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 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:57 pm
...while similar incidents that paralleled that one have gone largely unnoticed? I just feel like looking at the bigger picture here will help contribute to the solution, instead of focusing on this particular crime. To me at least, America as a society is being American-centric in their--our--way of thinking. We're seemingly blind to what's going everywhere except for within our country.
Maybe every once in a while, there will be an article in the Time magazine about, for example, Muslim women whose noses are cut off after they try to flee from their abusive husbands, but there isn't any abundance of statuses on facebook and topics on gaiaonline about it. In fact, one site even noted that there are no hard numbers for this particular crime, because not enough people have bothered to address the problem. There may be other news channels dedicated to that sort of stuff, but the fact that people are buzzing more about crimes like these that happen within our nation instead of worldwide is evidence that we really don't particularly care about what's going on in other parts of the world. The existence of organizations/shows/whatever to advocate support for these things doesn't necessarily mean that they are receiving the same amount of attention as things that are happening within America.
edit: not trying to say that what's going on in the world is more important than things that happen within America--the two should be of equal importance.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:04 pm
As much as I don't like women or men being abused in other countries, I also suspect the American media/politicians tend to primarily focus on issues in foreign countries when they want to cover up on their own issues.  In general it's not as much 'bout how much you care 'bout the other countries, but what can be done to fix the issues. If you got major issues trying to fix similar issues in your own country, don't think you can easily fix the issues in other countries.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:26 pm
I thought about the children.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:26 pm
Gakre As much as I don't like women or men being abused in other countries, I also suspect the American media/politicians tend to primarily focus on issues in foreign countries when they want to cover up on their own issues. In general it's not as much 'bout how much you care 'bout the other countries, but what can be done to fix the issues. If you got major issues trying to fix similar issues in your own country, don't think you can easily fix the issues in other countries. But what I don't really understand is the difference between dealing with problems within our country and dealing with problems outside our country. I think that the level of one's caring/acknowledgement about a given incident has a lot to do with whether or not they decide to take action. During the Rwanda genocide, for example, the US was capable of assisting but chose not to because it "did not see its interests affected enough to launch unilateral intervention". Currently, although our economy is going through somewhat of an economic crisis, it's still ranked #1 under "the world's largest economies 2012" with a GDP of $14.6 trillion, so we seem to have the ability to solve--or at least begin to solve--a lot of these problems that are going on within and outside our country. For the most part, it appears to be a lack of initiative. edit: just to add on to what I said in my first sentence: the real problem concerns the world as a whole, not just America because of similar incidents that occur around the world. Even though certains areas are culturally, economically, and politically distinct from each other, I think of the entire world itself as a "society", because it all boils down to the fact that we are all humans. And the problem addresses a quality that all humans can exhibit. Although political, cultural, and economic issues can often serve as an obstacle towards solving this humanistic problem, I don't see it as a reason to limit the attention to within our boundaries.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:38 pm
You forgot the part where they cut off women's clits for lulz and other-men protection. The people in this world are dicks, you just have to choose the ones you deem pleasurable.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:50 pm
So are these noseless women running around anywhere we can do anything about it?
'Cause while I'm all for unifying the entire world under one government(with the appropriate measures to keep said government honest) that can actually solve all of these problems...
There's not really anything an American can do to prevent something from happening overseas. Unless of course it was a viable option to get the US Military to put the rest of the world under marshal law.
It really isn't.
