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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:54 pm
So Awakening is the Sophie's Choice of Fire Emblem, forcing you to make decisions that don't impact the gameplay but that do allow you to provide your own characterization to MU, if only minimally.
You first have to choose between saving Emm or saving the Fire Emblem.
You then have to decide whether or not to allow Lucina to kill you to hypothetically save Chrom.
And you finally have to decide whether to kill Grima yourself - killing yourself in the process, or have Chrom kill Grima, but making Grima's defeat only temporary.
I'm curious as to what people chose and why.
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:13 pm
I chose to save Emm. I'm honestly judging you if you chose to sacrifice her. I just am. I figured she would die anyway no matter what I decided, but that didn't matter. Her life was more important that something that wasn't even fully put together at the time in order to use. What Chrom says in that decision is all anybody needs to hear: MAYBE there will come a day where MAYBE we will need the Fire Emblem, but we need Emm NOW. Even if it was complete, I still wouldn't have sacrificed her. We would have found a different way to do we needed to do or have found a way to get it back. Even Lucina denotes her importance; it's from her death that everything begins to unravel.
For the next option, I told Lucina she could kill me. It seemed more realistic to MU's character and I feel it shows greater strength of character in general in order to see passed fear and sacrifice yourself in order to save another. But of course, the simple knowledge that MU IS the one who kills Chrom is enough to change history, at least according to this game. I am a supporter of being in control of my own fate, but not so much in regards to changing the fates through time travel... things happen for a reason and all that.
And.. I'm definitely killing Grima myself. Slightly judging people who chose otherwise.
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:19 pm
You forgot the choice where you have to say yes or no to butting out on killing Grima. I don't remember who asks this XP. (Edit: This one occurs just before the final battle if I'm remembering correctly, also now that I think about it. The one where you say 'yes' or 'no' to give into Grima)
But anyways.
First one I chose no of course. I would like to attempt to save her even if the situation looks pretty grim.
Lucina. Well this is actually different so I'll give two answers.
As Lucina's Mother= I chose yes, because hey, I'm her mother, I killed her father in the future. If that's the thing stopping my little girl from gaining her happiness then damn straight I'll give my life up just to grant her her happiness.
Non-Mother's choice= I chose no. Cause...let's face it. My little boy is still a little boy XD. I would love to see him grow up into something I can be more proud of and I'm not ready to let that go yet.
Now for the final choice. This is always a no brainer. Course I chose to kill Grima myself. I everybody else's happiness above mine and will gladly sacrifice myeslf just to save them all. Seal Grima back up and let him awaken in another person's time? Like hell I'll do that.
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:25 pm
For Emm, I'm willing to sacrifice Emm. Gangrel is an untrustworthy liar who twists anything he can. So I reason that even if I DID give him the Fire Emblem he'd go back on his word immediately and kill her anyway. Best not to give him anything and try to rescue Emm with the Fire Emblem in your possession. Just have to find another way to solve it, but giving the Fire Emblem away accomplishes nothing.
I also told Lucina she could kill me. As close as MU and Chrom are, I imagine MU would sacrifice himself for Chrom's benefit, so if he suspects Lucina is correct in her prediction, he'd go through with it. MU as a self-insert, I'd probably take that kind of a fall for my dearest friends, also. I've changed my mind on this one. Back off, Luccy.
I also always have to kill Grima myself. I can't imagine not doing so. I did a playthrough where I chose the other option simply to have chosen every option possible, but that was the only reason. Otherwise, I self-sacrifice every time. Far more powerful for the story, what I would choose if it was actually me, and there's the fact that if Grima ever COULD resurge later, you're essentially allowing for a TON of people to die even if it could be defeated later, hypothetically.
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:48 pm
In the game, I usually choose:
1.) No. I just can't sacrifice Emm; it would leave a bitter taste in my mouth... especially after my Avatar just married Lissa. (Other runthroughs were with Chrom and Lon'qu. When Avatar married Chrom, it was the same reason. With Lon'qu, it was because I just felt my Avatar respected her too much to just say "go ahead and kill her, Gangrel." )
2.) Depends on what I'm feeling at that moment. As Lucina's mother, though, I'd always say yes, just because it made sense for a mother Avatar to give up her own life for her daughter and husband's happiness. And Lucina openly says that it would be easier if Avatar didn't resist, so of course a mom would say "go ahead."
