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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:47 am


With all the public shootings that are going on, gun control has become a huge topic. What is your stance on the topic?


As most of you know, I live in the great state of Texas. We have the most relax gun laws of the whole country. I'm against gun control laws myself due to a lot of reasons. Everyone here has a hunting knife in their pocket, frankly I'd rather have a gun in a knife fight than be unarmed. With the things that have been foretold to come a gun will be much needed to protect one's family. Also the United States won it's independence by have armed civilians, most of our army then consisted of minute men. Thus proving the most important arsenal is an armed population.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:04 am


It would not surprise me if the incident was a "false flag operation", an atrocity committed just to have an excuse to change gun control policy. Personally, I would rather flee than shoot someone. If someone breaks into my house and I'm the only one there, consider the house empty because I'm not attacking anybody. Even still, I wouldn't say limit gun control. Guns aren't the problem; blood-thirsty, power-hungry people are.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:12 am


I'm really on the fence about this issue. In general, I'm against laws that limit people's freedoms, and if someone wants to own firearms for hunting or sport shooting, or for protection, I don't find anything inherently wrong with that.

But then I look at some statistics regarding gun violence and gun death, and find it hard to ignore the fact that countries with very strict gun control have vastly lower gun-related deaths and injuries.

Over here in Europe, guns are also much less a part of our culture than in the States (or at least that's my impression).

So I'm really not sure. We can all agree that things like school shootings are terrible, but are stricter gun control laws the answer? Maybe. If not that, then what is the answer? I don't know.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:27 pm


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It would not surprise me if the incident was a "false flag operation", an atrocity committed just to have an excuse to change gun control policy. Personally, I would rather flee than shoot someone. If someone breaks into my house and I'm the only one there, consider the house empty because I'm not attacking anybody. Even still, I wouldn't say limit gun control. Guns aren't the problem; blood-thirsty, power-hungry people are.

That is an extremely offensive thing to say! Children died and you are saying it was a planned conspiracy theory! It was caused by a mentally installed person that did get the help that he should have. What you have said is an insult to the lives that were lost that day.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:34 pm


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It would not surprise me if the incident was a "false flag operation", an atrocity committed just to have an excuse to change gun control policy. Personally, I would rather flee than shoot someone. If someone breaks into my house and I'm the only one there, consider the house empty because I'm not attacking anybody. Even still, I wouldn't say limit gun control. Guns aren't the problem; blood-thirsty, power-hungry people are.

That is an extremely offensive thing to say! Children died and you are saying it was a planned conspiracy theory! It was caused by a mentally installed person that did get the help that he should have. What you have said is an insult to the lives that were lost that day.


People kill to stay in power all the time. Do you think they'll have mercy on children just because they're children? No. You should be offended that people like this exist, not that somebody noticed the possibility of a false flag operation. Or is "black ops" the more accurate term? Either way it is a deceptive lie with real victims. I'm questioning the motive, not whether it had innocent victims.

edit: by "innocent victims" I'm also including the mentally-ill shooter; who knows whether he was manipulated by drugs, or lack thereof, plus mind control in order to shoot people up.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:49 pm


I dont know if this has been adressed but...really...I think guns should be allowed for everyone after a short backround check and mental evaluation....I could fill up seven pages of stuffs on this subject...but sufficive to say...I think a lot of stuff that no one else thinks should be ok

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:13 pm


There are so many different opinions out there.

I personally think a law making owning a gun illegal wont change much, yeah its against the law to commit murder, drunk driving, rape, ect. but obviously people still do all those things! Criminals don't follow the law, why would they care about a new law?

But I do think that more extensive background checks need to be done when someone goes to purchase a gun.
As well as more people being tested for mental illness, there have been so many cases where in a shooting the shooter was found mentally ill. While those people are in the wrong I think that we as a country could do more to help them.
But I could be totally wrong, and that is okay. It is just what I think.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:23 am


emorhconom esor
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It would not surprise me if the incident was a "false flag operation", an atrocity committed just to have an excuse to change gun control policy. Personally, I would rather flee than shoot someone. If someone breaks into my house and I'm the only one there, consider the house empty because I'm not attacking anybody. Even still, I wouldn't say limit gun control. Guns aren't the problem; blood-thirsty, power-hungry people are.

