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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:35 am
I've played DA2 like 30 times in the past two weeks. I recently just got into DA (kinda late I know XD). I've done everything possible for the ending (even though there is really only two unless you count each time you romanced someone and they said that they didn't leave your side for a time)
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Anders is a character that has pretty much changed the entire worlds views on mages and created a war against them and the Templars.
Now I am a huge supporter in Anders decision to destroy the Chantry and killing everyone inside. I was wondering how everyone else felt about it.
Just so I can avoid everyone debating me in this I am going to explain why I am for his decision. Note this only involves Kirkwalls circle and not anywhere else.
I believe that the Chantry itself allowed the Templars to go far. In the history we learn about mages how they are looked at fearfully and forcefully taken away from their families and sent to circles to protect themselves from others. Though I do not oppose the fact that mages are indeed dangerous and should be watched. They also are people and should have the choice.
If powers are found at a young age the parents should be allowed the choice the give their child to the circle or not. If they chose not to place a templar in the village that mage is in to watch the mage as it grows if it's powers become to powerful and is uncontrollable destroy the child.(Meaning the parents say no a templar is placed in the town and a phylactery is created from the child's blood and placed around the templars neck.)
Now for KirkWall..Both the Templars and Mages are completely out of control. Both sides are wrong in their purpose. Meredith and Orsino both have failed in their titles of power over both the Templars and the Mages.
The Grand Cleric the only reason I believe that Anders attacked her and not Meredith. 1. If Bioware simply destroyed Meredith or Orsino the change that is suppose to happen wouldn't have. 2. She sat back while things seriously out more and more out of hand instead of seeking help when help was offered to her. Leaving your flock and protecting your life are two seriously different things. I understand not wanting to abandon the place you swore to protect, but standing aside while a possessed Templar and a secret blood mage ensue a war between each other is not protecting your flock.
Peace is not obtained without chaos. Anders just happen to have Justice inside of him a power strong enough to give him the strength to do what he did. I believed he had every right to see the destruction he caused to the ones he protected.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:29 am
I don't support Ander's decision.
Yet i did not kill him and do not plan to in the future.
I can understand people who told him to go away though....
There is a difference between disagreeing and killing a friend *sigh* even if he made a mistake.
It's not that i think the mages are treated right etc.
I and my characters are really on the mage's side.
Yet i don't like the way Anders wants to fix it.
Both sides were a pain in DA2.
A few times i could understand the templars for wanting to lock down all mages and i and my warden and champion are the pro-mages ones here -.-
and like if the situation wasn't bad enough Anders just made it worse and an open-conflict and caused many people to die on both sides and not only.
I really liked Anders and Justice in Awakening.
In DA2... they started to scare me. I don't really like their change here.
I would want to have a way of calming them down a little and do it all differently >.<"
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:56 pm
The only reason why I believe in Anders so much and why I allowed him to fight beside me was for him to witness the chaos and pain he caused and not the glorified victory he thought he was going to received for ending the Grand Cleric's life.
I never played mages in DA1 until I got DA2 and found out the relationship between the Hawke's and Amell's. After that all of my characters have been mages.
Both sides in KirkWall were a utter mess and there was no real way to clean it up without eliminating the problem well problems. Both Orsino and Meredith failed those they sowre to protect. Orsino turning to Blood magic and scarifying his students to become an abomination. Meredith allowed a idol to cloud her judgement on mages oppressing them into a rebellion against her.
Anders did what really had to be done..I mean he could have just destroyed the Templar hall with Meredith Orsino the Templars and some mages. Which would have lead to the Grand Cleric stepping up instead of standing down like she had been.
Anders saw the Grand Cleric as weak. She did not do her job as a Grand Cleric in protecting both Mages and Templars. She allowed things to get that out of hand where both Mages and Tempalrs were left without choices on what do to.
I have always said that the Chantry's laws are to forceful against mages. Though they maybe dangerous and some can not handle the power they have and deserve to be made tranquil,but when a Templar creates a plot to turn every mage in the city Tranquil even though denied the right they still continued and I'm sure the Grand Cleric saw the rising numbers of Tranquil. I do not believe that the Chantry is placed to protect the mages from others, I believe it is a unjustified pursuit for power over the mages.
