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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:20 pm
Illbehonest.com: Its Not That You Cant Repent, You Just Wont - Tim Conway Cut Goliaths Head OffLuke 13:1-3 There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” My way on interpreting scripture are through a few steps. Observation, Interpretation, and Application. Repent means to turn away from sin. What is sin? Sin is what separated To turn away from sin, and to turn to Christ. And by being satisfied in Christ, I don't worry about how I look or how I appear. I don't worry about, "Have I done enough, did I do this or did I do that?" Jesus was hanged up on that cross to die for our sins, as a sacrifice, so that we might have peace through God. It's a free gift! Here's an example: If I murdered someone and if I went up to a judge and say, "I'm Sorry!" Will he let me go because I've said that? He has to serve justice. And there, Jesus comes in and he paid for what you and I deserve. We in fact, deserve hell. Jesus paid my hell on the cross so I can have peace through God. Now, first of all, who was Jesus talking to? The Jews. And one thing everyone should know, is that the Jews hated the Gentiles. Gentiles in this text are basically people who just aren't Jews. There is even an example from Jonah which showed that he hated the Gentiles so much that he disobeyed God to preach to them there. Jews at that time, had a lot of pride. They declared themselves superior to the Gentiles when Jesus in this part of scripture says, you're no better off! When we read verse one, the Jews are basically saying: "Jesus, Pilate has been putting the blood of Gentiles in our sacrifices!" Jesus goes and says, do you think you are better off? And He goes and says, "Unless you repent, you will likewise all perish." Folks, it's not just believing. James 2:14 says faith without works is dead. Now look, I'm not talking about works salvation here. Works salvation is saying, "Look at what I have done God, I've been free from pornography for 30 days." God's not impressed, and like a friend of mine said, you trade sin for another sin! Acts 4:12 says, there is no there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men[a] by which we must be saved.” Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me!" And He says in Matthew 11:28, Come unto me, all you who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."Friends. Was there ever a life where you were radically changed? I'm not talking about small changes in your life. I'm not talking about you just going to church, or you just saying a prayer. I'm asking you, what has God done to your life? Today is the day of salvation. Don't procrastinate. Every 1-3 seconds someone dies, how do you know it's not you? Repent and turn to Christ before it's too late brethren! It's not time to play games with God and lose your soul. Let go of that sin or perish. What profit a man if he gains that sin, yet forfeits his soul? And once that time comes brethren, the time for bargain will be too late. Don't be like those virgins in Matthew 25. They come up knocking, saying 'Lord, Lord'. And He goes, and says, truly I say to you, I never knew you. Romans 3:9-18 9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” 13 “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” 14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 in their paths are ruin and misery, 17 and the way of peace they have not known.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Matthew 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but what? but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. James 4:14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. If anyone wants to email me, my email is Borgarath@yahoo.com. I don't go on here as much because of trolls, but if you need answers. If you need help, then contact me. I check every day or every few days, I'm here to serve. Take care, and God bless.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:04 pm
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:57 pm
Indeed I've read briefly through what you've read, but again, faith without works is dead. I agree with all that has been said in that tract, but it's missing some important details. I have low bloodsugar right now, but I'll try to type this up. "Love so amazing and so divine, demands my life, my soul, my all." - When I Survey the Wondrous Cross. Zechariah 13:9 says: And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’” Jesus says, he who endures to the end will be saved. Enduring to the end is evidence that I am saved. But saying, I'm a Christian my whole life doesn't mean I've endured to the end. And if repenting from my sin glorifies God, will I not do it? Romans 2:4-5 says Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. Should I stay in sin just because I believe in Christ? Paul says in reply, how can you who died to sin, still live in it? (Romans 6) If we truly are saved, we should evidence that we are saved. But showing works does not mean you are saved. For example, here is a family of 3. The mother died giving birth to the youngest child. Now the youngest child acts all nice around the dad, but the oldest child sees the hypocrisy. The dad does not. Behind dad's back, the oldest child sees the youngest doing things he should not. Is that child a good child or not? (I'm speaking in worldly terms). It's the inside I'm talking about, for out of the heart, the mouth speaks.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:31 pm
According to that tract I'm not saved because I've never personally brought anyone to Christ. It says that people aren't saved unless they bring other's to Christ personally and some people aren't called to do that. I find it very insulting.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:36 am
Oh dear Mr. Chick, I do believe you've done it again.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:59 am
emorhconom esor According to that tract I'm not saved because I've never personally brought anyone to Christ. It says that people aren't saved unless they bring other's to Christ personally and some people aren't called to do that. I find it very insulting. That is not what the tract is saying it is saying that you don't except Christ as your Lord and Savior and fully depend on what did to save you and not your own works to save you you will not be saved it is talking about salvation through faith not by works Ephesians 2:8-10 King James Version (KJV) 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. I am not saying we should still sin what I am saying is our Salvation was already fully paid when Christ gave himself on the cross for us Romans 5:6-11 King James Version (KJV) 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:37 am
REPENTANCE AND GRACE by Cornelius R. Stam Printer Friendly Version When the sinner is convicted by the Holy Spirit of the seriousness of sin and of judgment to come, and cries to the Lord to save him, he has, of course, repented, or changed his mind, as the Greek word signifies. Many of God's servants, however, considering only the fact that sinners need such a change of mind, conclude that the way to produce the greatest results in their ministry is to stress repentance.
