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 Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:53 pm
Are we believing in our version of God that we created? My mom made me watch a video of Paul Washer preaching, he said that most evangelists could not be trusted but isn't he an evangelist? Anyway, he claimed that most Christians are not saved and that most Christians worship a God that they created in their minds, and not a God that we're supposed to know.
But how can we trust that he "knows" God and that we don't?
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:16 pm
first off, I don't know this Paul Washer.
Second, I don't listen to people who tell me, I am wrong and they are right... if they don't have reasons to back up their claim.
Third, I know the God of the bible, cause I spend time to read the book. And adopt the teachings in red, to the best of my ability. And the other stuff, if I agree with it.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:44 am
How do you know the electronic device you used to make this post is real? How do you know the electricity that makes it function is real? The surface that it rests on, is that real?
I have some friends that will go on forever with this and other friends who often make them stop by variously suggesting violent ways of introducing the questioned object to the questioner's body. The point of the question is simple. They exist because you perceive them. What you perceive around you; what you see, feel, hear, taste, and smell, are all real. Going on that idea of what reality is we have another way of feeling things as real. That is emotion.
How do you feel when you think of your God? Loved? Inspired? Fearful? Many people feel different. Most feel loved, comforted, etc. That is important because knowing this, knowing how you perceive your God to exist, is how you know he is real.
From what you've told us this "Paul Washer" guy is an evangelist who says not to trust evangelist then makes an arrogant claim without any evidence to back up his claim. He's already told you not to believe him then proved his point by failing to provide any evidence for the rest of his speech. I don't think there's anything more to say on that matter.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:55 am
Doesn't the Bible say we can't comprehend God anyways? I think it's Revelations... John is only seeing what the human mind can comprehend of Heaven... which is very... limited... like so limited... it's below 0.1% percent comprehension. So if he can only JUST comprehend heaven, God himself in non-comprehensible, Indescribable, Unimaginable.
Therefore, everyone's idea of God is true and false... because we do not know God, but what we see in our minds is what he created us to see.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:11 am
Sasune Are we believing in our version of God that we created? My mom made me watch a video of Paul Washer preaching, he said that most evangelists could not be trusted but isn't he an evangelist? Anyway, he claimed that most Christians are not saved and that most Christians worship a God that they created in their minds, and not a God that we're supposed to know. But how can we trust that he "knows" God and that we don't? Testing the spirits. If the "god" that he believes in tells says that one should kill puppies, then it's not Jesus's God. If his God tells us to help someone who is suffering then it's probably Jesus's God. While an extreme diacotomy there, there's wisdom in this line of reasoning. If it goes against truth and loving your neighbor as yourself then it's not of God. If it leads you to being honest and loving toward others, it's of God. If it leads you to being sociopathic, then it's not of God.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:16 am
Qyp Doesn't the Bible say we can't comprehend God anyways? I think it's Revelations... John is only seeing what the human mind can comprehend of Heaven... which is very... limited... like so limited... it's below 0.1% percent comprehension. So if he can only JUST comprehend heaven, God himself in non-comprehensible, Indescribable, Unimaginable. Therefore, everyone's idea of God is true and false... because we do not know God, but what we see in our minds is what he created us to see. No we cannot comprehend God in totality but because of Christ as the image of God in human form and because of this, we are able comprehend his nature. It's like going into a field filled with a 1000 kg of grain with a 5 kg bag. All you can get is 5 kg worth of grain but from that 5 kg of grain, you have an idea of what the other 995 kg of grain are like.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:26 pm
rmcdra Qyp Doesn't the Bible say we can't comprehend God anyways? I think it's Revelations... John is only seeing what the human mind can comprehend of Heaven... which is very... limited... like so limited... it's below 0.1% percent comprehension. So if he can only JUST comprehend heaven, God himself in non-comprehensible, Indescribable, Unimaginable. Therefore, everyone's idea of God is true and false... because we do not know God, but what we see in our minds is what he created us to see. No we cannot comprehend God in totality but because of Christ as the image of God in human form and because of this, we are able comprehend his nature. It's like going into a field filled with a 1000 kg of grain with a 5 kg bag. All you can get is 5 kg worth of grain but from that 5 kg of grain, you have an idea of what the other 995 kg of grain are like. Lol, yeah. Jesus is who we can comprehend... but the Omnipresent God we can't...
