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I can agree with most of that. Vince did screw Bret, not Shawn. Bret isn't a crybaby in the way of Montreal, I just thought it was lame that Bret ALWAYS had to hold the title or he'd get pissed. Allegedly, he did just as you said, being that allegedly after the incident Bret punched Vince in the face backstage.

He did. bret was packing up in his locker room after the screw job and Vince came in and began making a commotion. Bret went into the Shower room and told Vince that if he is out there when he gets back, that he was gonna knock him out. Bret Showered, Vince was there still causing a commotion, Bret began to walk out. Vince grabbed him, and Bret laid him out.

He didn't ALWAYS need to have the belt, you really need to get your facts straight.

As far as who screwed who, Vince was in charge, so ultimately it was he who screwed Bret. Shawn and Earl were willing participants, but it was Vince who signed the checks.

As far as the heat still felt 8+ years later, it's pretty much a combination of Vince using elements of that day to this day (For example: Survivor Series '98, when the Rock beat Mankind with the Sharpshooter) and the fans, who still scream "You Screwed Bret" at every opportunity.

My facts are as straight as an arrow. I know what I saw.

It's been said that Vince took the bump as any wrestler would... ya know... missing by a mile, but giving the image that he was hit...

HBK said this in his book and those that were there also agreed that Vince was ready for a major asskicking from Brett.

Ya all know I love me my HBK and my hitman so I really get torn about this screw job deal:

I think that Brett Screwed himself by getting reeeeeeeeeally greedy (did you SEE him in WCW.. yeah they didn't know what to do with a star like him.. and Brett himself says so). Also it's kind of retarded of him to never want to lose the title in Canada (Montreal is NOT his hometown). Being a hometown hero is one thing, but trying to say that all of Canada is a safe haven for you as a title holder... that's really retarded... Any other wrestler could have claimed the same from their respective countries.

Vince screwed Brett by making such a controversy about giving HBK the title that night in Montreal. Brett couldn't have lost the title the night after because his arrival at WCW was scripted for that Monday night. I do see Vince's line of thinking. The man was backed into a wall. His title was about to go to his rival because his title holder was too ego driven to pass the title off because he was in his home country. The way he went about screwing Brett was really horrid, but that's something he'll live with forever as the owner of this organization.

HBK wasn't against winning the title at all. WHO CAN BLAME HIM FOR THAT? Shawn did, however, lie to Brett about how the match was going to be and KNEW about what Hebner was going to do.

Really... it was something that every party was at fault for. It was about 10 friggin years ago. How many of you were actually watching wrestling (or alive for that matter) when it happened? LOL. HBK is right in telling Vince to get over himself and get over the whole screw job. It was damned near a decade ago.

*gets off soapbox. * Sorry heart

Glad someone appreciates my opinion and my harsh look at the reality about that "Screw job"
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Just wanted to make sure everyone knew that I wasn't pro anyone or anti anyone. I was always a huge fan of HBK and Bret. I can't really sit back and watch people argue over who did what. If you just step back and look at it from a point of view that is detached.. you could all see it wasn't one person.

Honestly it was a ton of ego *on all parts* and the business of it all that made it so shady. It sucks that crap like that happens, but it's happened since then as well *it just wasn't as obvious*

Bret didn't care about WCW. His whole plan with Vince was originally he was going to go to WCW and not do anything and just slack his way through his year, then return to WWF. Vince even encouraged him to talk with WCW. Bret wasn't scheduled for Nitro the next night, he did appear there though after the screw job. he was going to go to RAW and deliver a fairwell spech and hand over the belt.

Sinally, the Canada incedent wasn't that it was because of the whole home country. It was more Storyline. Bret was considered Mr.Canada and The Has Been Kid was like Captain America. it really pitted two countries fan base against eachother. (Bret bood in America, cheered in Canada and Vise Versa for Micheals.) Bret did not want his character to be defamed by being forced to job to a guy that blew his nose on the Canadian flag that very night. It was in talks for weeks, and agreed that bret would retain the title. He wasn;t happy with a last minute change, and wouldn't accept it. (Micheals has done the same thing many times.)

It all boiks down to this: No one denied Bret had an ego, but is that why he was screwed? No. He was screwed because Vince was paranoid, Shawn was a greedy b*****d, and Hebner liked his job. Thus why they will forever be, and deserve to be bood in the great country of Canada, because They screwed Bret.

Although I did like the royal rumble commercial.

Crowd: You screwed Brettagus! You screwed Brettagus! You screwed Brettagus!

Vince Ceaser: SHUT UP!

You said earlier that you're not basing your assumptions off of what you saw on TV, then you said you go by what you saw. Then finally when asked about that you hude behind someone else's post. You really didn't help yourself.