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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:50 pm

I was wondering if anyone heard of a school called Juilliard? I sincerely hope you have. I was wondering because I'd really like to meet other Pre-College students who go there on Saturday. I play the classical guitar, with Ms. Tali Roth as my teacher.

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:05 am

It's a really famous school, there's no chance anybody's not aware of it.

I really don't like the american way of studying music.

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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:33 am

Liquid_Len

I really don't like the american way of studying music.

I ask out of curiosity (not for critical reasons) could you explain what you mean?

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:12 pm

Liquid_Len

It's a really famous school, there's no chance anybody's not aware of it.

I really don't like the american way of studying music.

I was asking for the simple reason that most people I met have no idea what it is. They ask me if it's a vegetable. :XP:

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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:19 pm

Liquid_Len

I really don't like the american way of studying music.

I would assume it would be the conservatory style of teaching, but that is commonplace worldwide. You have to be proficient in voice or an instrument, that's the least you have to do in a music school. Otherwise, it is a base requirement to go into the other fields like composing, music history, and conducting.

I personally do not like the conservatory method of music schools. It isn't friendly for amateurs.

But if that's not what you mean by that, then, please, elucidate for us.

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:34 am

Americans have a way of not accepting any type of music but their own or any other thought but their own. Their study methods (to my opinion) focus more on performance and less on composition. They also tend to disregard pre-classical music. I don't see any reason to disregard any type of music so it's kind of hard to treat their opinions with respect not to mention that I actually PREFER pre-classical music.
Further more, I have a friend who studied music at an academy in Basel. He can improvise four-part fugues. I'm not sure Julliard graduates could compose a good fugue, let alone improvise one.

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:47 am

Liquid_Len

Americans have a way of not accepting any type of music but their own or any other thought but their own. Their study methods (to my opinion) focus more on performance and less on composition. They also tend to disregard pre-classical music. I don't see any reason to disregard any type of music so it's kind of hard to treat their opinions with respect not to mention that I actually PREFER pre-classical music.
Further more, I have a friend who studied music at an academy in Basel. He can improvise four-part fugues. I'm not sure Julliard graduates could compose a good fugue, let alone improvise one.

I'd have to agree with you on that one.

I'm not a big fan of juliard, and I haven't liked much that I've heard out of there. They seem to have a big focus on contempory music, and I know it is completely personal, but I find a lot of modernist contempory music lacklustre and uninspired confused ...

I've no doubt that juliard study fugue writing, but I don't think they place much emphasis on it. I think they take the stance that fugue is no longer useful; which is a shame. There's this closed-mindedness in american contempory music. It's a shame they didn't go in the directions they were pushed by Dvorak and Saint-Saens.

If the eroica trio and the five browns are the best to come out of a school, I wouldn't be sending my children there.

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:16 am

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Americans have a way of not accepting any type of music but their own or any other thought but their own. Their study methods (to my opinion) focus more on performance and less on composition. They also tend to disregard pre-classical music. I don't see any reason to disregard any type of music so it's kind of hard to treat their opinions with respect not to mention that I actually PREFER pre-classical music.
Further more, I have a friend who studied music at an academy in Basel. He can improvise four-part fugues. I'm not sure Julliard graduates could compose a good fugue, let alone improvise one.

I'd have to agree with you on that one.

I'm not a big fan of juliard, and I haven't liked much that I've heard out of there. They seem to have a big focus on contempory music, and I know it is completely personal, but I find a lot of modernist contempory music lacklustre and uninspired confused ...

I've no doubt that juliard study fugue writing, but I don't think they place much emphasis on it. I think they take the stance that fugue is no longer useful; which is a shame. There's this closed-mindedness in american contempory music. It's a shame they didn't go in the directions they were pushed by Dvorak and Saint-Saens.

If the eroica trio and the five browns are the best to come out of a school, I wouldn't be sending my children there.

Apparently the largest problem with that school is in the training for string players. The teachers are members of the Julliard quartet, so they apparently essentially tell them to disreguard orchestral training in favor of training to be in a string quartet. Naturally that's a bad idea since most of those students are going to end up in an orchestra if only due to lack of open positions for string quartets. (Not to mention not reaching a level of talent necessary for playing in one)

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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:20 am

That's a small problem to my opinion.

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:39 pm

So it's a small problem when they're ******** over maybe 95% of the string players coming into the school?

Not really.

They also usually only accept people that are relatively young which gives them a false sense of being a child prodigy, so this leads to a rather rough wake up call when they start their career. However, I wouldn't consider that as severe of a problem as the first one mentioned.

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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:44 pm

I think the reason I don't like them is that they do is that they don't inspire greatness. that's the bigest problem I could think anyone could have.

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