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 Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:07 pm
I have to ask, and it is probably going to be one of those questions no one answers.... Why is Spirit day only for bullying that has been targeted against the LGBT community? I mean, it has been around since the dawn of time, yet the only ones that get any recognition for it is LGBT people. All sides have had/have people who committed suicide because of the act of bullying No offense to them, but what makes them so special, that they get a special day... and the straight or asexual people don't?
Edit: I am probably going to get yelled at for this...
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:39 pm
The majority of the human population is heterosexual. Asexual is actually not even really considered, I've had to explain it to everyone I've told about that so far. I myself am naturally asexual, but I was raised to be heterosexual and so actually learned to be that way. For the longest time I just thought something was wrong with me...
Anyways, because of the majority being heterosexual they don't need a support group. Asexual isn't even big enough to be known about and those that are asexual simply don't care. LGBT, however, is a large population who wants to be acknowledged and accepted. So, naturally, they have a large support group that actually includes heterosexual people who want them to know that it is ok to be how they are. Because of this a special day to honor those who died as a result of being non-hetero was probably requested and by its supporters it was enforced.
When I went to school spirit day wasn't about anything like that. It was a day of "raising school spirit" and support for ball games. Naturally, I never participated. I'm not a sports fan.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:46 pm
Are you perhaps talking about Silence day? but anyways I agree with Kilo.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:55 pm
probably because of the amount of lgbt people who have killed themselves because of how crappy peoploe make them feel. or the lgbt people who have been killed for being the way they are.
when i was in highschool spirit day was just for school spirit though. i wish we had a few lgbt friendly events or clubs at my school when i was there
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:43 pm
As everyone else has been saying, because there is more often heterosexual support than there is support for members of the LGBTI community. There's still a lot of prejudices against this community so support may be extremely limited, not well known, or simply non-existent in some areas.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:24 pm
African Americans and Native Americans were killed, or commited suicide for being what they was. Yet, only one of them get a "special" month.... Jews were killed for being themselves. There are thousands of other examples that don't get any special attention. I am not in school, well not anymore. What I was referring to is.... http://www.facebook.com/events/346748445415310/
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:33 pm
Southern Cross Nemesis African Americans and Native Americans were killed, or commited suicide for being what they was. Yet, only one of them get a "special" month.... Jews were killed for being themselves. There are thousands of other examples that don't get any special attention. I am not in school, well not anymore. What I was referring to is.... http://www.facebook.com/events/346748445415310/ Unless you live in certain parts of the Carolinas, Florida, New York, or Arizona...Maybe the Dakota's there probably will never be a jump for Native Americans to be treated with any respect to their culture. Look at what Scott Brown's aides did in response to his opponent. To the topic at hand, I was never aware of such a day. Although I think, in time, people will realize that bullying is bad for everyone and there is not a special day needed for whatever group. By bullying i mean continual picking on, not a one time event. I am only mentioning this because I see people throwing the word bully around just as much as they do harassment for a one time incident that may not actually have been anything more than a school yard fight.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:12 pm
Southern Cross Nemesis African Americans and Native Americans were killed, or commited suicide for being what they was. Yet, only one of them get a "special" month.... Jews were killed for being themselves. There are thousands of other examples that don't get any special attention. I am not in school, well not anymore. What I was referring to is.... http://www.facebook.com/events/346748445415310/ African Americans have their month, as you said, and I don't really know much for the Jews, but they didn't die for being Jewish here so far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate having gaps in what history I know). As for the Native Americans, being Tlingit and having asked many other Native Americans about their thoughts on the matter most of us seem to believe the same thing. Why does it matter? We don't need a special day to know good people were lost. Those of us who care will remember them every day and particularly during ceremonies that honor the dead. We don't need a special day to mourn them and some of us don't want one, we prefer to consider every day that special day.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:25 pm
I should just drop this, as I am probably going to come off wrong...
Look, I know, I shouldn't care. But, in all of my life. I have found that those who place importants on something bad(those who CHOOSE to commit suicide, or those who were killed for ignorance/greed/etc), tends to only cause the pain to linger longer than it is needed for healing.