Blood magic is both very serious and not serious of a matter when it comes to mages. I can willingly admit if I were in any of those mages shoes in KirkWall and suffered that greatly at the hands of tempalrs my entire life I would turn to blood magic,but only use it in a serious threatening matter.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:56 am
For my Warrior playthrough: I killed Anders. I was pretty anti-mage for this run through myself. Sided with the Templars. Demons and such spawning on you tends to have this effect.
For my Rogue runthrough: Spared Anders, just cause because I was playing as a female and romanced him. Sided with mages, because my sister was one. Family matters y'know?
For my Mage playthrough: Spared Anders, why? Cause the Grand Cleric was indeed useless. Quite surprised that Anders blew up the Chantry with what is essentially magic poop though. Knight Commander Meredith was one crazy B****. Hell I used blood magic myself mwhahaha!! What could possibly go wrong with that? Go demons, fetch me a sandwich. Also Hawke was intended to be mage in the first place judging by the original trailers and box art.
Anyways, I still believed that blowing up the Chantry was a stupid thing to do. Although he may have started the rebellion for the mages he also turned public opinion against him. If mages weren't dangerous enough before they made themselves enemies of the people by blowing up a Chantry. But whatever, this rebellion thing is much more interesting. Also enough mage/templar bickering, bring out all the dragons already. (Or at least bring out dragon-like creatures)
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:36 am
I haven't done Warrior or rogue yet..To addicted to the many things you can do with a mage. FORCE MAGIC SAY WHAT?!?! XD
Yeah the only prblem with the family ties in that game is your family hates you either way. Like they start with rivalry and not in the middle like the rest of the characters. Carver is a b***h and I treated him like a**. I also hated how they were like
BAM OGRE DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF SOMETHING?!?!?! -cough-King Calian-cough-
Soo original.
The reason why there isn't as many Dragons as we would like in the gma eis because every 99th year of an age (each age being 100 years) the Chantry( I think) thinks of a name this time it happened to be the Age of the Dragon. Then I think in 9:15 the High Dragon we fought in frost back mountains took out an entire army and that is why the village of heaven is the only place near the mountains.
It's perfectly logical for them not to have that many dragons in the past the Nevarran's released an order to destroy every dragon. That is another reason why there is so few in both of the DA's
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:09 am
Ok I get why people side with mages but personally I sided with the Knight Commander. Yes it's a lose/lose situation when it comes to who you side with cuz let's face it there both bonkers and for good reason. If you talk to the knight commander, you find out why she is all "DIE MAGES DIE". As for the first enchanter well I guess you can sum that up to stress and being pushed around idk I don't talk to him much I have only sided with the mages maybe once or twice. I wish the templar's would do things differently when it comes to mage children but as cruel as it seems it is for their safety and the safety to those around them or as the saying goes its "a necessary evil". As for anders well I kill him nine times out of ten I mean I get why he destroyed the chantry but I just think it was a bit much I mean I think blowing up the gallows would have ended in the same result idk.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:25 am
Meredith is psycho power hungry because of the Idol. And Orsino is just over whelmed with all the stress from Meredith's power hungry greedy ways.
It's not fair to the Mages in the least bit. Now if Templars were chosen and taken from their families and raised in the Chantry to become Templars then it would be fair. There are plenty of mages through out DA that are not corrupted and only wish for power.
Anders did what he said. He took away the only way peace could be solved. Now if I said Anders didn't do it someone else would have done something similar. KirkWall had the Divine herself watching to see if the Templars were going to lose control. If Anders would have stayed with the wardens he wouldn't have blown up the Chantry,but someone else would have pushed for that rebellion it is not entirely his fault he's just the one who made it start that way.
There wouldn't have been a game other then Hawke playing errand boy if they simply took out the problem. Destroying the Chantry is destroying the Heart of the Templars.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:34 am
Vampire Aine Meredith is psycho power hungry because of the Idol. And Orsino is just over whelmed with all the stress from Meredith's power hungry greedy ways.
It's not fair to the Mages in the least bit. Now if Templars were chosen and taken from their families and raised in the Chantry to become Templars then it would be fair. There are plenty of mages through out DA that are not corrupted and only wish for power.