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:26 am
Qyp rmcdra Qyp Doesn't the Bible say we can't comprehend God anyways? I think it's Revelations... John is only seeing what the human mind can comprehend of Heaven... which is very... limited... like so limited... it's below 0.1% percent comprehension. So if he can only JUST comprehend heaven, God himself in non-comprehensible, Indescribable, Unimaginable. Therefore, everyone's idea of God is true and false... because we do not know God, but what we see in our minds is what he created us to see. No we cannot comprehend God in totality but because of Christ as the image of God in human form and because of this, we are able comprehend his nature. It's like going into a field filled with a 1000 kg of grain with a 5 kg bag. All you can get is 5 kg worth of grain but from that 5 kg of grain, you have an idea of what the other 995 kg of grain are like. Lol, yeah. Jesus is who we can comprehend... but the Omnipresent God we can't... There are some who would say that by comprehending the fact that we can not comprehend we have already made some level of comprehension. I think this would go in the metaphorical 5kg of grain, though perhaps it actually comes from it. Depends on how you look at the metaphor. Do we comprehend that we can not comprehend because of what we have already perceived or do we comprehend that we can not comprehend as the whole of what we have already perceived?
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:53 am
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp rmcdra Qyp Doesn't the Bible say we can't comprehend God anyways? I think it's Revelations... John is only seeing what the human mind can comprehend of Heaven... which is very... limited... like so limited... it's below 0.1% percent comprehension. So if he can only JUST comprehend heaven, God himself in non-comprehensible, Indescribable, Unimaginable. Therefore, everyone's idea of God is true and false... because we do not know God, but what we see in our minds is what he created us to see. No we cannot comprehend God in totality but because of Christ as the image of God in human form and because of this, we are able comprehend his nature. It's like going into a field filled with a 1000 kg of grain with a 5 kg bag. All you can get is 5 kg worth of grain but from that 5 kg of grain, you have an idea of what the other 995 kg of grain are like. Lol, yeah. Jesus is who we can comprehend... but the Omnipresent God we can't... There are some who would say that by comprehending the fact that we can not comprehend we have already made some level of comprehension. I think this would go in the metaphorical 5kg of grain, though perhaps it actually comes from it. Depends on how you look at the metaphor. Do we comprehend that we can not comprehend because of what we have already perceived or do we comprehend that we can not comprehend as the whole of what we have already perceived? We comprehend what we see... we can't really see God... but then he does say he is always around us, and in us... so maybe we see God in everything he has made, and will make... therefore, God is everything... We are figments of his mind O_O
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:03 am
Qyp Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp rmcdra Qyp Doesn't the Bible say we can't comprehend God anyways? I think it's Revelations... John is only seeing what the human mind can comprehend of Heaven... which is very... limited... like so limited... it's below 0.1% percent comprehension. So if he can only JUST comprehend heaven, God himself in non-comprehensible, Indescribable, Unimaginable. Therefore, everyone's idea of God is true and false... because we do not know God, but what we see in our minds is what he created us to see. No we cannot comprehend God in totality but because of Christ as the image of God in human form and because of this, we are able comprehend his nature. It's like going into a field filled with a 1000 kg of grain with a 5 kg bag. All you can get is 5 kg worth of grain but from that 5 kg of grain, you have an idea of what the other 995 kg of grain are like. Lol, yeah. Jesus is who we can comprehend... but the Omnipresent God we can't... There are some who would say that by comprehending the fact that we can not comprehend we have already made some level of comprehension. I think this would go in the metaphorical 5kg of grain, though perhaps it actually comes from it. Depends on how you look at the metaphor. Do we comprehend that we can not comprehend because of what we have already perceived or do we comprehend that we can not comprehend as the whole of what we have already perceived? We comprehend what we see... we can't really see God... but then he does say he is always around us, and in us... so maybe we see God in everything he has made, and will make... therefore, God is everything... We are figments of his mind O_O The first thing I thought when reading that last sentence; "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality." Anyways, perception is what we see, feel, hear, etc. It is the use of our senses. So I believe if we pray or meditate and focus on God, talk to God, etc, then to some degree we perceive him.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:32 pm
