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 Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:45 pm
ok....on the subject of Gays...that seems to be a popular subject...and I promise not to throw insults around
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
this....is a clear statement....that it is indeed a sin to be a homosexual....male or female...it is a sin.....
HOWEVER!
it is also a sin...an abomination.....to have sex before marriage...or with multiple partners....or to take advantage of others(scams) ...there are THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of other things....that are sinful but are WIDELY accepted in this world not only that but are encouraged
glorified by our culture.
if a man does not sleep with or objectify women....he is seen as LESS in this world
people point and laugh at those who are virgin. ridicule and hate against them.....
and this is of no real surprise to me....
ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD
and again....even the greatest of sins are but a grain of sand against his mountains of mercy.....
so....in conclusion....is it wrong to be gay?....yes......will it stop you from entering heaven......PFFFF I doubt it.
lol
I say....a man who loves a man more than anything in the world....and bonds himself to him. living a long and happy life...yet still worshiping and accepting God.....has 100000% of a higher chance to enter heaven than someone who sleeps around and claims to be a perfect Christian. if I had to guess on the percentage of people who have sex outside of marriage worldwide...i would say at LEAST 99.999%. as per the percentage of Gays?......you get the point =_=
its really not a noteworthy problem in my eyes
however.....again...""my opinion""
gays should not marry.
marriage was a gift from God to be shared between a man and a woman.
if a gay wants to be married...then he or she can just get a different binding contract...something man made and not somethign given to us by God
but....that is just my opinion
please...tell me what you think.....and eventually I will post up my next two cents
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:51 pm
I agree and have the same viewpoint. I was always told that there is only one unforgivable sin and thats dying and still denying Christ.
I also agree with the different binding contract.
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:54 pm
Subliminal Aftermath I agree and have the same viewpoint. I was always told that there is only one unforgivable sin and thats dying and still denying Christ. I also agree with the different binding contract. yay >w< lol its very hard to find someone who wont see ONLY words from the bible and the word gay, then instantly accuse me of being ignorant.
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 12:00 am
kesuke uchiha Subliminal Aftermath I agree and have the same viewpoint. I was always told that there is only one unforgivable sin and thats dying and still denying Christ. I also agree with the different binding contract. yay >w< lol its very hard to find someone who wont see ONLY words from the bible and the word gay, then instantly accuse me of being ignorant. Well the Bible is also clear about sex being for reproduction and pleasure between man and wife. Not wife and wife or man and man they cant produce offspring that way. Thats what led me to think it was a sin cause it goes against God's design. I'm not going to judge them though people sin we all do it so I have no room to point fingers and talk.
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 12:09 am
exactly ^_^
lol and its kinda funny...I was once told by someone who ...what was it....he wasnt pagan but he had a religion that worshiped nature and the way that nature was intended...and he was attacking my religion and telling me I was wrong because of the subject of gays...lol first he ignored everything I wrote then he stated it....lol
within each sex's reproductive organs is the sensual organs...nature's way of tricking us into reproducing ....lol nature itself says that sex is intended between a man and woman...
lol so even if the person is NOT christian.....its nature as well as God that says this...lol
but meh....off topic....who else agrees on the first post?
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:56 am
Sounds like maybe the guy was a naturalist? Maybe a hedonist?
I respectfully disagree. And I really do apologize if I come off as a preachy little know-it-all. That's not my intention, I'm just trying to be informative and illustrative of my personal understanding. biggrin
First of all, homosexuality and bisexuality are extremely common in animals with complex herd relations (i.e. lions, chimps, dolphins, penguins) and exists in every known species of animal. It is the natural order of things.
Only a few human genders and orientations are popularly known by folks who are straight and cisgendered (the majority). There's way way more to human (and I would assume in other animals as well) sexuality than just straight, gay, male, female. You're not covering all the bases if you talk about it as if it's binary. And what about people who are physically of both sexes? Nearly two percent of babies are born with both male and female genitalia, or some rudimentary form of the other in addition to the one. To my knowledge there is no information in the Bible to tell us how people like this are expected to behave.
Also, human opinion of homosexuality has rocked between good and bad for centuries. Before World War II, Europe was very accepting of homosexuals in their culture. As early as the 1400's, the church blessed and performed a form of same-sex marriage, and it was a pretty common thing.
I'm not trying to say that if it's a part of human nature, then it must be okay by God. Obviously as Christians, we're called to transcend some aspects of human nature. But I'm not convinced that homosexuality (or any degree between gay, straight, or other) is one of those things.
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High-functioning Werewolf
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:03 am
Subliminal Aftermath I agree and have the same viewpoint. I was always told that there is only one unforgivable sin and thats dying and still denying Christ. I also agree with the different binding contract. I thought it was blasphemy against the holy spirit.