Anders did what he said. He took away the only way peace could be solved. Now if I said Anders didn't do it someone else would have done something similar. KirkWall had the Divine herself watching to see if the Templars were going to lose control. If Anders would have stayed with the wardens he wouldn't have blown up the Chantry,but someone else would have pushed for that rebellion it is not entirely his fault he's just the one who made it start that way.
There wouldn't have been a game other then Hawke playing errand boy if they simply took out the problem. Destroying the Chantry is destroying the Heart of the Templars. I see what you mean. I don't hate Anders and I agree if he didn't blow up the chantry someone else would have done something just as bad if not worse. I would have to agree with him when he said there was no compromise and that the circle failed. No its not fair that good mages have to suffer for the sins of the crazy blood mages but I guess it better safe then sorry. I talked to my fiance about this and he agreed with me but also said that if they treated it more like college and let the kids and everyone else go see there families and there families come see them it wouldn't be so bad and maybe just maybe you would not have mages going crazy and resorting to blood magic and summoning demons. If they changed the Circle into more of a school and less like a prison maybe it would have been better. What do you think?
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:31 pm
ButterFlyCross89 Vampire Aine Meredith is psycho power hungry because of the Idol. And Orsino is just over whelmed with all the stress from Meredith's power hungry greedy ways.
It's not fair to the Mages in the least bit. Now if Templars were chosen and taken from their families and raised in the Chantry to become Templars then it would be fair. There are plenty of mages through out DA that are not corrupted and only wish for power.
Anders did what he said. He took away the only way peace could be solved. Now if I said Anders didn't do it someone else would have done something similar. KirkWall had the Divine herself watching to see if the Templars were going to lose control. If Anders would have stayed with the wardens he wouldn't have blown up the Chantry,but someone else would have pushed for that rebellion it is not entirely his fault he's just the one who made it start that way.
There wouldn't have been a game other then Hawke playing errand boy if they simply took out the problem. Destroying the Chantry is destroying the Heart of the Templars. I see what you mean. I don't hate Anders and I agree if he didn't blow up the chantry someone else would have done something just as bad if not worse. I would have to agree with him when he said there was no compromise and that the circle failed. No its not fair that good mages have to suffer for the sins of the crazy blood mages but I guess it better safe then sorry. I talked to my fiance about this and he agreed with me but also said that if they treated it more like college and let the kids and everyone else go see there families and there families come see them it wouldn't be so bad and maybe just maybe you would not have mages going crazy and resorting to blood magic and summoning demons. If they changed the Circle into more of a school and less like a prison maybe it would have been better. What do you think?
Only reason why I don't agree with the circle becoming schools. Is The Chantry controls the world pretty much. The Chantry fears for another Imperium, They don't want to lose what little control they have over mages. The secret reason why they hold mages the way they do is a just encase Tevinter decides to march to war against the Chantry, So they can fight magic with magic.
I have always said if every circle was located like the one in Ferelden they could make it more village like,but strictly only allow Mages and Templars live there (First enchanter and Knight-Commander living there as well). It would better the control over mages also allow them to feel the sun on their skin. Though Kirkwall's circle is different I don't like to reference that one since it was used for slaves.
Ferelden's didn't allow mages outside which if you imprison someone and strip them of their lives then tell them they will never feel the sunlight again I'm sure a few people would get upset. That's why I go with the village idea.For every mage inside the village is a Templar guarding them.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:06 pm
Vampire Aine ButterFlyCross89 Vampire Aine Meredith is psycho power hungry because of the Idol. And Orsino is just over whelmed with all the stress from Meredith's power hungry greedy ways.
It's not fair to the Mages in the least bit. Now if Templars were chosen and taken from their families and raised in the Chantry to become Templars then it would be fair. There are plenty of mages through out DA that are not corrupted and only wish for power.
Anders did what he said. He took away the only way peace could be solved. Now if I said Anders didn't do it someone else would have done something similar. KirkWall had the Divine herself watching to see if the Templars were going to lose control. If Anders would have stayed with the wardens he wouldn't have blown up the Chantry,but someone else would have pushed for that rebellion it is not entirely his fault he's just the one who made it start that way.
