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Veldrin the Shadow
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:34 pm


Not too long ago, I was pitched an idea for re-launching WWE:E's old developmental system, UWE. Since many of us here share the opinion that more guilds aren't necessary at the moment, and would continue to spread the community even more thinly than it already is, the idea was to possibly integrate the guild into E:E as a secondary show, being something along the lines of WWE's ECW brand (although it would actually function more along the lines of NXT -and its predecessor, FCW- or OVW).

If this idea is actually implemented, characters who are making their debut in WWE:E (whether their handlers be newbies or longtime members of the community) would find themselves booked on UWE as part of a "new talent initiative", although this doesn't mean that certain new additions to the roster won't also be competing as part of the main roster. Likewise, members of the main roster who are coming back from a lengthy absence may find themselves booked there to work off ring rust before being re-introduced to the WWE:E Universe. Also, some E:E superstars whose performance is somewhat - lacking -, or are plagued by constant disciplinary problems, could potentially be demoted to UWE's roster until they shape up.

With that being said, if UWE is integrated into E:E, it would be run by red_dragon_masta with help from The Number Three, and would have considerable oversight from the entire crew of WWE:E. While I, along with some other crew members, feel that the concept does have merit, at the moment I'm wondering how the rest of you all feel about the idea, and who would be willing to help get the brand off the ground if it is adopted. Feel free to express any questions, comments and/or concerns that are relevant to the topic at hand.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:19 pm


I'm posting this on an account that everyone can see.

Despite my distaste for Angel as a person and a character, I 'do' think this is a good concept to have. This can replace the Expansion in a sense.. Or perhaps do what FWD is going to do and combine them.

Have the main UWE show, and then designate 6 or so people to compete on 'Expansion'.
That would be the only part WWE:E crew (Tim, Major and Three) have any kind of input on.
I am 'not' apart of the main WWE:E crew, I am more or less a creative consultant. Though I help out as needed.

The rest is Angel's show, he books the match and does whatever (Three posts the matches).
This way, you can have your cake and eat it too. Build up new stars, and have a competition out of it.

Now a concern is this, titles.
UWE should have only one main title.
It should be treated as the premier title to the show
(similar to the NXT championship)

Why? E:E already has a lacking tag division.
No need for another set of tag titles.

No need for a mid-card title in a developmental show.
-You're either clammering to win the tag titles from the main show,
-Win the UWE Championship (what it should be called)
-or trying to get noticed (in a good way ) to be on the main show.

Those are your main goals that anyone should have.
Stories, feuds, matches, character development are of course what you need to work on, but your overall goal in should fall within those above three points.


'K.I.S.S"
Keep It Simple Stupid

Meaning any Gimmick matches, that take away from the main shows shouldn't be allowed.
The generic ones like table, ladder, standard cage, hardcore, etc are acceptable
but anything like Ultimate X, Hell in a Cell, Elimination Chamber, etc belongs to the main show.

Why?
Because you want to build up your stars to it. If you constantly put them in matches like hell in a cell, elimination chamber on a developmental show how is the main show going to top it?

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If this idea is actually implemented, characters who are making their debut in WWE:E (whether their handlers be newbies or longtime members of the community) would find themselves booked on UWE as part of a "new talent initiative", although this doesn't mean that certain new additions to the roster won't also be competing as part of the main roster. Likewise, members of the main roster who are coming back from a lengthy absence may find themselves booked there to work off ring rust before being re-introduced to the WWE:E Universe. Also, some E:E superstars whose performance is somewhat - lacking -, or are plagued by constant disciplinary problems, could potentially be demoted to UWE's roster until they shape up.


This was how EEW's Speed was, how it should've been.
Hopefully the mistakes won't be repeated



Provided all of the above points are met, then this can be a good idea
There'd be no complaints from me.
It doesn't need to be exact, however most of the points need to be hit on.
Else it's going to fall flat


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:05 pm


First off I know a lot of people may seem skeptical due to my spotty activity and the fact that I killed Speed but that was 4 years ago, I have been dwelling on my past instead of looking to the future and getting what I promised was a good idea started sooner but given my reputation..I needed to take time to cool some people off about me before I could even mention this idea.

That being said on to the topics because I need some of what you said cleared up.

