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 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:01 pm
It really bothers me, these homophobes I mean. They're always saying how abnormal it is, and how god is against it! I'm not a Christian, but I have Christian friends and family. This is why I'm kinda iffy coming out to people. Because if this website is right, the bible truly DOES speak against homosexuality.
Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Do NOT let this get to you! Remember, the bible is written by men! Also, it's translated from another language! This might mean:
1) the person who re-wrote it mis-translated it...
2) the bible had been changed on purpose...
3) the bible had been made up to begin with...
Or, there's the next possibility... The bible is ONLY A BOOK OF STORIES. A guideline, ideas! A way of thinking, an idea! Not absolute. If its do abnormal, than why are we like this? There are gay ANIMALS, people!
Another note, aren't we "made in his image"? That means he's just as bad as we are?
Please post opinions, thank you!
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:07 pm
Ooohhh just my kind of post.
It's come to my attention, via professors in my department, that this has more to do with a mixing of categories rather than damnation. It seems to us that the Jews had a specific idea of what categories everything in the world belonged to and those that didn't fit into the categories were "not safe". basically.
So for fish... we have a visual idea of what a fish is. Has scales, gills, fins, and swims. So what is a stingray? Doesn't fit the category that God set down, so they just separated it, assumed it was dangerous or whatever, and went along their business.
For men... men have bigger muscles, more suited for battle. They have beards. They have...um...you know... and they marry and have sex with women. That's the category. Anything not in this category wasn't something they were prepared to deal with. This doesn't mean they thought violence should come out of it. They just didn't fit into the template, so they might have been considered abnormal. But that's pretty much it.
Remember, the Greeks were boy-lovers. This is just culture. It wasn't Jewish culture, but they didn't go around freaking out when they saw it happening. There was an understanding that different people had different rules.
So I think people who think that there's something "wrong" or that gays should have violence come to them, are idiots who have no idea about the cultural context.
AND...in this, it says nothing about lesbians, so even if men who lie together must be burned and stoned and then burned again.... we're okay! Let's get to humping!!!!!!!!
lol. But seriously. I hate the way people misinterpret things and cause pain for others... especially when I might be one of those "others".
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:35 pm
I highly agree. I used to have such a tough time explaining to my "by the bible" friends and family. Some how reading this seems so much easier cat_sweatdrop
I am not religious, and most people get defensive when I say this but.. There is a big difference between religious, and spiritual. cat_wink
~Yours truly,
AlexxAsylum
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:53 pm
AlexxAsylum
I highly agree. I used to have such a tough time explaining to my "by the bible" friends and family. Some how reading this seems so much easier cat_sweatdrop
I am not religious, and most people get defensive when I say this but.. There is a big difference between religious, and spiritual. cat_wink
~Yours truly,
AlexxAsylum I agree, the two are different... heart
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:58 am
in my personal opinion if you follow the religion of Christianity then you follow the bible to at least some extent. At least the basic principals... I understand that some Christians are very much so against our beliefs because it is in the bible, however so is a lot of things.. and as stated before the bible was written by men who were supposedly told by god to write it. i am not of christian faith and if anything i am an aspiring Buddhist. I think that religion is more so a means to spiritual enlightenment. and as far as Christianity goes i think its hypocritical to preach that god loves everyone but then say that he damns people to hell. On another note, since i see no restrictions on the site for just Christianity, as far as i know Buddhism does not say anything about homosexuality and the beliefs of some against it are personal and few. If any one knows any thing about other religions please share ! biggrin heart
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:11 am
In addition, most of the texts about homosexuals reside in the Old Testament.
I am not religious in any form, but to my knowledge, the Old Testament became obsolete when Jesus Christ sacrificed himself for the people.
Therefore, by saying these scriptures STILL mean that homosexuals are damned, these people are essentially saying that Jesus Christ's sacrifice meant nothing to them.
Just a tidbit you can rub in their face when they fail to listen to your peaceful reasoning.
~That Girl in the BowTie~
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:21 am
Thank you guys! I thought this thread died out a long time ago. But yes, it is kinda stupid- scratch that- very stupid for them to say how god loves everyone only to go about saying he hates half of the human population. (I don't just mean homosexual people, either) I really like that tidbit about the Old Testament. That would be a great argument! Thanks, BowTie-chan! ^_^
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:26 am
ShiningStar KiraKira Thank you guys! I thought this thread died out a long time ago. But yes, it is kinda stupid- scratch that- very stupid for them to say how god loves everyone only to go about saying he hates half of the human population. (I don't just mean homosexual people, either) I really like that tidbit about the Old Testament. That would be a great argument! Thanks, BowTie-chan! ^_^
You're welcome. Everybody needs a smart, insulting bit of evidence for those who fail to listen to reason.