Such should take note of the response to the three great calls to repentance by which the dispensation of the Law was brought to a close: John the Baptist called Israel to repentance but was beheaded as a result (Matt.3:1-12; 14:3-10). The Lord Jesus took up the cry where John had left off (4:17), but was crucified for it. After the resurrection He sent His disciples to preach "repentance and remission of sin...in His name" (Luke 24:47) but Jerusalem refused to repent and it was not long before blood again flowed, as Stephen was stoned to death and a great persecution followed (Acts 8:3).
The guilt of Israel's impenitence increased too, as the call to repentance was intensified, for while John's murder was permitted by the people, Christ's was demanded by them, and Stephen's was actually committed by them. Thus the so-called "Great Commission" was bogged down at the very start, for if Jerusalem and the covenant people refused to repent, what hope was there that the "nations" (Luke 24:47) would do so?
"But where sin abounded, GRACE did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might GRACE reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom.5:20,21).
After calls to repentance had failed, the ascended Lord stooped down to save Saul, the chief of sinners, on the road to Damascus, in anything but a repentant mood. Not by threatening or dealing with him in judgment, but by speaking to him in the tenderest tones He showed him the glory of His grace. This "trophy of grace" was then sent forth to proclaim "the gospel of grace", and the merits of his crucified, glorified Lord.
This is why repentance was emphasized, indeed was the theme of God's message, from John until Paul, while grace, proclaimed through the cross and received by faith, gradually displaced it as the theme of God's message for "this present evil age" (Acts 20:24).
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:24 am
Ransom3d Indeed I've read briefly through what you've read, but again, faith without works is dead. I agree with all that has been said in that tract, but it's missing some important details. I have low bloodsugar right now, but I'll try to type this up. "Love so amazing and so divine, demands my life, my soul, my all." - When I Survey the Wondrous Cross. Zechariah 13:9 says: And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’” Jesus says, he who endures to the end will be saved. Enduring to the end is evidence that I am saved. But saying, I'm a Christian my whole life doesn't mean I've endured to the end. And if repenting from my sin glorifies God, will I not do it? Romans 2:4-5 says Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. Should I stay in sin just because I believe in Christ? Paul says in reply, how can you who died to sin, still live in it? (Romans 6) If we truly are saved, we should evidence that we are saved. But showing works does not mean you are saved. For example, here is a family of 3. The mother died giving birth to the youngest child. Now the youngest child acts all nice around the dad, but the oldest child sees the hypocrisy. The dad does not. Behind dad's back, the oldest child sees the youngest doing things he should not. Is that child a good child or not? (I'm speaking in worldly terms). It's the inside I'm talking about, for out of the heart, the mouth speaks. "DEAD FAITH" by Cornelius R. Stam Printer Friendly Version Nothing in the Bible is stated more clearly or with greater emphasis than the blessed Pauline revelation of justification by grace, through faith, without works. Romans 4:5: "To him that worketh not, but believeth...his faith is counted for righteousness". Ephesians 2:8,9: "For by grace are ye saved, through faith...it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any man should boast". Titus 3:5: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us". Yet James states, just as clearly that "faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone" (Jas.2:17). He challenges professing believers: "Show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith BY my works" (Ver.1 , and declares that "by works a man is justified and not by faith only" (Ver.24), since "faith without works is dead". Some have imagined a contradiction here, while actually there is none. There is a dispensational distinction, for to Paul had been committed "the dispensation of the grace of God" (Eph.3:1,2). His was "the preaching of the cross" (ICor.1:18 ), offering salvation by grace, through faith alone, to all who would trust Christ as Saviour. James, on the other hand, was an apostle of the kingdom, proclaiming the kingdom rights of Christ and offering a changed way of life on earth which had already been experienced by the disciples in Judaea (Acts 2:44-47; 4:32-35). Hence with James the emphasis is on works, not because good works can save or even help to save, but because true faith inevitably bears fruit and we can judge true faith only by the fruit it bears. Our Lord said: "By their fruits ye shall know them". Hence James' epistle abounds with such phraseology as, "ye see", "show me", "I will show you", etc. What we must be careful to remember is that according to both Paul and James, faith comes first, then good works. Faith is the root, good works the fruit. The absence of fruit indicates that the root is dead, that while there may be an intellectual assent, there is no true heart faith, and "without faith it is impossible to please God" (Heb.11:6). The source of justification is grace; the basis, Calvary; the means, faith; and the evidence, works. Think this through; accept God's grace and trust the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour and Lord. He will cause you to produce good fruit.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:38 pm