Placing importance on anything, such as giving it a special day/month, only serves to drive a split in that and everything else.
Taking President's day, originally it was two days, celebrating the birth of Washington and Lincoln(sp?, pretty bad I can't spell his name...) And now those two are of a handful of presidents people can remember.
I am not saying, don't teach about it... just don't give it an importance. Yes, it is sad that people choose to end their lives or was killed. Yes, it is sad that people are bullied constantly. But, placing importance on to it, is like placing a statue for the people who caused it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:32 pm
Southern Cross Nemesis I should just drop this, as I am probably going to come off wrong... Look, I know, I shouldn't care. But, in all of my life. I have found that those who place importants on something bad(those who CHOOSE to commit suicide, or those who were killed for ignorance/greed/etc), tends to only cause the pain to linger longer than it is needed for healing. Placing importance on anything, such as giving it a special day/month, only serves to drive a split in that and everything else. Taking President's day, originally it was two days, celebrating the birth of Washington and Lincoln(sp?, pretty bad I can't spell his name...) And now those two are of a handful of presidents people can remember. I am not saying, don't teach about it... just don't give it an importance. Yes, it is sad that people choose to end their lives or was killed. Yes, it is sad that people are bullied constantly. But, placing importance on to it, is like placing a statue for the people who caused it. Aside from the "statue for people who caused it" part, I believe that is the mindset of most Native Americans. It happened, its done, remember those who lost their lives, but otherwise just let it go. There's no point in letting the past damage the future. On the contrary, we should use the past to improve our future. Perhaps honoring those who died is a way of attempting to stop it from happening again, thus improving the future.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:20 am
Southern Cross Nemesis I should just drop this, as I am probably going to come off wrong... Look, I know, I shouldn't care. But, in all of my life. I have found that those who place importants on something bad(those who CHOOSE to commit suicide, or those who were killed for ignorance/greed/etc), tends to only cause the pain to linger longer than it is needed for healing. Placing importance on anything, such as giving it a special day/month, only serves to drive a split in that and everything else. Taking President's day, originally it was two days, celebrating the birth of Washington and Lincoln(sp?, pretty bad I can't spell his name...) And now those two are of a handful of presidents people can remember. I am not saying, don't teach about it... just don't give it an importance. Yes, it is sad that people choose to end their lives or was killed. Yes, it is sad that people are bullied constantly. But, placing importance on to it, is like placing a statue for the people who caused it. personaly i find it nice to know that im not alone and that not everyone hates me for what i am. its nice knowing that i shouldnt have to live in fear of people finding out i like women. gay rights is a huge issue right now so of course you are going to be hearing about it often. also manay minority groups get special treatment. there are quite a few scholarships for people just because their skin is a bit more brown
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:31 pm
Quote: also manay minority groups get special treatment. there are quite a few scholarships for people just because their skin is a bit more brown Not to get it twisted, that "special treatment" is basic equality. There were no colleges accepting those belonging to minority groups and the few that did were not exactly welcoming them with open arms. There was much antagonism in American society against any non-caucasian, non-protestant person. And this "special treatment" wasn't given, it was taken. Black churches established themselves as schools for higher learning for those of African decent. There are plenty of Rabbinical schools as wells that opened for Jews (though they were accepting to anyone since it would help dispel the ethnically insensitive myths and stereotypes rampant in the media about them). Let's be honest, it wasn't the white christians who improved the lives of these people, it was the people themselves. Quote: African Americans and Native Americans were killed, or commited suicide for being what they was. Yet, only one of them get a "special" month.... Jews were killed for being themselves. There are thousands of other examples that don't get any special attention. Black History month is for rememberance of the emancipation of black slaves accomplishments that blacks in America made over the course of history. It didn't begin out of white guilt or any nonsense like that. It started because young black college kids wanted to commemorate something positive about their heritage. They didn't want to be seen just as "descendants of slaves" or victims in need of the public's charity. It also helped the black pride movement in the 60's and 70's. There's some misinformation in this post eek But in any case, it says something about the state of society, if we need actual dates and days to remember how to treat people. Seriously the whole "God hates gays" signs that some people hold...smh...Who was it again, the bride or Christ who reaps the Earth? I don't participate in any such things. Things of the age, imo. Ow, and to whoever said...something....Jews did die for being Jewish in the holocaust. They also died for being jewish during roman rule after Constantine made it catholic, and they were slaughtered in the middle east during the birth of Islam when they refused to convert. But let's end on a happy note. Bullying is wrong no matter who you are, and who you are is human. If anyone is being dehumanized it's the bully, doing that to himself, because he is stooping so low as to oppress its own kind.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:32 pm
