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 Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:42 am
Hey all,
I didn't see any thread that was specifically on the autobiography other than people thought it was confusing. sweatdrop So...I thought I'd open up one for discussion. Anyone care to share their theories?
I actually also had a question about the Autobiography. In the chapter that's a bunch of ripped out quotes from books. Is there Sebald Code in the section that's bookended by two Edgar Allan Poe quotes that have "ringing" in them. I tried it, but came out with jibberish...perhaps I'm counting the words incorrectly.
With all due respect,
RS
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:24 pm
No, I don't think there is anything embedded in the Poe poems. I checked too. I think he was just alluding that VFD has been around since Poe. Since it is actually a poem written by Poe, it is unlikely that there is actually a coded message in there, so I don't think we messed up, I think we're just looking for something that isn't there. Maybe that poem was what inspired Sebald to use ringing as a signal for his code...?
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:40 pm
Mara Mylenne Maybe that poem was what inspired Sebald to use ringing as a signal for his code...? That's defenitely possible, Snicket does make a Poe reference somewhere else in the series.. And given his darker writing style, I bet he's a fan.
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:52 pm
Cool. All right...yeah and he said Shakespeare was an associate of his too. ^_^;
What did people think of Poe's sister in the UA? Seemed suspicious...or at least easily manipulated.
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:22 pm
rurouni_starchild Cool. All right...yeah and he said Shakespeare was an associate of his too. ^_^; What did people think of Poe's sister in the UA? Seemed suspicious...or at least easily manipulated. Yeah, I raised my eyebrow at that, too. Signed, O
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:03 pm
Maybe Poe's sister is in VFD? I was just thinking back to that transcript of their lunch conversation and the VFD waiter kept waiting for the "sad occasion" response.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:35 pm
rurouni_starchild Maybe Poe's sister is in VFD? I was just thinking back to that transcript of their lunch conversation and the VFD waiter kept waiting for the "sad occasion" response. That was a very ammusing conversation, indeed. One of my favourite parts of the book, reading wise.
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:17 am
1inaBILLION rurouni_starchild Maybe Poe's sister is in VFD? I was just thinking back to that transcript of their lunch conversation and the VFD waiter kept waiting for the "sad occasion" response. That was a very ammusing conversation, indeed. One of my favourite parts of the book, reading wise. Yeah, it was amusing, wasn't it. ^_^;;
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:34 am
I think the part of the book that interests me most is the transcript of a VFD meeting, where all the names are given only as the first letter of their name. I've spent a long time trying to identify everybody, but I think that's immpossible without Book the Thirteenth.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:24 pm
1inaBILLION I think the part of the book that interests me most is the transcript of a VFD meeting, where all the names are given only as the first letter of their name. I've spent a long time trying to identify everybody, but I think that's immpossible without Book the Thirteenth. Me too! I think I got some of them, but not all. It was interesting to muse over whether the D that sometimes represented Lemoney stood for Dewey or Mr. Handler himself. ^_^
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:07 pm
rurouni_starchild 1inaBILLION I think the part of the book that interests me most is the transcript of a VFD meeting, where all the names are given only as the first letter of their name. I've spent a long time trying to identify everybody, but I think that's immpossible without Book the Thirteenth. Me too! I think I got some of them, but not all. It was interesting to muse over whether the D that sometimes represented Lemoney stood for Dewey or Mr. Handler himself. ^_^ Ah! Dewey! I haven't went back to the Autobiography after reading TPP yet, but I'll have to keep that in mind!
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:18 am
1inaBILLION rurouni_starchild 1inaBILLION I think the part of the book that interests me most is the transcript of a VFD meeting, where all the names are given only as the first letter of their name. I've spent a long time trying to identify everybody, but I think that's immpossible without Book the Thirteenth. Me too! I think I got some of them, but not all. It was interesting to muse over whether the D that sometimes represented Lemoney stood for Dewey or Mr. Handler himself. ^_^ Ah! Dewey! I haven't went back to the Autobiography after reading TPP yet, but I'll have to keep that in mind! Yay! ^_^ Maybe we should start of list of who we thinks in the transcript?
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:19 pm
These are who I think the people at the meeting were and, where applicable, why. If there is no reason, then I'm just guessing.
J - Jaques Snicket
L - Lemony Snicket (because he says he needs no representation p. 35)
M - Montgomery Montgomery
R - Duchess of Winnipeg (She signs her letters 'R')
R - ?
M - ?
L - ?
K - Kit Snicket
D - Daniel Handler (on account that he is asked if he is representing L)
S - Sally Sebald
J - Josephine Anwhistle (The second half of the transcript was hidden, presumably, under her bed) or Jake Snicket (who is mentioned in the index).
O - Olaf (But why does he wish to be called 'T'? Traitor?)
E - Esme Squalor or Elenora Poe
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:12 pm
Yeah I agree with those...here are some other thoughts.
D- Daniel Handler, Dewey Denoument
S- Sir? There was also a "Capt. S (aka J)" (probably doesn't count.)
For Olaf's "T" - maybe another anagram?
Another "J" Jerome Squalor? Though...seemed like he just got involved in VFD activity (same with Justice Strauss) in TPP
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:02 pm
rurouni_starchild Yeah I agree with those...here are some other thoughts. D- Daniel Handler, Dewey Denoument S- Sir? There was also a "Capt. S (aka J)" (probably doesn't count.) For Olaf's "T" - maybe another anagram? Another "J" Jerome Squalor? Though...seemed like he just got involved in VFD activity (same with Justice Strauss) in TPP I disagree with Dewey only because neither Frank nor Ernest were there and why would he be represeting L? I believe that 'Captain S' is Captain Sham and that the J stands for 'Julio'. So, really, S can't be Captain Sham because that's on of Olaf's pseudonyms and he's (concieveably) already present. I suppose J could be Jerome, although I assumed he was never involved with VFD prior to TPP, otherwise he'd no that Esme was bad news before he married her. 'S' could be Sir... He never says his last name because it's too hard to pronounce or whatever, but do we know his first name? Maybe VFD did just call him Sir...
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