We can, however, do something about our own gun situation. Affix the oxygen device to your own face before assisting nearby children.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:04 pm
You cannot help people that hate you.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:06 pm
Divine_Malevolence So are these noseless women running around anywhere we can do anything about it? 'Cause while I'm all for unifying the entire world under one government(with the appropriate measures to keep said government honest) that can actually solve all of these problems... There's not really anything an American can do to prevent something from happening overseas. Unless of course it was a viable option to get the US Military to put the rest of the world under marshal law. It really isn't. We can, however, do something about our own gun situation. Affix the oxygen device to your own face before assisting nearby children. Yea, while I agree that it'd probably be near impossible to get something like that to happen, there aren't many people who seem to be acknowledging it to begin with in America as a whole. I think the lack of motivation to solve these kinds of problems also plays a role in the absence of action. The US can't solve all the world's problems, but our unified acknowledgement of said issues will most likely have the most influence on the world than most other countries simply because of our prestige. And as ridiculous as it probably sounds, I think there is something that can be done about it, or at the very least, conditions around the world can be vastly improved if people started to consciously recognize the problem and begin to take action against it. It's just unfortunate that there are way more bystanders than upstanders, but it's just something that we can work on little by little.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:08 pm
CH0Z0 You cannot help people that hate you. But if a lot of us stopped hating them, relations would improve. Society is characterizing all Muslims as "terrorists", which gives them a reason to hate us.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:19 pm
Escther Divine_Malevolence So are these noseless women running around anywhere we can do anything about it? 'Cause while I'm all for unifying the entire world under one government(with the appropriate measures to keep said government honest) that can actually solve all of these problems... There's not really anything an American can do to prevent something from happening overseas. Unless of course it was a viable option to get the US Military to put the rest of the world under marshal law. It really isn't. We can, however, do something about our own gun situation. Affix the oxygen device to your own face before assisting nearby children. Yea, while I agree that it'd probably be near impossible to get something like that to happen, there aren't many people who seem to be acknowledging it to begin with in America as a whole. I think the lack of motivation to solve these kinds of problems also plays a role in the absence of action. The US can't solve all the world's problems, but our unified acknowledgement of said issues will most likely have the most influence on the world than most other countries simply because of our prestige. And as ridiculous as it probably sounds, I think there is something that can be done about it, or at the very least, conditions around the world can be vastly improved if people started to consciously recognize the problem and begin to take action against it. It's just unfortunate that there are way more bystanders than upstanders, but it's just something that we can work on little by little. I don't much think the Muslim world would care in the slightest if we were to take notice, quite honestly. And if we were to try an interfere.... Well, lets just say quite a few are more than simply hostile. A lot of the hatred for America comes from it overstepping its boundaries.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:31 pm
Divine_Malevolence Escther Divine_Malevolence So are these noseless women running around anywhere we can do anything about it? 'Cause while I'm all for unifying the entire world under one government(with the appropriate measures to keep said government honest) that can actually solve all of these problems... There's not really anything an American can do to prevent something from happening overseas. Unless of course it was a viable option to get the US Military to put the rest of the world under marshal law. It really isn't. We can, however, do something about our own gun situation. Affix the oxygen device to your own face before assisting nearby children. Yea, while I agree that it'd probably be near impossible to get something like that to happen, there aren't many people who seem to be acknowledging it to begin with in America as a whole. I think the lack of motivation to solve these kinds of problems also plays a role in the absence of action. The US can't solve all the world's problems, but our unified acknowledgement of said issues will most likely have the most influence on the world than most other countries simply because of our prestige. And as ridiculous as it probably sounds, I think there is something that can be done about it, or at the very least, conditions around the world can be vastly improved if people started to consciously recognize the problem and begin to take action against it. It's just unfortunate that there are way more bystanders than upstanders, but it's just something that we can work on little by little. I don't much think the Muslim world would care in the slightest if we were to take notice, quite honestly. And if we were to try an interfere.... Well, lets just say quite a few are more than simply hostile. A lot of the hatred for America comes from it overstepping its boundaries. I think that most of that hatred, though, is understandable, because we overstep our boundaries for the wrong reasons--going to war with Iraq for oil, for example. The hostility isn't one-sided, though. We're still experiencing subtle (but existing) social problems; white people > blacks, all Muslims = terrorists, women being viewed as 'objects'
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:51 pm