~That Girl in the BowTie~
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:42 am
ThatGirlintheBowTie Or, to say that "God" hates somebody for loving somebody else, but is perfectly okay with them hating somebody they don't even know.
You're welcome. Everybody needs a smart, insulting bit of evidence for those who fail to listen to reason.
~That Girl in the BowTie~ Personally, I'm agnostic. I don't know if it's because Christians scare me or if it's because the idea of worshipping something seems... I don't know. I think that people have this whole image of 'god' all wrong if it's real. (I'm not saying 'he' because I think this 'god' or whatever would be either genderless or both... Is that weird?) I think it would be more of a type of shapeless energy. After all, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Wouldn't it make sense? I don't know... This probably sounds like nonsensical ramblings...
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:50 am
i understand what you mean and it isn't rambling at all. actually it really makes sense especially if you are one who believes in the paranormal. I am still battling with finding a religion and as far as what i actually claim it is aspiring Buddhist or Agnostic. I steer from christianity because i feel like when you have to constantly make changes to a religion to believe in it you are not truely following that religion. and thatgirlinthebowtie i have also heard that argument and that is my main reasoning for why i dont understand christianity. I feel like there is no reasone to state things from the old testimont if you believe in Jesus as the messiah. It just doesn't make sense. wink
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:12 pm
ShiningStar KiraKira ThatGirlintheBowTie Or, to say that "God" hates somebody for loving somebody else, but is perfectly okay with them hating somebody they don't even know.
You're welcome. Everybody needs a smart, insulting bit of evidence for those who fail to listen to reason.
~That Girl in the BowTie~ Personally, I'm agnostic. I don't know if it's because Christians scare me or if it's because the idea of worshipping something seems... I don't know. I think that people have this whole image of 'god' all wrong if it's real. (I'm not saying 'he' because I think this 'god' or whatever would be either genderless or both... Is that weird?) I think it would be more of a type of shapeless energy. After all, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Wouldn't it make sense? I don't know... This probably sounds like nonsensical ramblings...
I personally just think that it takes a certain type of person to be religious {Especially a Christian.} and I am not that person.
I see what you mean. Most likely God would be genderless or both, the latter being because he "is" a combination of all things, masculine and feminine, good and bad, etc.
However, I view God as either a petulant child or a bored, sadistic being with a scientific mind {Like me} and a relentless curiosity.
It doesn't sound like rambling to me. You're fine. ^-^
~That Girl in the BowTie~
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:16 pm
I believe in karma... And the possibility of life outside of earth... But the second one has nothing to do with 'religion'. I don't know if the first one does either, though. Another reason why I'm agnostic is that I don't believe in 'praying' or whatever. It's pointless. If you want something to be I done, then get up and do something. That's what I think.
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:18 pm
 Personally, I agree. I believe there can possibly be a God of some sort in a place where an ordinary human can't get to. But I wouldn't call myself a Christian. Because of the fact I would be looked at as a hypocrite. But I do agree with what you are saying. The Bible has been translated so many times and most likely changed that no living human know what it truly said millions and millions of years ago. Unlike Christians though, I believe that God is a peaceful and loving to everyone. Honestly, Why would God allow gays and diffrent religions exist if he didnt love us all equally? Every religion says that If you do not believe in that religion you are going to hell. Alot of this religion debate doesnt make sense to me.. Its all over the place. There always needs to be a middle piece connecting every other piece, but religion, I cant seem to find that middle piece no matter how much I search for it. >.< I rambled on to much... Basically what i'm saying is I agree with what you are saying,, sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:21 pm
ThatGirlintheBowTie I am also agnostic.
I personally just think that it takes a certain type of person to be religious {Especially a Christian.} and I am not that person.
I see what you mean. Most likely God would be genderless or both, the latter being because he "is" a combination of all things, masculine and feminine, good and bad, etc.
However, I view God as either a petulant child or a bored, sadistic being with a scientific mind {Like me} and a relentless curiosity.
It doesn't sound like rambling to me. You're fine. ^-^
~That Girl in the BowTie~ That makes sense, too! Why less would there be all of this pain and suffering in the world? If "he" was so kind and generous, wouldn't life be easy? Sadistic? Yea, definitely! Scientific? I see that, too! There's other religions besides Christianity...
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:30 pm
About 'hell'... What is this 'hell' but an idea? I mean, would it really be such a bad thing? For all we know, it could all be backwards or maybe it doesn't exist at all? Maybe it's like bleach (anime/manga) where we can become shinigami and fight hollows! That'd be so cool! >_< (sorry... My otaku-mode switched on for a moment there) We really don't know... I can definitely see where you're coming from. Why do we exist if "he" 'hates' us? Seriously...
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