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:50 am
kesuke uchiha ok....on the subject of Gays...that seems to be a popular subject...and I promise not to throw insults around Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." this....is a clear statement....that it is indeed a sin to be a homosexual....male or female...it is a sin..... HOWEVER! it is also a sin...an abomination.....to have sex before marriage...or with multiple partners....or to take advantage of others(scams) ...there are THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of other things....that are sinful but are WIDELY accepted in this world not only that but are encouraged glorified by our culture. if a man does not sleep with or objectify women....he is seen as LESS in this world people point and laugh at those who are virgin. ridicule and hate against them..... and this is of no real surprise to me.... ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD and again....even the greatest of sins are but a grain of sand against his mountains of mercy..... so....in conclusion....is it wrong to be gay?....yes......will it stop you from entering heaven......PFFFF I doubt it. lol I say....a man who loves a man more than anything in the world....and bonds himself to him. living a long and happy life...yet still worshiping and accepting God.....has 100000% of a higher chance to enter heaven than someone who sleeps around and claims to be a perfect Christian. if I had to guess on the percentage of people who have sex outside of marriage worldwide...i would say at LEAST 99.999%. as per the percentage of Gays?......you get the point =_= its really not a noteworthy problem in my eyes however.....again...""my opinion"" gays should not marry. marriage was a gift from God to be shared between a man and a woman. if a gay wants to be married...then he or she can just get a different binding contract...something man made and not somethign given to us by God but....that is just my opinion please...tell me what you think.....and eventually I will post up my next two cents Ok. I agree with the whole gays shouldn't be married, but it sounds like your judging. When that part says man should not lay with another man, that means sleeping with and having sex. You thought it meant being gay in general because man with man was in the same sentence. Not all gays are sex abusers. There are those that stay abstinent and promise not to get married. And they sleep in separate beds too. They just do what matters. Love. Sex ain't love. Sex is reproducing or it is lust.
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Alashuko The Fighter Crew
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:47 am
I also believe Gays shouldn't marry or have sex
And I Believe that anyone (Muslim,Jew,or Christian) shouldn't commit adultery by having sex before marriage or with someone who isn't your husband/wife
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:50 am
Sanguina Cruenta Subliminal Aftermath I agree and have the same viewpoint. I was always told that there is only one unforgivable sin and thats dying and still denying Christ. I also agree with the different binding contract. I thought it was blasphemy against the holy spirit. Blasphemy is pretty much saying that God doesn't exist and denying him constantly. If you die and still refuse Christ then there is no way into Heaven.
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:32 pm
Alashuko The Fighter kesuke uchiha ok....on the subject of Gays...that seems to be a popular subject...and I promise not to throw insults around Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." this....is a clear statement....that it is indeed a sin to be a homosexual....male or female...it is a sin..... HOWEVER! it is also a sin...an abomination.....to have sex before marriage...or with multiple partners....or to take advantage of others(scams) ...there are THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of other things....that are sinful but are WIDELY accepted in this world not only that but are encouraged glorified by our culture. if a man does not sleep with or objectify women....he is seen as LESS in this world people point and laugh at those who are virgin. ridicule and hate against them..... and this is of no real surprise to me.... ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD and again....even the greatest of sins are but a grain of sand against his mountains of mercy..... so....in conclusion....is it wrong to be gay?....yes......will it stop you from entering heaven......PFFFF I doubt it. lol I say....a man who loves a man more than anything in the world....and bonds himself to him. living a long and happy life...yet still worshiping and accepting God.....has 100000% of a higher chance to enter heaven than someone who sleeps around and claims to be a perfect Christian. if I had to guess on the percentage of people who have sex outside of marriage worldwide...i would say at LEAST 99.999%. as per the percentage of Gays?......you get the point =_= its really not a noteworthy problem in my eyes however.....again...""my opinion"" gays should not marry. marriage was a gift from God to be shared between a man and a woman. if a gay wants to be married...then he or she can just get a different binding contract...something man made and not somethign given to us by God but....that is just my opinion please...tell me what you think.....and eventually I will post up my next two cents Ok. I agree with the whole gays shouldn't be married, but it sounds like your judging. When that part says man should not lay with another man, that means sleeping with and having sex. You thought it meant being gay in general because man with man was in the same sentence. Not all gays are sex abusers. There are those that stay abstinent and promise not to get married. And they sleep in separate beds too. They just do what matters. Love. Sex ain't love. Sex is reproducing or it is lust. there is no sin in loving a fellow man.....though....I do believe the definition of homosexual....is the sexual part of homosexual... one is not homosexual until he has entercourse with another man. yes...the varying definitions differ...but lets not get off subject...we all know what was meant... and I did not intend on being jugemental.