Robotic Chewie2590 emorhconom esor According to that tract I'm not saved because I've never personally brought anyone to Christ. It says that people aren't saved unless they bring other's to Christ personally and some people aren't called to do that. I find it very insulting. That is not what the tract is saying it is saying that you don't except Christ as your Lord and Savior and fully depend on what did to save you and not your own works to save you you will not be saved it is talking about salvation through faith not by works Ephesians 2:8-10 King James Version (KJV) 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. I am not saying we should still sin what I am saying is our Salvation was already fully paid when Christ gave himself on the cross for us Romans 5:6-11 King James Version (KJV) 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. That is what it says rather you like it or not. Please read through the text carefully before just posting a tract. I find it rather offensive that it says such a thing. It says that just because the missionaries didn't bring anyone to Christ themselves in 50 years that they aren't truly saved. About the topic James clearly states faith without works is dead. Works can't save us but we are still called to do them. Christianity is an action verb for we are not called to sit on the sidelines. This is what the orginal post is about.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:13 pm
Robotic Chewie2590 emorhconom esor According to that tract I'm not saved because I've never personally brought anyone to Christ. It says that people aren't saved unless they bring other's to Christ personally and some people aren't called to do that. I find it very insulting. That is not what the tract is saying it is saying that you don't except Christ as your Lord and Savior and fully depend on what did to save you and not your own works to save you you will not be saved it is talking about salvation through faith not by works Ephesians 2:8-10 King James Version (KJV) 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. I am not saying we should still sin what I am saying is our Salvation was already fully paid when Christ gave himself on the cross for us Romans 5:6-11 King James Version (KJV) 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. I'm not saying you earn your salvation through your works. Let me put it so everyone can understand. We don't earn salvation, but if we truly are saved, we demonstrate that salvation. Read that again and really think about that. I'm speaking to the lost lukewarm Christian here. They're calling themselves Christians when their life shows a habitual lifestyle of sinning. That's basically calling themselves a Christian Atheist. Oh since I'm forgiven, I might as well live hell bent and go partying all day. That's not what the Bible says. Romans 2, Paul says, "Should we sin more so that grace can abound?" He replies, by no means! How can we, who died to sin, still live in it? That demonstration of our salvation are in these verses and many others: Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Luke 14:33 (KJV since you use it) So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. And again in Luke 13:5: I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. If we are saved, then us repenting is a demonstration of us being saved. Not repenting to be saved, note the difference. Some people may actually repent and show evidence of them being saved, but eventually them covering who they really are will show through their hypocrisy and they'll just drop out of the race. And yes I just read your other posts, I forgot to say what my topic was referred to because usually when I do, people get prideful and everything. "Oh who are you to judge me? I have my own personal life with Jesus Christ. I'm forgiven through Christ, so I don't need to turn away from my sin." When in reality, their lives show no fruit of conversion. If they are saved, then they wouldn't stay in their sin if they were rebuked to turn from it. Some real Christians can be prideful, but in most cases, I've seen that they were never real in the beginning. James 4:6: Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Ezekiel 36:25-28 says: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:58 pm