Escther Divine_Malevolence Escther Divine_Malevolence So are these noseless women running around anywhere we can do anything about it? 'Cause while I'm all for unifying the entire world under one government(with the appropriate measures to keep said government honest) that can actually solve all of these problems... There's not really anything an American can do to prevent something from happening overseas. Unless of course it was a viable option to get the US Military to put the rest of the world under marshal law. It really isn't. We can, however, do something about our own gun situation. Affix the oxygen device to your own face before assisting nearby children. Yea, while I agree that it'd probably be near impossible to get something like that to happen, there aren't many people who seem to be acknowledging it to begin with in America as a whole. I think the lack of motivation to solve these kinds of problems also plays a role in the absence of action. The US can't solve all the world's problems, but our unified acknowledgement of said issues will most likely have the most influence on the world than most other countries simply because of our prestige. And as ridiculous as it probably sounds, I think there is something that can be done about it, or at the very least, conditions around the world can be vastly improved if people started to consciously recognize the problem and begin to take action against it. It's just unfortunate that there are way more bystanders than upstanders, but it's just something that we can work on little by little. I don't much think the Muslim world would care in the slightest if we were to take notice, quite honestly. And if we were to try an interfere.... Well, lets just say quite a few are more than simply hostile. A lot of the hatred for America comes from it overstepping its boundaries. I think that most of that hatred, though, is understandable, because we overstep our boundaries for the wrong reasons--going to war with Iraq for oil, for example. The hostility isn't one-sided, though. We're still experiencing subtle (but existing) social problems; white people > blacks, all Muslims = terrorists, women being viewed as 'objects' Which are among the things we do have to deal with.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:03 pm
Divine_Malevolence Escther Divine_Malevolence Escther Divine_Malevolence So are these noseless women running around anywhere we can do anything about it? 'Cause while I'm all for unifying the entire world under one government(with the appropriate measures to keep said government honest) that can actually solve all of these problems... There's not really anything an American can do to prevent something from happening overseas. Unless of course it was a viable option to get the US Military to put the rest of the world under marshal law. It really isn't. We can, however, do something about our own gun situation. Affix the oxygen device to your own face before assisting nearby children. Yea, while I agree that it'd probably be near impossible to get something like that to happen, there aren't many people who seem to be acknowledging it to begin with in America as a whole. I think the lack of motivation to solve these kinds of problems also plays a role in the absence of action. The US can't solve all the world's problems, but our unified acknowledgement of said issues will most likely have the most influence on the world than most other countries simply because of our prestige. And as ridiculous as it probably sounds, I think there is something that can be done about it, or at the very least, conditions around the world can be vastly improved if people started to consciously recognize the problem and begin to take action against it. It's just unfortunate that there are way more bystanders than upstanders, but it's just something that we can work on little by little. I don't much think the Muslim world would care in the slightest if we were to take notice, quite honestly. And if we were to try an interfere.... Well, lets just say quite a few are more than simply hostile. A lot of the hatred for America comes from it overstepping its boundaries. I think that most of that hatred, though, is understandable, because we overstep our boundaries for the wrong reasons--going to war with Iraq for oil, for example. The hostility isn't one-sided, though. We're still experiencing subtle (but existing) social problems; white people > blacks, all Muslims = terrorists, women being viewed as 'objects' Which are among the things we do have to deal with. Those problems, too, can be solved, which in turn will positively impact our willingness to support issues outside of our country. The whole whites > blacks mindset is currently in the process of being resolved; it started with the abolishment of slavery, and continues to this day. The problem may exist, but its level of intensity has sharply diminished over the duration of about a century and a half. If larger scale problems are addressed in a similar way, perhaps the effects will be similar.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:08 pm
Escther Those problems, too, can be solved, which in turn will positively impact our willingness to support issues outside of our country. The whole whites > blacks mindset is currently in the process of being resolved; it started with the abolishment of slavery, and continues to this day. The problem may exist, but its level of intensity has sharply diminished over the duration of about a century and a half. If larger scale problems are addressed in a similar way, perhaps the effects will be similar. Yes. But we have to solve them first.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:20 pm
Divine_Malevolence Escther Those problems, too, can be solved, which in turn will positively impact our willingness to support issues outside of our country. The whole whites > blacks mindset is currently in the process of being resolved; it started with the abolishment of slavery, and continues to this day. The problem may exist, but its level of intensity has sharply diminished over the duration of about a century and a half. If larger scale problems are addressed in a similar way, perhaps the effects will be similar. Yes. But we have to solve them first. Very true, but racial/gender-related issues aren't entirely responsible for people's lack of initiative. Taking the same Rwanda situation, the administration refused to refer to the genocide as a genocide, afraid that that particular term "would generate public opinion which would demand some sort of action and they didn't want to act". So while the US is battling inner social conflicts, it is still possible to begin to make a difference outside our boundaries. They were afraid that the publicity would eventually drive them to take action, but because people were unaware of what was going on outside of the US, there wasn't enough support to assist. Thus people's lack of knowledge about Rwanda didn't concern race. We simply didn't bother to pay attention to what was happening outside of the US.
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