There wouldn't have been a game other then Hawke playing errand boy if they simply took out the problem. Destroying the Chantry is destroying the Heart of the Templars. I see what you mean. I don't hate Anders and I agree if he didn't blow up the chantry someone else would have done something just as bad if not worse. I would have to agree with him when he said there was no compromise and that the circle failed. No its not fair that good mages have to suffer for the sins of the crazy blood mages but I guess it better safe then sorry. I talked to my fiance about this and he agreed with me but also said that if they treated it more like college and let the kids and everyone else go see there families and there families come see them it wouldn't be so bad and maybe just maybe you would not have mages going crazy and resorting to blood magic and summoning demons. If they changed the Circle into more of a school and less like a prison maybe it would have been better. What do you think?
Only reason why I don't agree with the circle becoming schools. Is The Chantry controls the world pretty much. The Chantry fears for another Imperium, They don't want to lose what little control they have over mages. The secret reason why they hold mages the way they do is a just encase Tevinter decides to march to war against the Chantry, So they can fight magic with magic.
I have always said if every circle was located like the one in Ferelden they could make it more village like,but strictly only allow Mages and Templars live there (First enchanter and Knight-Commander living there as well). It would better the control over mages also allow them to feel the sun on their skin. Though Kirkwall's circle is different I don't like to reference that one since it was used for slaves.
Ferelden's didn't allow mages outside which if you imprison someone and strip them of their lives then tell them they will never feel the sunlight again I'm sure a few people would get upset. That's why I go with the village idea.For every mage inside the village is a Templar guarding them. A war between the Chantry and Tevinter could be an interesting idea for DA3, seeing as how the Chantry is divided due to rebellion. The Tevinters could easily exploit this and use it to their advantage. Also the darkspawn will probably pop up again somewhere just to make things more intense
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:46 am
AdvanceEX Vampire Aine ButterFlyCross89 Vampire Aine Meredith is psycho power hungry because of the Idol. And Orsino is just over whelmed with all the stress from Meredith's power hungry greedy ways.
It's not fair to the Mages in the least bit. Now if Templars were chosen and taken from their families and raised in the Chantry to become Templars then it would be fair. There are plenty of mages through out DA that are not corrupted and only wish for power.
Anders did what he said. He took away the only way peace could be solved. Now if I said Anders didn't do it someone else would have done something similar. KirkWall had the Divine herself watching to see if the Templars were going to lose control. If Anders would have stayed with the wardens he wouldn't have blown up the Chantry,but someone else would have pushed for that rebellion it is not entirely his fault he's just the one who made it start that way.
There wouldn't have been a game other then Hawke playing errand boy if they simply took out the problem. Destroying the Chantry is destroying the Heart of the Templars. I see what you mean. I don't hate Anders and I agree if he didn't blow up the chantry someone else would have done something just as bad if not worse. I would have to agree with him when he said there was no compromise and that the circle failed. No its not fair that good mages have to suffer for the sins of the crazy blood mages but I guess it better safe then sorry. I talked to my fiance about this and he agreed with me but also said that if they treated it more like college and let the kids and everyone else go see there families and there families come see them it wouldn't be so bad and maybe just maybe you would not have mages going crazy and resorting to blood magic and summoning demons. If they changed the Circle into more of a school and less like a prison maybe it would have been better. What do you think?
Only reason why I don't agree with the circle becoming schools. Is The Chantry controls the world pretty much. The Chantry fears for another Imperium, They don't want to lose what little control they have over mages. The secret reason why they hold mages the way they do is a just encase Tevinter decides to march to war against the Chantry, So they can fight magic with magic.
I have always said if every circle was located like the one in Ferelden they could make it more village like,but strictly only allow Mages and Templars live there (First enchanter and Knight-Commander living there as well). It would better the control over mages also allow them to feel the sun on their skin. Though Kirkwall's circle is different I don't like to reference that one since it was used for slaves.
Ferelden's didn't allow mages outside which if you imprison someone and strip them of their lives then tell them they will never feel the sunlight again I'm sure a few people would get upset. That's why I go with the village idea.For every mage inside the village is a Templar guarding them. A war between the Chantry and Tevinter could be an interesting idea for DA3, seeing as how the Chantry is divided due to rebellion. The Tevinters could easily exploit this and use it to their advantage. Also the darkspawn will probably pop up again somewhere just to make things more intense
Never know with those darkspawn.
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