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 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:44 pm
Jesus son of Mary is a Prophet of God and the Messiah
He is not God,or any "son of god"
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:46 pm
If Jesus was God, how could He pray to God?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said "Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?
The "God" Title:
How come Christians take the "God" (theos in Greek) title literally with Jesus in Isiah 9:6 and they don't take it literally for the rest of the prophets and people who were called Gods ?
The Prophets who were called "God" in the Bible are as follows:
Prophet Moses in Exodus 7:1
The Devil in Corinthians 4:4 (the word for God in this verse is theos in Greek, the same used for Jesus that was translated as "God")
Multiple Prophets in Psalms 82:6
King David in Psalm 45:3
Very Important Note: Did you know that in the languages of Arabic and Hebrew the father of the house can be called the God of the house? Jesus was the God (father or leader) of his people and their father according to Isiah 9:6. Jesus being the leader and the king, it is normal for him to be called the father of his people (Father in Isiah 9:6), and because he is their father he automatically becomes their God. My father is my God in Arabic and Hebrew.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:10 pm
Khalid Ibn Walid Jesus son of Mary is a Prophet of God and the Messiah
He is not God,or any "son of god" I believe some Christians believe in a 'Trinity', where three separate beings all count as one larger one. In a sense, it is polytheism, but it's more along the lines of puzzle pieces. These pieces are: the Son (Jesus), The Father (Yahweh) and the Holy Spirit (Yahweh again) it was originally the 'Holy Spirit' only, but Jesus created a sort of new being that was also himself. If we created an exact clone of you, who is essentially you but in a separate body, could you not speak to yourself? You have to look at it as a cell dividing itself into different cells. They are all the same cell, all part of the same cell, but able to take up different places at the same time. I'm not saying it really makes any more sense, it's just how it was explained to me and it sort of answers your question. To be honest, I personally would have seen Jesus as more of a prophet myself going around reminding us of the laws we were breaking, not making a new set of rules by picking out a select few of the old ones. That makes no sense. In some ways I would almost agree with Islam's view of Jesus.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:27 am
prehaps this may give you a little clarity. GOD is a Spirit, which is greater then flesh. Jesus had to operate in the flesh.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:40 pm
This is a very complicated topic, I do not know how it works in Islam since he is considered a prophet, but in Christianity there is a thing called the Blessed Trinity, but the simplest way to put it is that "Jesus is not God, but God is Jesus". It's sort of like this since God created Jesus and the Holy Spirit, they cannot be God or they would have all been created, someone had to be the creator, in order to create the other two in the future.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:50 pm
Aspen 2010 This is a very complicated topic, I do not know how it works in Islam since he is considered a prophet, but in Christianity there is a thing called the Blessed Trinity, but the simplest way to put it is that "Jesus is not God, but God is Jesus". It's sort of like this since God created Jesus and the Holy Spirit, they cannot be God or they would have all been created, someone had to be the creator, in order to create the other two in the future. I think much of the confusion arises from the different ways the word "god" is used. "God" means all three, but also specifically is used to mean the Father. So that's confusing; Jesus is god but Jesus is not the Father.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:16 pm
Jesus became Jesus only when GOD wrapped himself in flesh to demonstrate how flesh can or should live. GOD can manifest however it pleases GOD. The act of putting limitations on himself is proof of how much he loves us. I wonder how many of us would reduce ourselves to a worm for the sake of saving the worm?
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:34 pm
Khalid Ibn Walid Jesus son of Mary is a Prophet of God and the Messiah
He is not God,or any "son of god" wat exactly is being discussed here?? and nice name it sounds like tht wuld be one of the names of the 5ulafa2 (khulafa') is it? btw im muslim u r also right? and i like ur avi
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:06 pm
sheshe507 Khalid Ibn Walid Jesus son of Mary is a Prophet of God and the Messiah
He is not God,or any "son of god" wat exactly is being discussed here?? and nice name it sounds like tht wuld be one of the names of the 5ulafa2 (khulafa') is it? btw im muslim u r also right? and i like ur avi To give you a quick fill-in, this guy is trying to help prove Islam by disproving much of Christianity. He is trying to say that, contrary to christian belief, Jesus was not the 'son of god' no god made human, but a prophet or something. It's funny, I have never met any atheist who is as determined as any theist like him to disprove others.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:30 am
Kusugari sheshe507 Khalid Ibn Walid Jesus son of Mary is a Prophet of God and the Messiah
He is not God,or any "son of god" wat exactly is being discussed here?? and nice name it sounds like tht wuld be one of the names of the 5ulafa2 (khulafa') is it? btw im muslim u r also right? and i like ur avi To give you a quick fill-in, this guy is trying to help prove Islam by disproving much of Christianity. He is trying to say that, contrary to christian belief, Jesus was not the 'son of god' no god made human, but a prophet or something. It's funny, I have never met any atheist who is as determined as any theist like him to disprove others. lol thnx but imma hav to take his side on this one since hes debating from a muslim point of view good luck tho. smile
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:13 pm
I don't think Christianity is polytheistic because Hinduism believes that Brahman is the source of all life, but all the "gods" in Hinduism are "body parts" of Brahman. For example, his left arm is this "god" and right leg is another "god". I may be wrong but I learned from my teachers that, that is how Hinduism works.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:21 pm
Because Jesus prayed to God does not neccisarliy mean he is not God. Jesus is 100% human, 100% divine, acording to Catholics. He prayed to God to set an example for other, but also because he was created by God, making him human, but Jesus is different to the rest of us, because we were all created by God, because he refused to be tempted by Satin/ the Devil, (which ever you want to call him) he was susceptible to temptation but his love for God overpowered Satin's temptation. This makes Jesus Christ different and God's Son. But the Trinity is a very confusing topic, I'm not sure if I can call myself Catholic anymore because I have a very debatable opinion about the trinity, but acording to Catholics and to the Creed and all of that, God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus are all one person, no one is higher no one is lower. But I think that God is higher only because he created Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
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