3.) Usually I go with killing Grima myself. The only time I would have Chrom kill Grima is if I thought the Avatar believed that another evil would just take Grima's place. Sure, having Chrom kill Grima would doom people in the future to face the Fell Dragon, but isn't it better to face a known enemy instead of something unknown? (My first Avatar decided that there would be disasters either way, so ensuring that that evil would be Grima ensured that there would be a way to defeat him.) But that's the only reasoning for letting Chrom kill Grima instead of killing him myself.
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:03 pm
I chose to save Emm. I agree with what Rath said on the subject, but even aside from that, it was Emmeryn's death that had Lucina freaking out, not the loss of the Emblem at the time. Even if Emmeryn tells you to prioritize the Emblem, she's humble! Darnit of course she'd say that! In addition, she didn't know the things that Lucina apparently knew regarding what happens after her death.
I also told Lucina that she could kill me. Especially after seeing that I could be made to do things against my will, and already with the knowledge that I've killed Chrom in another timeline, I voted for the sacrifice.
I also chose to kill Grima myself. After all that MU has been through, and as the ultimate middle finger to written fate, I feel like MU killing Grima permanently just had to happen. Chrom is the easy way out in more ways that one, and while I'll get the ending once just to say I did and to see it in my own game, I hear it isn't nearly as fulfilling, on top of having the knowledge that Grima will come back. On a more personal note, I love that scene at the end with Chrom and Lissa finding MU in the field. Sure, I kinda wish that MU stayed dead to give the ending more oomph, but I'm a sucker for bookends. And the mark of Grima is gone!
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:50 pm
I chose to save Emm. I am a person who'd do anything to save a friend or family member no matter the cost. That and I know how important Emm wouldve been to the world had she lived.
Secondly, as I play a female MU I married Chrom, so as Lucina's mother, I offered to let her kill me. Of the mu was me, I would have massive guilt knowong I was the one who stole my own daughter's happiness away and to know i supposedly righted the wrong, I'd let her kill me.
And knowing this, I chose to kill Grima myself. If hu destroying my own self, fully knowing my ultimate sacrifice would give the world a more brighter future, I would have no problem doing this.
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:10 pm
I was NOT expecting choices like this to show up, and while I do like that the game does this, I do wish our choices had affected the story more. However, the four choices the game DID give us . . . well, they were all hard choices, and I agonized over all four of them.
I was not expecting the first choice at ALL, and once I was doing flailing and screaming, I chose to save her.I agreed with Chrom: there HAD to be another way to save her and not give up the Fire Emblem.
The second choice had me screaming internally again, but I chose to let Lucina kill me. I was her mother in that file, and I just thought that if my death would make the world a better place, then . . . well, I'd be scared, but . . . I'd die. I'd rather my daughter not be the one to kill me though.
For the third choice, I lied and told Chrom I'd let him kill Grima so he wouldn't worry about me and hopefully wouldn't suspect what I was really going to do. HUSBANDO, YOU SHOULD KNOW YOUR WAIFU BETTER THAN THAT. >[
Finally, for the last choice, I probably stared at the screen for fifteen minutes before I made my decision, and that was for me to deal the final blow. There was no way I was going to let Chrom do the final blow and leave Grima for our descendants to face, not when we had a chance to end this NOW. Even though it would mean my death to ensure a better future for everyone, I was okay with that. And then to see everyone--everyone--wishing for my return, and especially to see the scene at the very end, where Chrom and Lissa find you again (and the mark is GONE!)--that was amazing. I love how that scene bookended the story, and to hear Chrom's line . . . it was worth it, even if that hadn't happened, but that bit just capped everything for me. just hope I didn't lose my memory AGAIN. XD;;
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:16 am
Emm, I wanted you to live. You honestly had inspired me to risk everything just to save your life. Forget that I would have died against an army. I'mma save yer butt! (Killed me when she died and I bawled.)
