women... i honestly don't see it that way- women and men are compltetely equal, they are the same. that is how i see it, with everyone being equal. it's not that i want to force women into anything, nor do i want to "enslave" women, or any of those radically idiotic ideas they manage to develope as a defense mechanism. believeing in equality means that everyone is the same- so, the same laws apply to everyone. could men get pregnant, i would still be pro-life. ya know why? it's not about men or women or sexual activity, it's about the LIFE that exists afterwards which can be, without proper protection, snuffed out. i stand for life- not anti-women, not anti-choice. life is, and always will be, more valuable than the right to destroy it.

Mmm. I think one reason why abortion is leagal is so America can make up for holding back the women from being equal to men.

Women are concidered minorites just like Aferican Americans and such. [Learned this in American Government]I know this might not be a reason, but I have a hunch it is possible.

But I know thats not the entire reason.


I will always be Pro-Life. No matter what would happen to cause me to be pregnant. I do not agree with any type of abortion for any reason.

There are people who have this excuse "I was raped, I cant bare to have the child of that monster...."
But they forget, that the child inside their womb is part of them.

I would rather live without rights then having to have an abortion.
I'd rather live without rights then to not be alive.

that is very sweet- sometimes, i wish i had been born female, then they couldn't call me a hypocrite, sexist, anti-woman, just for my gender. i mean, i like being a guy, and i'm straight, i'm not like, a transvestite, nor do i want to be. i just wish there were a way to get it into their heads that just because i'm mlae doesn't mean that i'm instantly sexist and evil.

There are a few homosexuals out there who are pro-life with that concern in mind.

I have a feeling (and this is just a feeling) that a lot of them are that way primarily because it's part of the "liberal package". It certainly can't be because they're in danger of getting each other pregnant.

Stereotypically those in political power that are pushing for gay rights are also pro-choice. It just comes with the package and with the way system works in the US as things currently stand...we're pretty much forced to vote for "Package A" or "Package B". One of those two will win out no matter who you vote for. Blues are supposed to be Blues and Reds are supposed to be Reds and it just feels like there is criteria that has to be met on both ends. I'm not saying this is right though. This is just an observation on my part.

That's just what it feels like anyway...to me at least. Down the road, I think homosexual pro-lifers will become more common as this is realized as a possible future that will be protected by law if nothing is done about it.

I think it's more of a, "Well, it won't affect me but it will affect women, so it should be up to them," sort of thing. It's taking for granted the non-personhood of the fetus.

If people are suddenly being aborted for being gay, things change. It does affect them and women, because they are being discriminated against as a group. It comes down to a, "Me or them," instead of a "Them or them," when one of the "thems" in the second case has no face you can see, no voice you can hear, and no signs of personhood anywhere outside of the womb. Inside is a different story, but how many people actually see what goes on in the womb?

I think it's the same reason that a lot of men are pro-choice. There are only four reasons to be male and pro-choice, the way I see it.

1. You want free sex without having any children to deal with.
2. You feel it's not your body so it should be a woman's choice.
3. You just don't care.
4. You won't get anyone pregnant so you wouldn't have excercised your reproductive rights anyone; what does losing them matter to you?

This annoys me. Reason 1 is a willingness to sacrifice reproductive rights for sex. It's a perfect paradox, because in being selfish, men accidently go to the other end of the spectrum and give up their rights. Reason 2 makes sense to me; it's willing to sacrifice reproductive rights because you feel you don't have that right to begin with, just like I don't feel I have the right to kill my unborn children. Reason 3, however, makes as much sense as reason 1. "I don't care so I'm going to go with the side that takes my reproductive rights away." Reason 4 is just plain selfish. It's ignoring the rights of men and the rights of the unborn.

A lot of gay men I'm sure fit into the fourth category, but I've known a lot who fit into the second category because they feel persecuted and feel that women are being persecuted by having their choice taken away.

Of course the object of this isn't to take a woman's choice to kill her child away, it's to take the legal choice away. There's a big difference between strapping a woman down until she gives birth and prosecuting abortionists.