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 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:42 am
Are you a supporter? Ar you against it? What do you think about the feminist movement?
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:46 am
This is not something I've done a lot of research on, I didn't really dig deep or anything, cause I really don't . . . care.
But I would like to mention that I have run into a couple of feminists, and maybe their just the bad apples, every group has bad apples, but I really just didn't agree with them at all. . . . And found them pretty annoying.
And since I haven't done much information and have just heard things from other people, if any of you are feminists, maybe you could further explain for me? So my opinion of not agreeing is more valid. . . .
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:39 pm
"Feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings."
(Cheris Kramerae)
Or, for something a little less snarky, try Gloria Steinem: "A feminist is anyone who recognizes the equality and full humanity of women and men."
That's it. There are various "waves" of the feminist movement, and there are certainly some vocal "bad apples" who've almost turned "feminist" into a sort of insult, but the general idea is very simple.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:28 am
I get harassed by the feminists all the time because as a woman, I chose to submit to my husband, and let him be head of the household. He didn't force me here. This is where I feel the most comfortable. I can't help that the old-fashioned notion of a nuclear household suits me. -eyeroll- All these 'empowered' women just cannot understand how I could want to give up my power to a man. And I tell them all "Don't knock it til you try it."
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:45 am
Sinful Nana I get harassed by the feminists all the time because as a woman, I chose to submit to my husband, and let him be head of the household. He didn't force me here. This is where I feel the most comfortable. I can't help that the old-fashioned notion of a nuclear household suits me. -eyeroll- All these 'empowered' women just cannot understand how I could want to give up my power to a man. And I tell them all "Don't knock it til you try it." People who would harrass you for that kind of choice may call themselves feminists, but that doesn't mean that they actually are. :/
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:46 am
Feminism seems to have two definitions. There are completely ridiculous militant female supremacists and then there are those who truly seek gender equality for men and women.
About modern feminism... It's right that it have a resurgence, about now. Just when I thought "Well, the wage gap is narrowing, there are women in high, key government positions, and equal rights seem to be the order of the day... It looks like feminism is less necessary than it has been at any time in the past," Bam. In steps the GOP, trying to legislate every uterus in the US. So let that be a lesson to you... There may just always be a need for feminism.
Now all that being said, there are those who are truly interested in real equality and there are those who are interested solely in women's rights. I think that we can all agree that the LBGT community is far more suppressed than women, at present. Those who truly favor equality for all people champion causes in order of those which are most direly oppressed... At least out of those in their own backyard.
Which brings me to militant feminism. Sadly, my own wife has shown a sort of mental pollution in that regard. This extends a bit beyond feminism, but the hypersensitive, paranoia-style thought processes are similar. She expressed a belief that seeing a human being and thinking that they are attractive (without knowing them or instead evaluating their outfit, etc) is a form of objectification... I don't feel I need to say anything else about that. I'll just let that sink in.
Now militant feminism is not only not about equality, but it's also quite dangerous. It makes a mockery of real feminism and one day just might allow the GOP to pull the country back into times before Roe v Wade or some other awful, ridiculous bullshit as such. Those who truly value equality have many, many reasons to distance themselves from militants/extremists, while simultaneously being uncompromising in their own, equality-focused views.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:38 am
I am all for equality, but modern feminism seems to be a double edged sword. As it seems that we are no longer equal. Women used to be second class citizens and now it seems that men are. Women murderers are so easily let go when they can simply say 'he abused me'. If a man were to say the same, would anyone in the court take him seriously?
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:23 am
Personally, I appreciate the efforts and achievements of the first and second wave feminists, because without them I would not be able to enjoy the life I live. That said, I'll be damned if those die-hard feminists stop me being submissive to my other half. When I feel like it.
Meh. I'm on the fence. The only feminism I don't agree with is the ultra-aggressive, "how dare you be a man and be taller than me" feminism.
As to the pay grade and inequality, I'm not too fussed if my other half earns more than I do. As long as my children (when I have them) are happy and I earn enough to keep them healthy I'm not bothered who the breadwinner is.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:32 am
I believe that women are only to be equal to men in a certain degree. Men are meant to be head of household and support their family and provide for them. Women are meant to take care of their husband's wishes. I'm kind of old fashioned when it comes to that.