Lucina. We went through so much on the journey. No, I was not out to marry you. Yet you were still out to get happiness in the end. I applaud you for your goal and...my death will not be in vain.
Sorry Chrom. But this matter is too personal to let you take the kill from me. Just stay in the back and look pretty with everyone else cause it is LEROY JENKINS TIME!
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:28 pm
Gotta agree with Ephy that you forgot about the decision with Grima. >>;
Anyway, for Emm, I choose to save her life. However, in my honest opinion, I feel that the question was mostly toward Chrom than the MU him/herself. Therefore, my decision of whether to sacrifice Emm or not is really mostly Chrom's decision, not the MU. When reading the dialogue between Gangrel and Chrom, you can see that Gangrel was throwing the ultimatum at Chrom, not the MU. In addition. Rath and Ephy gave out the reasons why Emm should be spared. You can see that Chrom choose his sister over anything else (Heck, he even chooses her protection over his people of Ylisse when he was escorted her. >>; ) before reaching Chapter 9. But if Gangrel were to talk to MU and forced the ultimatum, I would still choose saving her because I couldn't see myself sacrificing a friend, even if my mission is really important to protect. And besides, Emm had been a big influence toward not only her people, but in other countries too. So why should I sacrifice someone who made a big impact on everyone?
For allowing Lucina to kill me (and I have a feeling, people may give me a stink eye for that. >>; ), I choose no. Honestly, I WANT to pick yes to let her kill me, but there's a reason why I choose no instead of yes. I choose no because it was not the right time to sacrifice myself. Yes, I understand fully well that what Lucina is doing is from the good of her heart, that she wanted to protect her father and the people, and I wanted to spare her from being suffer by letting her kill me. However, letting her kill me isn't going to solve the CURRENT issue (aka: Valider has the Fire Emblem and ready to resurrect the Fell Dragon.) Lucina is too focus of saving her father from death as the "prediction" was coming closer as well as the doomed future was looming, that she kinda lost focus of what was happening at the moment. And even if I let her kill me WITHOUT Chrom interfered, it's as I said before, it won't solve the current issue they have at the moment. Valider can resurrect the Fell Dragon if I was sacrificed. In addition, I'm Chrom's tactician. Therefore, he needs me to think of a strategy to defeat Aversa and Valider in order to foil the plan (Of course, we didn't know MU already did foil the plan beforehand until AFTER Valider forced MU to "murder" Chrom.) And even if I were to be Lucina's mom, I will still choose no because sacrificing myself is not the right time and we need to focus on the problem one at a time. In other word, if I have the freedom to make my decision in that predicament, this is what I'll say to Lucina: "Lucina, I understand you want to save your father as well as saving the world. But sacrificing me now is not a good time, especially with Valider having the Fire Emblem and ready to resurrect the Fell Dragon. Let's focus on stopping Valider first. After that, THEN I'll let you sacrifice me."
For whether I want to join force with Grima or not, I choose no. Why? Because I fight for my friend. >B( *shot* Hey, it's the truth. D: After all the bonding and fighting along with my friends, why should I abandon my friend over power? Sure, if I join Grima, I can save my friend. But since Grima is "me," I should know fully well what Grima will do, aka: kill my friends after joining. As the famous quote once said, you're worst enemy is yourself. However, I will admit I am curious about Grima!MU. I'll just write this in white:
I'm very curious as to why Grima!MU chooses power over friends. And before you answer, yes, I'm aware that the prequel (the very first prequel) shows us what happened. That the prequel is really the Future!MU and that Valider possessed Future!MU to accept Grima's power. However, that's ONE of the possibilities. Because if the prequel is true, than Grima!MU should be upset in Chapter 23 since A) the resurrection of Fell Dragon was foiled by both Khan Basilio and MU and B) Valider failed to possess MU and died. In fact, Grima!MU wasn't even phase when the plan failed as well as Valider died. Grima!MU was like, "Oh, that's okay. I'm still planning to get Grima resurrected. 8D" To me, it seems that Grima!MU is just as what Valider was: seeing that the plan is still on course and that the fate WILL happen. So yeah.... I'm curious why Grima!MU chooses power over friends. My theory is that perhaps something very tragic causes MU to become emotionally upset. Whether it be someone very close to MU died or something. However, as I said earlier to the prequel, it's ONE of the possibilities. So yeah, I would like to hear the reason from Grima!MU him/herself than having a prequel or a fan's theory explain, >.>;
For who gets to kill Grima, I choose myself. After all, why should we have temporary peace when who knows when Grima will awaken and forces our descendants to fight. If I want my descendants to live in peace without fighting, then I have to make sure that the peace is staying for good. Plus, the MU's ending is WAY better than Chrom's ending. >>;
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:37 am
Concerning whether to sacrifice Emm...