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UWE should have only one main title.

agreed. The main focus for UWE will be development if some new people into better new people. And I have a few in mind. 3nodding I was not even going to run a tag division when it was in it's own guild, But I will be doing pairings of people that I think would mesh well to see if I can get some people interested in tag team wrestling again, because the tag division is not what it used to be. The UWE Championship will be defended every cycle as I promised in my guild, in a 'win or to the back of the line' format.because as you said, while you can work on feuds the main goal is to win the belt andI want to make sure that everyone that puts in work gets a crack at the belt.

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'K.I.S.S"

I think that was my biggest problem with Speed...that and I wasn't reading what was going on in the threads very much. I won't be using gimmick matches I will instead be giving out 'stipulations' to matches such as maybe someone will have to lock in 5 submission holds during a match or not use a finisher. If they pull it off they get a contender match.

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new talent initiative

I like the idea so long as it does not become people getting sent down for bullshit...I won't be WWE:E doghouse for people who get into it. If they need development that is fine, but UWE should not be punishment for breaking guild rule..that's what there is a discipline procedure for...because people who don't want to be there are just gonna be douchebags, and that would go against the goal of UWE which is always going to be forward progress.


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This was how EEW's Speed was, how it should've been.
Hopefully the mistakes won't be repeated

I want to use my ideas to further this community on a platform where it may actually do some good. And I see guys that need to be given an opportunity to in a sense be on top of the mountain because every great rp'er on Gaia had to make a start somewhere and why not start in a place designed to do nothing else but help you get better.


And I would like to add a few points of my own as well:
One of the big mistakes is that storylines do not really have a place in a developmental show. Developmental shows are for working on defining who you are going to be for the rest of the time that your character resides amoung our ranks. The only person that will be forming any kind of storyline will be the UWE Champion, as he or she as the case may be will not only be defending his/her title every cycle..they will also be expected to promo with their opponent in either a in-ring, backstage, tout format...Champions choice on a week to week basis.

Things that will take place in UWE:
Promo Challenges
where I pick two people who have no reason to beef with one another and put them in a ring to see who of the two possess' better on-the -fly mic skills. Winners will be chosen by polls and move up the Power Rankings. Speaking of...

Power Rankings
Will be the Top 5 from every week, and a few honarable mentions for people on the horizon. Number 1 will always be the UWE Champion at the time, with numbers 2 being the Number 1 contender and so on ad so forth. They will change on a week to week basis based on the amout of effort shown by people and what kind of impact they made during the current cycle. This will be where people in UWE want to be noticed on a weekly basis.

Detailed Show results
And I will not disappoint with this...I might just need a little help with it as it is a lengthy process to make highlight reels. Any vet that is willing to help out in UWE could pull spots as they happened and pm them to me so that I could highlight them and show off what people are doing well. Young rp'er need to know when something they are doing works.

Oh and one thing

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and then designate 6 or so people to compete on 'Expansion'.

instead of this I was thinking that a match from the UWE card be featured on the main show..like in the future when there are guys ready to be called up, let two of them go at it for a spot on the main roster. Win and you go up, lose your stuck for 5 cycles before you get another shot to leave...would make people who came to the main show from UWE appreciate the experience more I think if they had to fight their way out...
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:55 am


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One of the big mistakes is that storylines do not really have a place in a developmental show. Developmental shows are for working on defining who you are going to be for the rest of the time that your character resides amoung our ranks. The only person that will be forming any kind of storyline will be the UWE Champion, as he or she as the case may be will not only be defending his/her title every cycle..they will also be expected to promo with their opponent in either a in-ring, backstage, tout format...Champions choice on a week to week basis.

I disagree. The rankings can form all the stories. Say rank number one gets to challenge the champion. That makes the rankings important and a key point to the show. Someone who is rank 5 must impress to move up through matches and promos. Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

Storylines should always be encouraged. Otherwise it gets boring.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:12 am


Cartwright
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One of the big mistakes is that storylines do not really have a place in a developmental show. Developmental shows are for working on defining who you are going to be for the rest of the time that your character resides amoung our ranks. The only person that will be forming any kind of storyline will be the UWE Champion, as he or she as the case may be will not only be defending his/her title every cycle..they will also be expected to promo with their opponent in either a in-ring, backstage, tout format...Champions choice on a week to week basis.