Gjornia X Ow, and to whoever said...something....Jews did die for being Jewish in the holocaust. They also died for being jewish during roman rule after Constantine made it catholic, and they were slaughtered in the middle east during the birth of Islam when they refused to convert. I looked back and I might have missed it, but the only comment I could find was my own. To clarify I said, "I don't really know much for the Jews (referring to a special day of remembering the deceased), but they didn't die for being Jewish here (North America) so far as I know." I was referring only to the United States and Canada. I know they've had problems elsewhere with persecution and I know that has led to death in a number of situations, including the holocaust, but that was in Europe. Gjornia X But let's end on a happy note. Bullying is wrong no matter who you are, and who you are is human. If anyone is being dehumanized it's the bully, doing that to himself, because he is stooping so low as to oppress its own kind. Well said. Bullying, regardless of who is to blame or who is being victimized, is wrong.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:02 am
Gjornia X Quote: also manay minority groups get special treatment. there are quite a few scholarships for people just because their skin is a bit more brown Not to get it twisted, that "special treatment" is basic equality. There were no colleges accepting those belonging to minority groups and the few that did were not exactly welcoming them with open arms. There was much antagonism in American society against any non-caucasian, non-protestant person. And this "special treatment" wasn't given, it was taken. Black churches established themselves as schools for higher learning for those of African decent. There are plenty of Rabbinical schools as wells that opened for Jews (though they were accepting to anyone since it would help dispel the ethnically insensitive myths and stereotypes rampant in the media about them). Let's be honest, it wasn't the white christians who improved the lives of these people, it was the people themselves. i probably could have worded that a bit differently, but the point still stand. every race, every gender, and pretty much nearly every group of people gets special treatment one way or another. i just dont view it as that bit of a deal besides, if we have more of these days, months or whatever that are for lgb community stuff then maybe i can stop seeing so many signs saying god hates fags
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:15 am
Shanna66 Gjornia X Quote: also manay minority groups get special treatment. there are quite a few scholarships for people just because their skin is a bit more brown Not to get it twisted, that "special treatment" is basic equality. There were no colleges accepting those belonging to minority groups and the few that did were not exactly welcoming them with open arms. There was much antagonism in American society against any non-caucasian, non-protestant person. And this "special treatment" wasn't given, it was taken. Black churches established themselves as schools for higher learning for those of African decent. There are plenty of Rabbinical schools as wells that opened for Jews (though they were accepting to anyone since it would help dispel the ethnically insensitive myths and stereotypes rampant in the media about them). Let's be honest, it wasn't the white christians who improved the lives of these people, it was the people themselves. i probably could have worded that a bit differently, but the point still stand. every race, every gender, and pretty much nearly every group of people gets special treatment one way or another. i just dont view it as that bit of a deal besides, if we have more of these days, months or whatever that are for lgb community stuff then maybe i can stop seeing so many signs saying god hates fags Every group that has been wronged by a majority in the past seems to get some special privileged benefits relating to whatever the most damage was in. For Native Americans, our main concern was mostly medical. We had our tribal knowledge and we were content with that, but our health suffered. Now Native Americans who can prove their heritage can get free healthcare if they know where to go. Our homes were also lost, now we have reservations upon which we can live and in some cases we'll even be paid just to be there. Personally, I think it's a good thing. It seems less like a racist problem and more like the majority basically saying "We did this, this was wrong, so here is how we're going to try to make it better." Yes, in many cases those that had their liberties attacked stood up and brought about change for themselves, but the majority had to choose to accept that and help it become widespread. If the minorities had been solely and only responsible for their improvements then we would only see those improvements in places where minorities exist, but these benefits have become federal for the most part and cover every state.
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