That is an extremely offensive thing to say! Children died and you are saying it was a planned conspiracy theory! It was caused by a mentally installed person that did get the help that he should have. What you have said is an insult to the lives that were lost that day.
I don't really see how Real Eyes's statement is offensive or insulting to the victims. She's not justifying what happened, just stating an opinion on a possible motive.

Personally, I'm not really one to jump on board with most conspiracy theories, but I also don't see how they're insulting the victims.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:30 am


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There are so many different opinions out there.

I personally think a law making owning a gun illegal wont change much, yeah its against the law to commit murder, drunk driving, rape, ect. but obviously people still do all those things! Criminals don't follow the law, why would they care about a new law?

But I do think that more extensive background checks need to be done when someone goes to purchase a gun.
As well as more people being tested for mental illness, there have been so many cases where in a shooting the shooter was found mentally ill. While those people are in the wrong I think that we as a country could do more to help them.
But I could be totally wrong, and that is okay. It is just what I think.
The main problem I see with having more extensive background checks (I don't think it's a bad idea, I just see one obvious hole in that plan) is that it would still be easy enough for a mentally unstable person to get ahold of a gun that belonged to someone else who did legitimately pass a rigorous background check, like a friend or family member.

I guess that's what scares me the most about guns being legal at all: no matter how rigorous and in-depth the requirements to obtain a gun may be, there's very little getting in the way of a person who shouldn't have a gun getting ahold of one from someone who obtained it legally.

Of course, I'd imagine that most responsible gun owners keep their guns under lock and key, but still.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:57 pm


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There are so many different opinions out there.

I personally think a law making owning a gun illegal wont change much, yeah its against the law to commit murder, drunk driving, rape, ect. but obviously people still do all those things! Criminals don't follow the law, why would they care about a new law?

But I do think that more extensive background checks need to be done when someone goes to purchase a gun.
As well as more people being tested for mental illness, there have been so many cases where in a shooting the shooter was found mentally ill. While those people are in the wrong I think that we as a country could do more to help them.
But I could be totally wrong, and that is okay. It is just what I think.
The main problem I see with having more extensive background checks (I don't think it's a bad idea, I just see one obvious hole in that plan) is that it would still be easy enough for a mentally unstable person to get ahold of a gun that belonged to someone else who did legitimately pass a rigorous background check, like a friend or family member.

I guess that's what scares me the most about guns being legal at all: no matter how rigorous and in-depth the requirements to obtain a gun may be, there's very little getting in the way of a person who shouldn't have a gun getting ahold of one from someone who obtained it legally.

Of course, I'd imagine that most responsible gun owners keep their guns under lock and key, but still.


You are completely correct. And it would be up to the individual owner to be responsible in the keeping of their firearms. And sadly responsibility is very lacking right now.

In addition more children need to be informed on the proper care and use of a firearm. Parents think that if they just don't talk to their children about guns they wont be a problem. But I would rather have a child/teen who knows how to use a gun, the dangers, and with a healthy fear of them then one who doesn't and uses them irresponsibly and dangerously .

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:21 am


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There are so many different opinions out there.

I personally think a law making owning a gun illegal wont change much, yeah its against the law to commit murder, drunk driving, rape, ect. but obviously people still do all those things! Criminals don't follow the law, why would they care about a new law?

But I do think that more extensive background checks need to be done when someone goes to purchase a gun.
As well as more people being tested for mental illness, there have been so many cases where in a shooting the shooter was found mentally ill. While those people are in the wrong I think that we as a country could do more to help them.
But I could be totally wrong, and that is okay. It is just what I think.
The main problem I see with having more extensive background checks (I don't think it's a bad idea, I just see one obvious hole in that plan) is that it would still be easy enough for a mentally unstable person to get ahold of a gun that belonged to someone else who did legitimately pass a rigorous background check, like a friend or family member.

I guess that's what scares me the most about guns being legal at all: no matter how rigorous and in-depth the requirements to obtain a gun may be, there's very little getting in the way of a person who shouldn't have a gun getting ahold of one from someone who obtained it legally.

Of course, I'd imagine that most responsible gun owners keep their guns under lock and key, but still.