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:47 pm
kesuke uchiha Alashuko The Fighter kesuke uchiha ok....on the subject of Gays...that seems to be a popular subject...and I promise not to throw insults around Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." this....is a clear statement....that it is indeed a sin to be a homosexual....male or female...it is a sin..... HOWEVER! it is also a sin...an abomination.....to have sex before marriage...or with multiple partners....or to take advantage of others(scams) ...there are THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of other things....that are sinful but are WIDELY accepted in this world not only that but are encouraged glorified by our culture. if a man does not sleep with or objectify women....he is seen as LESS in this world people point and laugh at those who are virgin. ridicule and hate against them..... and this is of no real surprise to me.... ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD and again....even the greatest of sins are but a grain of sand against his mountains of mercy..... so....in conclusion....is it wrong to be gay?....yes......will it stop you from entering heaven......PFFFF I doubt it. lol I say....a man who loves a man more than anything in the world....and bonds himself to him. living a long and happy life...yet still worshiping and accepting God.....has 100000% of a higher chance to enter heaven than someone who sleeps around and claims to be a perfect Christian. if I had to guess on the percentage of people who have sex outside of marriage worldwide...i would say at LEAST 99.999%. as per the percentage of Gays?......you get the point =_= its really not a noteworthy problem in my eyes however.....again...""my opinion"" gays should not marry. marriage was a gift from God to be shared between a man and a woman. if a gay wants to be married...then he or she can just get a different binding contract...something man made and not somethign given to us by God but....that is just my opinion please...tell me what you think.....and eventually I will post up my next two cents Ok. I agree with the whole gays shouldn't be married, but it sounds like your judging. When that part says man should not lay with another man, that means sleeping with and having sex. You thought it meant being gay in general because man with man was in the same sentence. Not all gays are sex abusers. There are those that stay abstinent and promise not to get married. And they sleep in separate beds too. They just do what matters. Love. Sex ain't love. Sex is reproducing or it is lust. there is no sin in loving a fellow man.....though....I do believe the definition of homosexual....is the sexual part of homosexual... one is not homosexual until he has entercourse with another man. yes...the varying definitions differ...but lets not get off subject...we all know what was meant... and I did not intend on being jugemental. So what is the word for homosexuals that don't have sex?
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Alashuko The Fighter Crew
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:54 pm
Alashuko The Fighter kesuke uchiha Alashuko The Fighter kesuke uchiha ok....on the subject of Gays...that seems to be a popular subject...and I promise not to throw insults around Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." this....is a clear statement....that it is indeed a sin to be a homosexual....male or female...it is a sin..... HOWEVER! it is also a sin...an abomination.....to have sex before marriage...or with multiple partners....or to take advantage of others(scams) ...there are THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of other things....that are sinful but are WIDELY accepted in this world not only that but are encouraged glorified by our culture. if a man does not sleep with or objectify women....he is seen as LESS in this world people point and laugh at those who are virgin. ridicule and hate against them..... and this is of no real surprise to me.... ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD and again....even the greatest of sins are but a grain of sand against his mountains of mercy..... so....in conclusion....is it wrong to be gay?....yes......will it stop you from entering heaven......PFFFF I doubt it. lol I say....a man who loves a man more than anything in the world....and bonds himself to him. living a long and happy life...yet still worshiping and accepting God.....has 100000% of a higher chance to enter heaven than someone who sleeps around and claims to be a perfect Christian. if I had to guess on the percentage of people who have sex outside of marriage worldwide...i would say at LEAST 99.999%. as per the percentage of Gays?......you get the point =_= its really not a noteworthy problem in my eyes however.....again...""my opinion"" gays should not marry. marriage was a gift from God to be shared between a man and a woman. if a gay wants to be married...then he or she can just get a different binding contract...something man made and not somethign given to us by God but....that is just my opinion please...tell me what you think.....and eventually I will post up my next two cents Ok. I agree with the whole gays shouldn't be married, but it sounds like your judging. When that part says man should not lay with another man, that means sleeping with and having sex. You thought it meant being gay in general because man with man was in the same sentence. Not all gays are sex abusers. There are those that stay abstinent and promise not to get married. And they sleep in separate beds too. They just do what matters. Love. Sex ain't love. Sex is reproducing or it is lust. there is no sin in loving a fellow man.....though....I do believe the definition of homosexual....is the sexual part of homosexual... one is not homosexual until he has entercourse with another man. yes...the varying definitions differ...but lets not get off subject...we all know what was meant... and I did not intend on being jugemental. So what is the word for homosexuals that don't have sex? .....people...they are not homosexual if they do not have sex they are just people....with homosexual views or feelings
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:55 pm
Khalid Ibn Walid I also believe Gays shouldn't marry or have sex And I Believe that anyone (Muslim,Jew,or Christian) shouldn't commit adultery by having sex before marriage or with someone who isn't your husband/wife ^_^ I like this guy it is good to have good hearted people of other faiths around
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:03 pm
kesuke uchiha .....people...they are not homosexual if they do not have sex they are just people....with homosexual views or feelings So you're not heterosexual until you have sex with a woman? All virgins are just devoid of any sexuality until they engage in some kind of sexual act? Yeah, no. A homosexual who doesn't have sex would be a celibate homosexual. I don't really understand straight people's preoccupation with the private lives of queers. It can be downright unsettling. Surely you have better things to do with your time. And regarding the first post, I disagree. I believe that I have every bit as much of a right to fall in love and express that love as a straight person, and I do not believe that God views such love as an "abomination." I also don't think that I or anyone else, save God, has any right to predict where anyone will be spending eternity. ...man, this is why I don't debate this anymore. And the only reason why I'm doing it now is because I'm in a bad mood and I can't take it out on the person who deserves it and I've already scared everyone out of my flat so I've been left here fuming and alone. I apologise for being so rude, and I just need to walk away and stop posting until I'm in a better mood. I'm going to go vent my frustration on a violent video game or something.
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