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp rmcdra Qyp Doesn't the Bible say we can't comprehend God anyways? I think it's Revelations... John is only seeing what the human mind can comprehend of Heaven... which is very... limited... like so limited... it's below 0.1% percent comprehension. So if he can only JUST comprehend heaven, God himself in non-comprehensible, Indescribable, Unimaginable. Therefore, everyone's idea of God is true and false... because we do not know God, but what we see in our minds is what he created us to see. No we cannot comprehend God in totality but because of Christ as the image of God in human form and because of this, we are able comprehend his nature. It's like going into a field filled with a 1000 kg of grain with a 5 kg bag. All you can get is 5 kg worth of grain but from that 5 kg of grain, you have an idea of what the other 995 kg of grain are like. Lol, yeah. Jesus is who we can comprehend... but the Omnipresent God we can't... There are some who would say that by comprehending the fact that we can not comprehend we have already made some level of comprehension. I think this would go in the metaphorical 5kg of grain, though perhaps it actually comes from it. Depends on how you look at the metaphor. Do we comprehend that we can not comprehend because of what we have already perceived or do we comprehend that we can not comprehend as the whole of what we have already perceived? We comprehend what we see... we can't really see God... but then he does say he is always around us, and in us... so maybe we see God in everything he has made, and will make... therefore, God is everything... We are figments of his mind O_O The first thing I thought when reading that last sentence; "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality." Anyways, perception is what we see, feel, hear, etc. It is the use of our senses. So I believe if we pray or meditate and focus on God, talk to God, etc, then to some degree we perceive him. Hm yes.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:31 am
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson The first thing I thought when reading that last sentence; "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality." Anyways, perception is what we see, feel, hear, etc. It is the use of our senses. So I believe if we pray or meditate and focus on God, talk to God, etc, then to some degree we perceive him. I know that I'm going to sound crazy but there is some reasoning behind all the "light" and "love" imagery in describing what perceiving God is like. It's not just metaphoric.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:16 am
rmcdra Lord Kilo Von Mortenson The first thing I thought when reading that last sentence; "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality." Anyways, perception is what we see, feel, hear, etc. It is the use of our senses. So I believe if we pray or meditate and focus on God, talk to God, etc, then to some degree we perceive him. I know that I'm going to sound crazy but there is some reasoning behind all the "light" and "love" imagery in describing what perceiving God is like. It's not just metaphoric. Paul going blind...?
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:45 am
Qyp rmcdra Lord Kilo Von Mortenson The first thing I thought when reading that last sentence; "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality." Anyways, perception is what we see, feel, hear, etc. It is the use of our senses. So I believe if we pray or meditate and focus on God, talk to God, etc, then to some degree we perceive him. I know that I'm going to sound crazy but there is some reasoning behind all the "light" and "love" imagery in describing what perceiving God is like. It's not just metaphoric. Paul going blind...? Possible but I don't know. I do know this person who's hair literally turned jet black to white-gray after his encounter.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:41 am
rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Lord Kilo Von Mortenson The first thing I thought when reading that last sentence; "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality." Anyways, perception is what we see, feel, hear, etc. It is the use of our senses. So I believe if we pray or meditate and focus on God, talk to God, etc, then to some degree we perceive him. I know that I'm going to sound crazy but there is some reasoning behind all the "light" and "love" imagery in describing what perceiving God is like. It's not just metaphoric. Paul going blind...? Possible but I don't know. I do know this person who's hair literally turned jet black to white-gray after his encounter. That is intriguing.
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