You are completely correct. And it would be up to the individual owner to be responsible in the keeping of their firearms. And sadly responsibility is very lacking right now.

In addition more children need to be informed on the proper care and use of a firearm. Parents think that if they just don't talk to their children about guns they wont be a problem. But I would rather have a child/teen who knows how to use a gun, the dangers, and with a healthy fear of them then one who doesn't and uses them irresponsibly and dangerously .
I would certainly want any my children to grow up knowing how serious guns are and that they're not toys, though I can't honestly say I find it terribly important if they grow up knowing how to use one.

Of course, realistically given where I live, no child of mine would be likely to even come across a gun, whether on purpose or on accident, so that's just not a real fear for me.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:53 am


Texas, being the great state that it is, is pushing a state law that will allow trained school personnel to carry firearms on their person while on school property.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:36 am


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Texas, being the great state that it is, is pushing a state law that will allow trained school personnel to carry firearms on their person while on school property.
That sounds like such a bad idea. I thought the goal was to keep guns out of schools, not purposefully bring them in.

I would not feel safe sending my child to a school where anybody is allowed to carry a gun. As a general rule, I think guns should be kept as far away from children, and especially schools, as possible. (With the exception of hunting/sport shooting at an appropriate age with very strict, responsible adult supervision.)

My father collected antique weapons and taught me how to fire a few of his pieces. We just shot at targets. It was fun, but me and my siblings did NOT have access to ANY of his weapons without his supervision, and any firearms were stored unloaded, under lock and key. We were taught that they weren't toys and to never, ever point a loaded gun at a human being.

Come to think of it, I'm not actually sure how legal firing those guns were, as gun control is much stricter in Europe, but whatever. The point is, children should not be anywhere near guns unless they're being supervised by a responsible adult, and I think allowing guns in schools, even in the hands of trained personnel, is a disaster waiting to happen.

"Let's solve the problem of gun violence with more guns!" is, honestly, the kind of thing someone over here would say in jest to poke fun at the stereotypical American attitude towards firearms. The fact that it's not a joke is fairly terrifying to me.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:49 pm


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Texas, being the great state that it is, is pushing a state law that will allow trained school personnel to carry firearms on their person while on school property.
That sounds like such a bad idea. I thought the goal was to keep guns out of schools, not purposefully bring them in.

I would not feel safe sending my child to a school where anybody is allowed to carry a gun. As a general rule, I think guns should be kept as far away from children, and especially schools, as possible. (With the exception of hunting/sport shooting at an appropriate age with very strict, responsible adult supervision.)

My father collected antique weapons and taught me how to fire a few of his pieces. We just shot at targets. It was fun, but me and my siblings did NOT have access to ANY of his weapons without his supervision, and any firearms were stored unloaded, under lock and key. We were taught that they weren't toys and to never, ever point a loaded gun at a human being.

Come to think of it, I'm not actually sure how legal firing those guns were, as gun control is much stricter in Europe, but whatever. The point is, children should not be anywhere near guns unless they're being supervised by a responsible adult, and I think allowing guns in schools, even in the hands of trained personnel, is a disaster waiting to happen.

"Let's solve the problem of gun violence with more guns!" is, honestly, the kind of thing someone over here would say in jest to poke fun at the stereotypical American attitude towards firearms. The fact that it's not a joke is fairly terrifying to me.

We already have cops in each school that carry guns. Yet my high school has over 6,000 students in it and only 3 cops in it. Though goverment facilities are gun free zones, Texas state law allows cops to keep their firearms on their person. Now tell me how just 3 cops are going to protect 6,000 students if a gang desides the school is a free for all ground to get their rivals? They would shoot up the place and only have 3 cops that can defend all those students. Plus, this is Texas, if someone tries to take away our guns there will be a revolt.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:48 pm


I honestly think gun laws in the US are too lenient. Fortunately, here in Massachusetts. our gun laws are pretty strict, so any old schmuck can't just buy a gun at the store, however, when I've been to Wal-Marts in NH they had a weaponry isle--which seemed like a really foreign thing to me. I could be a terrorist or mentally unstable and in other parts of the country they won't even check for any of that? Ridiculous.Gun laws should be stricter. The shooting could have been prevented if there were more restrictions on guns.
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