I chose to not sacrifice her. It's revealed in the Avatar's B support with Virion (assuming you're male, not female, though I'm not sure just how different their supports are) that the Avatar is the kind of person to try to keep as many people alive as possible in tactic battles (a variation of chess and/or Risk, maybe?). This is also the Avatar's savior's sister that's got her life on the line. You've got the brilliance to find a way to save her and not lose the Emblem, though you never do get a chance to find a way for both as stuff happens. Still a touching scene.
Concerning whether to let Lucina kill me...
I chose no. I wasn't married to her or her mother so no special lines for me. However, the war's not over. If the Avatar dies, chances are Morgan (and potential additional sibling) would cease to exist in this timeline (maybe? We don't know for certain if all the other children were born yet by this point), and then you're down two tacticians. I'm all up for keeping Chrom alive and if killing Avatar guarantees his survival, them by all means. However, now isn't the right time.
Concerning the first chance on joining Grima shortly after killing Validar...
I chose no. Why? Because Grima's NOT ME!!!! -cue Persona 4's I'll Face Myself -Battle- in the background- Well, that and he's not the slightest bit trustworthy. There wasn't any guarantee he wasn't going to kill everyone the moment after I joined forces with him. Besides, my girl and my kids are on this side. Family versus "me"? Hah. I'll stick with the family and kill my Shadow anytime.
Concerning the promise to not sacrifice myself...
I chose no. Sorry Chrom. We're bros, but if my death can prevent the Future of Despair, I'd take it. We're pretty much at the final stages of the war. All that's really left is killing a bigass dragon and making sure the army doesn't run around like headless chickens and getting themselves killed. Well, that and "Sis" is in the way so we gotta get rid of her too.
Concerning Grima's second attempt to recruit me...
I chose no. Haha, suck on that, buttface dragon.
Concerning who deals the final blow...
I chose myself. Because ******** yeah I'm gonna hog ALL the glory. Well, that and noble sacrifice and bring peace to our descendants seems like a cool story too, since if we didn't permanently kill off Grima, I highly doubt those descendants of ours would be quite as OP as the current army.
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 3:13 pm
 They belong to the Cosmos...  I'm a Thinker; I could break it down. I'm a Shooter- trust me, baby. As we jump out, feel it in the Will. Will you come now, Peacefully with me? _________________________________________________________________________How I handled this: First Run: I don't play blind, so whatever. Sacrifice Emmeryn: No. (Saying yes here is just downright wrong. This is outside the fact that the whole operation was handled with as much tactical know how as Operation Ouka (which is to say, stupid as hell).... (RESCUE STAVES WHERE? Oh look, Rescue Staff Tutorial on Ch 8. Where the hell were they when they would ruin Gangrel and Aversa's plan?)) Accept Lucina's Judgment: Yes. (I married her, so I knew she would break down...) Join Grima (Either time): No. Promise not sacrifice self: Coin Flip, heads: Yes, tails: No. It landed heads. Let Chrom deal the Final Blow: Stinger ruins this choice-- which is the only choice in the game to have any meaning, but it's far too onesided thanks to that stinger. No. (Thanks to stinger. Without that stinger, it would be a hands down yes from me-- I was once asked, would I allow a close friend to die if it would save the lives of countless others, I instantly responded "No.", and it goes the same for me- call it noble or whatever, but a sacrifice is still...) Runs after that: The three in between "Zweilitz" and Squad Symphonia: No on everything. " Lloyd" or " Squad Symphonia"'s run: Ok, never matter the fact that I was OP as hell. (Got to Ch4. Sold some derpy Renown awards. Got enough gold to buy Sigurd. Got to Ch5. Grinded Golden Gaffe (using Sigurd) to get Ike. Used more Spotpass Units to get to 110,700 gold and got " Colette", repeated, got " Genis"... then " Raine", " Sheena", " Zelos", " Presea", " Regal", " Kratos", and then ultimately " Mithos... so I had 9 LB capped units with tons of skills right off the bat. Didn't take long for Lloyd to catch up. (Paragon