I do feel that women should be able to have the same jobs as men and get paid the same amount as men. Women should be able to vote. These are things the earlier feminist groups got for us. But I'm not really sure what the new feminists are complaining about. I don't see life as a female being hard at all...what do they want everything on a silver platter???
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:11 am
I'm very firmly feminist but in terms of the belief that men and women should be treated as equals. I'm not going to judge anyone for being a housewife or matriarch of a nucular family, sure that's what my mam did. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with deciding to be submissive to your other (Male or female) half. I think it's difficult for some women because they might have personal issues with that set up that they assume for the whole.
I also think saying we don't need feminism anymore is a bit silly, I've come across a fair deal of sexism and while I can deal with it I think I shouldn't have too.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:52 am
Lady-Sanctuary I'm very firmly feminist but in terms of the belief that men and women should be treated as equals. I'm not going to judge anyone for being a housewife or matriarch of a nucular family, sure that's what my mam did. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with deciding to be submissive to your other (Male or female) half. I think it's difficult for some women because they might have personal issues with that set up that they assume for the whole. I also think saying we don't need feminism anymore is a bit silly, I've come across a fair deal of sexism and while I can deal with it I think I shouldn't have too. Not to try and argue...only asking out of pure curiosity. What form of sexism do you deal with?
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:19 am
Lil Candy Princess Lady-Sanctuary I'm very firmly feminist but in terms of the belief that men and women should be treated as equals. I'm not going to judge anyone for being a housewife or matriarch of a nucular family, sure that's what my mam did. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with deciding to be submissive to your other (Male or female) half. I think it's difficult for some women because they might have personal issues with that set up that they assume for the whole. I also think saying we don't need feminism anymore is a bit silly, I've come across a fair deal of sexism and while I can deal with it I think I shouldn't have too. Not to try and argue...only asking out of pure curiosity. What form of sexism do you deal with? I was sexually harrassed in college and very little was done about it, and because I'm quite domestic a lot of people assume it's okay to make jokes and jibes at me for it. Not massive things, just the little things people think they can get away with and do.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:51 am
Lady-Sanctuary Lil Candy Princess Lady-Sanctuary I'm very firmly feminist but in terms of the belief that men and women should be treated as equals. I'm not going to judge anyone for being a housewife or matriarch of a nucular family, sure that's what my mam did. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with deciding to be submissive to your other (Male or female) half. I think it's difficult for some women because they might have personal issues with that set up that they assume for the whole. I also think saying we don't need feminism anymore is a bit silly, I've come across a fair deal of sexism and while I can deal with it I think I shouldn't have too. Not to try and argue...only asking out of pure curiosity. What form of sexism do you deal with? I was sexually harrassed in college and very little was done about it, and because I'm quite domestic a lot of people assume it's okay to make jokes and jibes at me for it. Not massive things, just the little things people think they can get away with and do. I hate rude, mean people. Really in this world you think they would have more to do.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:14 pm
Lil Candy Princess Lady-Sanctuary Lil Candy Princess Lady-Sanctuary I'm very firmly feminist but in terms of the belief that men and women should be treated as equals. I'm not going to judge anyone for being a housewife or matriarch of a nucular family, sure that's what my mam did. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with deciding to be submissive to your other (Male or female) half. I think it's difficult for some women because they might have personal issues with that set up that they assume for the whole. I also think saying we don't need feminism anymore is a bit silly, I've come across a fair deal of sexism and while I can deal with it I think I shouldn't have too. Not to try and argue...only asking out of pure curiosity. What form of sexism do you deal with? I was sexually harrassed in college and very little was done about it, and because I'm quite domestic a lot of people assume it's okay to make jokes and jibes at me for it. Not massive things, just the little things people think they can get away with and do. I hate rude, mean people. Really in this world you think they would have more to do. Yeah, you'd like to think so... Sucks.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:20 pm
Lady-Sanctuary I also think saying we don't need feminism anymore is a bit silly, I've come across a fair deal of sexism and while I can deal with it I think I shouldn't have too. There will always be sexist individuals. Feminism's utility as a movement cannot be judged by sexist individuals. It is still needed, but we've rather less left to do in the US than in other places. There are very few legal ways to discriminate against women, at least not based on gender, here. Right now, we just have to keep voting democrat and hope that enough others do that we don't start legislating women's reproductive rights. Of course other places, especially theocracies, have women placed rather firmly under their boot heel. Only the government or organizations can necessitate the need for feminism, not sexist individuals.
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