I disagree. The rankings can form all the stories. Say rank number one gets to challenge the champion. That makes the rankings important and a key point to the show. Someone who is rank 5 must impress to move up through matches and promos. Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

Storylines should always be encouraged. Otherwise it gets boring.
I agree here, Storylines are what drive matches; and people need to learn how to develop their own stories. Not just wrestle better. You could Promo fine, and wrestle good matches every card; but if there's no story to it then it'll be flat.

One of your ideas for UWE was the surprise interference possibility. Well that's an amazing platform for story telling, and building feuds.

In short, stories are as important as promo's and ring work; and often need as much, if not more development.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:17 am


Cartwright
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One of the big mistakes is that storylines do not really have a place in a developmental show. Developmental shows are for working on defining who you are going to be for the rest of the time that your character resides amoung our ranks. The only person that will be forming any kind of storyline will be the UWE Champion, as he or she as the case may be will not only be defending his/her title every cycle..they will also be expected to promo with their opponent in either a in-ring, backstage, tout format...Champions choice on a week to week basis.

I disagree. The rankings can form all the stories. Say rank number one gets to challenge the champion. That makes the rankings important and a key point to the show. Someone who is rank 5 must impress to move up through matches and promos. Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

Storylines should always be encouraged. Otherwise it gets boring.
The thing that killed me when I was running Speed was I would start stories and right in the middle of them people kept getting called up, and it left the other guy with his thumb up his a**. I would not that UWE will have stories...but rivalries. There will be other things that will make UWE enjoyable, like the promo challenges

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Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

I would hope that this would happen anyway..but as far as a long drawn out story I don't see it working as what if someone major in the story gets called up. I don't want storylines to end up holding people back from advancing to the main show...which is going to be my ultimate goal with the guys I am trying to get on board to develop

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:54 am


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One of the big mistakes is that storylines do not really have a place in a developmental show. Developmental shows are for working on defining who you are going to be for the rest of the time that your character resides amoung our ranks. The only person that will be forming any kind of storyline will be the UWE Champion, as he or she as the case may be will not only be defending his/her title every cycle..they will also be expected to promo with their opponent in either a in-ring, backstage, tout format...Champions choice on a week to week basis.

I disagree. The rankings can form all the stories. Say rank number one gets to challenge the champion. That makes the rankings important and a key point to the show. Someone who is rank 5 must impress to move up through matches and promos. Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

Storylines should always be encouraged. Otherwise it gets boring.
I agree here, Storylines are what drive matches; and people need to learn how to develop their own stories. Not just wrestle better. You could Promo fine, and wrestle good matches every card; but if there's no story to it then it'll be flat.

One of your ideas for UWE was the surprise interference possibility. Well that's an amazing platform for story telling, and building feuds.

In short, stories are as important as promo's and ring work; and often need as much, if not more development.

Stories should come first above everything else I reckon! 3nodding

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The thing that killed me when I was running Speed was I would start stories and right in the middle of them people kept getting called up, and it left the other guy with his thumb up his a**. I would not that UWE will have stories...but rivalries. There will be other things that will make UWE enjoyable, like the promo challenges

Well there's a lesson learnt, keep in contact with each other so stories can finish and that situation is avoided!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:03 am


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surprise interference possibility


I forgot to touch on this aspect this entirely...UWE would allow people to interfere in matches WITHOUT having to ask the people in the match for their permission. They will have to go through me for approval..and provide reason for the interference other then 'I just don't like the guy' I would then approve it and they would then be able to jump into the match. This would make people have to think on their feet as they would never know if someone was going to pop up due to this clause.

"This would create a live show feel instead of people having to be like

person 1"Hey can I come out and kick your a** in the middle of your match that you are currently winning to make myself look good"

person 2- "umm no because I'm way too awesome to be beat down in the middle of my match"

Person 1- "okay sweatdrop "


They could come to me and if I liked the idea behind them interupting I would give them the okay to do it.

The only exception to this rule is- It can not be used on developing stories, but people would have to express to me in writing that they did not want people interfering in their story. That way this clause would not squash peoples hard work, as all it is intended to do is serve as a catalyst for rivalries.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:09 am


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Well there's a lesson learnt, keep in contact with each other so stories can finish and that situation is avoided!