emorhconom esor That is what it says rather you like it or not. Please read through the text carefully before just posting a tract. I find it rather offensive that it says such a thing. It says that just because the missionaries didn't bring anyone to Christ themselves in 50 years that they aren't truly saved. You have to admit, there's a fair amount of weight to what our copy pasta preacher is saying. The man in the tract is a preacher, right? What message do we have that is more precious than God's love and salvation? Not a single one. The very last thing Jesus commanded to do was go and make disciples, which is something that in an icredible 50 years they had not done a single time. We all know we can't earn our way into Heaven with works. That's well established. We absolutely must have works, though, as they are proof of us being a new creation. It makes you wonder about these two "missionaries" who never actually preached the single most important thing ever given to mankind in our entire history. Why would a child of God fail to obey his Father? Unless they aren't a child of God. It does seem that this couple was trying very hard to buy their way into Heaven. Comparing these missionaries to the Bible, there is zero evidence that they got the one thing that's truly important right. Love, which leads to obedience. If they loved God, they would have obeyed him. They would have taught his death, burial, resurrection. Physical needs are entirely secondary to that, right? Which would you rather have? A warm place to sleep (often denied to Jesus) or eternal salvation? Also, please, pretty please, stop with the Chick tracks. They're offensive on a level so deep that it's hard to not want to flip a table. Nothing is worse than "pray this prayer." You're better than this copy pasta stuff.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:41 pm
VK Fox emorhconom esor That is what it says rather you like it or not. Please read through the text carefully before just posting a tract. I find it rather offensive that it says such a thing. It says that just because the missionaries didn't bring anyone to Christ themselves in 50 years that they aren't truly saved. Also, please, pretty please, stop with the Chick tracks. They're offensive on a level so deep that it's hard to not want to flip a table. Nothing is worse than "pray this prayer." You're better than this copy pasta stuff. Are you sarcastic on this part?
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:33 am
VK Fox Also, please, pretty please, stop with the Chick tracks. They're offensive on a level so deep that it's hard to not want to flip a table. Nothing is worse than "pray this prayer." You're better than this copy pasta stuff. But everyoneloves Chick tracts! It says so at the top of the page! lol
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:40 am
Ransom3d VK Fox emorhconom esor That is what it says rather you like it or not. Please read through the text carefully before just posting a tract. I find it rather offensive that it says such a thing. It says that just because the missionaries didn't bring anyone to Christ themselves in 50 years that they aren't truly saved. Also, please, pretty please, stop with the Chick tracks. They're offensive on a level so deep that it's hard to not want to flip a table. Nothing is worse than "pray this prayer." You're better than this copy pasta stuff. Are you sarcastic on this part? No. You can ask anyone who's had this discussion with me. SinfulGuillotine VK Fox Also, please, pretty please, stop with the Chick tracks. They're offensive on a level so deep that it's hard to not want to flip a table. Nothing is worse than "pray this prayer." You're better than this copy pasta stuff. But everyoneloves Chick tracts! It says so at the top of the page! lol Well, nobody told me sad I hate it when they can't communicate
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:17 am
Gah, I'm getting online via a friend's mobile, and I had a nice reply all typed out and pretty, and right before I could hit send, the ENTIRE MOBILE COMPLETELY FREEZES AND GOES BLACK. I had to take the battery out, plug it in, call it from my mobile I guess to remind it that it's not supposed to freeze and go black. And eat my reply.
ANYWAY. Take two.
I think it's safe to say that while one is not saved through good works alone, good works tend to go hand-in-hand with good faith.
Anybody can just say "I'm a Christian." Just about anybody can make it to church every Sunday, too. And saying "I'm a Christian" and going to church every Sunday ultimately means very little. You can do those things and still be very un-Christian. But truly accepting Christ into your heart is probably going to move you to show your faith through your actions. True Christians generally have something to show for their faith. Is it their good deeds that will save them? Well, technically no, it's their faith that saves them, but their good deeds are the product of their faith, so as I see it, good deeds born from good faith makes the actions and the faith behind it sort of one in the same.
And just as an add-on: nobody can know where anyone else will ultimately go after death. That's His judgment call, not ours.
Also, VK Fox gets a gold star for coining the term "copy pasta preacher." Because that's hilarious.
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