is OP. Paragon/Veteran is more so.) ... But being Lloyd, I decide to pick like Lloyd (Irving, not Reed, obviously) would: Sacrifice Anyone (Emm, Self): No. Willingly Die: No. Let that Dragon win: Oh hell no. That final decision on the Lloyd run is the only time where I actually thought about it. Lloyd wouldn't sacrifice himself, obviously-- no, he'd let Chrom seal away Grima. Would he let Grima come back? No again. He's the kind of guy who would go hunting for a way to stop that ****er from coming back. (Although, the first and foremost way... isn't something Lloyd would opt for.) _________________________________________________________________________ Did you think that this Love would last you forever? Now, as all your thinking is Over...! Out of space, where someone's Waiting there... The sounds of Children, playing in the Fallout..!
Above the Pain!
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:39 pm
No! I won't sacrifice Emmeryn! Here, have the Embl- oh (BEEP) she jumped anyway. Way to go, Emm... Oh wait we get her later anyway. No big then. Sacrificing Emmeryn would just be morally wrong. Even if it means giving that dastard (who we also recruit later) the FIRE EMBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Erm, ahem. Anyway.
As for my wife pointing a sword at me, she can kill me if she wants. Honestly, if it saves Chrom's life and the future I'd much rather die by her hand than some brigand or something. Wonder how she'll break the news to Morgan... Oh wait, she didn't kill me anyway.
Chrom, sorry but I won't promise anything. I'll kill Grima myself, to save the world future turmoil. That option also doesn't really matter.
Submit to Grima? Pffffft. Nah I'm good. Oh you're taking me anyway. Great. I WON'T BECOME YOU! Make me kill my wife and my daughter and my friends... I refuse! Not that it matters.
Now finally we come to the decision that actually matters (since all the others, the same thing happens no matter what you do). Kill Grima? Of course. Lemme charge my weird purple/black sphere magic thing of epicness and kill you with it!!! And then say a touching one-liner to my friends before I fade. May we meet again, in a better life...
In all seriousness though, I loved how you could choose what you wanted to do on these games, as well as talking to the Einherjar cards (if I spelled that correctly). Of course I'd kill Grima, I have to protect the future of the generations that will come. Let them live in prosperity... Until some war breaks out again and a mad kind wants bring the dragons back after the main character's father saved his life when he was a child. Er, wrong game. ^^
That is all.
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:26 pm
Seems I'm the only one willing to 'sacrifice' Emm. I prefer to see it as being the only one who refuses to give Gangrel further leverage when you know he lies through his teeth and would almost assuredly attempt to kill her regardless of what you gave him. And I welcome your judgment. cool
Having played the game a number of times more since my last post, most of my decisions remain the same but I've since decided Lucina ought not be allowed to kill me. This IS a fun choice to play with when you're her mother or her husband, though.
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:48 pm
Manic Martini Seems I'm the only one willing to 'sacrifice' Emm. I prefer to see it as being the only one who refuses to give Gangrel further leverage when you know he lies through his teeth and would almost assuredly attempt to kill her regardless of what you gave him. And I welcome your judgment. cool Having played the game a number of times more since my last post, most of my decisions remain the same but I've since decided Lucina ought not be allowed to kill me. This IS a fun choice to play with when you're her mother or her husband, though. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from with that. He would almost certainly kill her even if you gave him the Fire Emblem, however most people (including me) see it as trying everything you can to keep Emmeryn from dying. I've played through the game several times as well, so I've seen all the choices and there's almost no difference either way so I don't suppose it matters all that much. It's fun to play around with it to see the reactions and results though. Lol.
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