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I don't want storylines to end up holding people back from advancing to the main show


My only goal is to get peeps ready for what will be coming in the main show. THAT is where the stories will come into play. I want to develop their mic skills...their in match performance, their selling ect. Work with them on promos and developing short term feuds. But as far as a long drawn out story...if a guy holds the UWE belt for 6 months...he would have a story that went on for that long. The UWE Champion gets to take the show in whatever direction he sees fit for the length of time that he is Champion. He will have the weight of UWE on his shoulders and if he can't stack up..he won't last long as Champ.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:11 pm


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One of the big mistakes is that storylines do not really have a place in a developmental show. Developmental shows are for working on defining who you are going to be for the rest of the time that your character resides amoung our ranks. The only person that will be forming any kind of storyline will be the UWE Champion, as he or she as the case may be will not only be defending his/her title every cycle..they will also be expected to promo with their opponent in either a in-ring, backstage, tout format...Champions choice on a week to week basis.

I disagree. The rankings can form all the stories. Say rank number one gets to challenge the champion. That makes the rankings important and a key point to the show. Someone who is rank 5 must impress to move up through matches and promos. Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

Storylines should always be encouraged. Otherwise it gets boring.
The thing that killed me when I was running Speed was I would start stories and right in the middle of them people kept getting called up, and it left the other guy with his thumb up his a**. I would not that UWE will have stories...but rivalries. There will be other things that will make UWE enjoyable, like the promo challenges

Quote:
Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

I would hope that this would happen anyway..but as far as a long drawn out story I don't see it working as what if someone major in the story gets called up. I don't want storylines to end up holding people back from advancing to the main show...which is going to be my ultimate goal with the guys I am trying to get on board to develop


Getting called up to the main roster shouldn't affect storylines, seeing as how (depending on why they're there) the call-ups would likely be pulling double duty until their stories are complete. If the person in question is there for development or improvement, there would be a probational period attached, hence the double duty until either all storylines that they're involved in are complete and/or crew feels that they are fully ready for the main roster...if they were assigned to UWE to clear up ring rust, they would simply not be called back until any applicable stories are ended.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:47 am


Veldrin the Shadow
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One of the big mistakes is that storylines do not really have a place in a developmental show. Developmental shows are for working on defining who you are going to be for the rest of the time that your character resides amoung our ranks. The only person that will be forming any kind of storyline will be the UWE Champion, as he or she as the case may be will not only be defending his/her title every cycle..they will also be expected to promo with their opponent in either a in-ring, backstage, tout format...Champions choice on a week to week basis.

I disagree. The rankings can form all the stories. Say rank number one gets to challenge the champion. That makes the rankings important and a key point to the show. Someone who is rank 5 must impress to move up through matches and promos. Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

Storylines should always be encouraged. Otherwise it gets boring.
The thing that killed me when I was running Speed was I would start stories and right in the middle of them people kept getting called up, and it left the other guy with his thumb up his a**. I would not that UWE will have stories...but rivalries. There will be other things that will make UWE enjoyable, like the promo challenges

Quote:
Everyone can get involved in the story of wanting to be in the top five and progressing further.

I would hope that this would happen anyway..but as far as a long drawn out story I don't see it working as what if someone major in the story gets called up. I don't want storylines to end up holding people back from advancing to the main show...which is going to be my ultimate goal with the guys I am trying to get on board to develop


Getting called up to the main roster shouldn't affect storylines, seeing as how (depending on why they're there) the call-ups would likely be pulling double duty until their stories are complete. If the person in question is there for development or improvement, there would be a probational period attached, hence the double duty until either all storylines that they're involved in are complete and/or crew feels that they are fully ready for the main roster...if they were assigned to UWE to clear up ring rust, they would simply not be called back until any applicable stories are ended.


Well now that that is cleared up...I'm good 3nodding

But we are going to need talent to get it off it's feet. Vets that are willing to help...I have a few guys I want tp develop, but no one to help with it. Andwe need to put this to a vote to see how the people who are not posting their opinions fell about it...perhaps a poll in the title.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:06 am


Big E Langston is NXT Champion, and AJ Lee's b***h... He does double duty..

So do most of the NXT stars..


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