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 Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:21 pm
One of the (many) problems with guilds is that you can't delete a dead one. Every day I see people selling guilds which are just going to come back up on the market again in a few months.
So why don't we, as a movement, try buying up dead guilds to get them out of the market and then use them as sort of ads for the movement by posting a statement and link back to the main guild on their homepage and in the forum.
Also we could give some of these dead guilds away to worthy causes in exchange for that cause joining the movement.
And we can also use the dead guilds to host big events for our various member guilds. I know the SDRP held one of their events several years ago in a guild of its own so this might be a worthwhile thing.
What do y'all think, would it be worth the investment?
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:12 pm
 I certainly like the idea. The only problem is that many of these guilds come with multiple subforums and thus lose some of their value -- as they've been "worn and torn," if that makes sense. Maybe we could offer a flat rate at about 5,000g per guild, 10,000g if it's in perfect condition?
Also, how many would we be willing to buy? There are thousands of guilds in the registry; how many are dead? Probably the majority. It's a scary thought, yeah?
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:07 pm
Ebony the Peacian I certainly like the idea. The only problem is that many of these guilds come with multiple subforums and thus lose some of their value -- as they've been "worn and torn," if that makes sense. Maybe we could offer a flat rate at about 5,000g per guild, 10,000g if it's in perfect condition?
Also, how many would we be willing to buy? There are thousands of guilds in the registry; how many are dead? Probably the majority. It's a scary thought, yeah? The market value of guilds is incredibly variable. Some people just give them away and others do some complex math with a base cost + guild account + number of subforums and sometimes even members figure in. There's one in the GGN now selling for 57K. We're probably going to have to offer at least 20k. I'd be willing to buy quite a few. Even offering 100k each that's just one monthly chance thing.
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:19 pm
If we're going to try and buy them en masse it may be wise to try and do this as economically as possible- look for those that are inexpensive, even if not in 'perfect' condition- as even those with subforums will suit SOMEONES needs. I have a storage guild that I purchased used with a few subforums already in it because I knew I would need them, so the pristine condition may not be the selling point we should look for so much as "is this a reasonable price for the actual guild and what is already inside it + any work we would have to do to it."
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:18 am
I suppose my only skepticism comes from the fact that the GGN is so vast. New guilds are probably being produced every single week by individuals who spend ten minutes on Booty Grab, accumulate the funds, and think that that's the only way to acquire their own personal storage space/place to chat with their friends. We'd have to get the word out -- and fast -- that we'd be willing to buy used/old guilds to discourage the production of new ones. It's a great project idea, though, and I'd be interested in helping out.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:07 am
Ebony the Peacian I suppose my only skepticism comes from the fact that the GGN is so vast. New guilds are probably being produced every single week by individuals who spend ten minutes on Booty Grab, accumulate the funds, and think that that's the only way to acquire their own personal storage space/place to chat with their friends. We'd have to get the word out -- and fast -- that we'd be willing to buy used/old guilds to discourage the production of new ones. It's a great project idea, though, and I'd be interested in helping out. Yeah. I think the true source of the downfall of guilds is that they are so easy to come by. That's half the reason for this project - to show the developers that guilds are just too easy to get. If we can buy a whole ton of them to use for ads saying that guilds are too easy to get then maybe the devs will raise the price. People are going to respect something a lot more when it costs 2,000,000g rather than 20,000g. Also, a thing people do, is buy guilds with members and use the guild announcement system to invite them to their guild. So they buy the guild for the members. By that logic I think we should pay for the guilds we buy according to how many members are in them. I've got way too much gold to have a handle on reasonable values (I kind of play the market and some games a bit obsessively) so maybe y'all should set our standard prices and we can discuss how much we'd pay for guilds that get advertised for sale when they come up.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:29 am
I actually have a couple that are dead and would be willing to GIVE them to this guild free of charge.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:36 pm
mamarita I actually have a couple that are dead and would be willing to GIVE them to this guild free of charge. Sweet~ Invite the Movement's captain to them and I'll join him up then you can make him captain there and we'll use those to figure out this project. We'll definitely credit you for the donation somehow.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:38 am
Hmm, maybe when I get some money I'll pick a few up from the GGN forum.
I bought one recently from a guy who was originally selling a bundle of four for 20k,
but I only wanted the one. Maybe I should have bought all four o-o"
I always make sure to buy used though, never brand new, if only more people thought the same way.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:22 pm
I would think it would make a lot of sense to buy all the lowest price ones we can, both so that we have the funds to buy more of them and to increase the value of the guilds. Since we're just getting them to take them off the market, does it really matter if they're "pristine" or not? I mean, buying in the scale you're talking about means there's no possible way we can use them all, and therefore it doesn't matter at all how many subforums there are.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:04 pm
Yep, and a bunch of subforums isn't always a bad thing. Some people actually want a lot. My guild has, and actually uses, 17.
I think we should base what we're willing to pay on the number of members and age of the guild rather than it's condition.
Young guilds would have a base price under 20k to discourage people from buying them just to sell (which I have seen done) while Older guilds we might pay more for but I would base most of the price on the number of members since we can use the guild announcement system to basically send ads. Not often, of course, but an announcement when the guild changes hands (notifying them of the change and requesting they join the main guild) and then maybe when we do events and such.
We should definitely buy up any guilds selling for under 20k and may want to consider keeping a list of more expensive guilds so that if one of us has the money and feels like it then we can just buy it ourselves. Also, market research.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:57 pm
I have bought/collected 4 extra so far, two from someone who was selling 2 for 20k total, and two from someone who was giving them away. I cleaned them all out, not sure if I cleaned out all of the members.
1. 12 Subforums
2. 5 Subforums
3. 5 Subforums
4. 9 Subforums
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:02 pm
If we're still going to do this, it would be wise to watch how many we do buy.
I found this post and if guilds are completely revamped and
buying guilds have new prices and old ones won't be 'converted to new code' so to speak,
meaning that each and every guild has to be made from brand new using the new system,
we might not have to buy or collect used and unwanted guilds.
I really hope guilds have to be re-made, honestly. As much work as it is to set up guilds,
guilds should be for those who really want them, and that work into setting them up and
running them is half the fun. It makes me sad seeing so many, many dead guilds.
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:55 am
I think it's a good idea, to a point. I mean if we're only using them to link people here it's wasted space that could go to someone who would actually use it. There are people (like me) who buy used guilds to actually use them. And yes there are way too many being sold, but half of that is because so many don't use guilds anymore and they die. I'm hoping that with guilds being updated it means people will start using them more.
Good luck with this.
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:50 pm
The idea was to use them for marketing and just have on hand so we could give them to people who want a guild. Sort of a service thing really.
Given the recent developments with Guilds 2 this idea is out of date but, depending on how the new system works, we could probably still swing the service aspect.
Basically when the new system comes out we can buy a few of the new guilds and just give them to good guilds that want to make the upgrade.
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