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Saoszuc
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:03 pm


Okay, this is now an ANNOUNCEMENT so that alla yous non-posting lamers can at least see the sucker when you cruise on in for your monthly check-in. razz

Okay, so since I'm now apparently, by Tanasha's divine fiat, a mover/shaker in the field of getting the GG back in business, I open this discussion to the table.


Given:

The GG, as it stands, is a barely-functioning morass of meandering threads. This is a result of several intersecting traits, which are not necessarily all negative. These traits are common to most major GG threads. Most of these traits are also artifacts of the days of old, when there were no registered guilds and any mook with a keyboard and enough motor control to bang it could jump in a thread and attempt to derail. I shall elucidate forthwith:

  • There are approximately 1.8 members who bother to read and/or post. (Blessedly, literate members are more likely to stick with a guild. Thanks for the grammar, guys. biggrin )
  • Most threads are open-ended: that is, the thread has a general purpose ("this is the ASDF base"), but have no direction or "plot".
  • There is little influx of new blood - merely half-interested n00bs who see us on a search, put in a request, and never look again.


Objective:

Renovation, rejuvenation, renewal. The three Rs of any guild showing its age. I assume that most people are here to partake in the GG in an active role; I also assume that people barely bother checking more than once a week because new posts are such a rarity. That needs to change.

Methodology:

Reduce, reuse, and recycle. The three Rs of actually achieving one's objective. Hey, it worked for Captain Planet, right?

  • Reduce: If it's dead, prune it. Members who never posted? Get rid of 'em. Thread hasn't been updated since 2004? As Justin Timberlake once said, bye-bye-bye (bye-bye!). Might sound crazy, but it ain't no lie.
  • Reuse: If it's not quite dead yet, keep it around. Spruce it up. Get rid of excess pages, chop off plot leads that spiraled off into nowhere, that sort of thing.
  • Recycle: If it's too good to lose but too dead to keep, then wipe it and start anew. Summarize the salient points in the opening post and get things rolling again.


Implementation:

I propose the following ideas.

Reduce...

  • ... the memberlist to active members. Send out a mass PM stating that our policies regarding activity have been updated. If members still want in on the guild, they must post in a thread we will create for that purpose. After two weeks (or one? We can always re-accept folks who were on vacation and whatnot if they never get a chance to see the PM. Yeah, one is better.), we wipe the list of folks who didn't respond.
  • ... the "spammy" look. People are a lot more likely to hang out in a clean, well-organized environment. We've already got the right idea with the primary RP threads being stickied; however, this needs to go further: preface tags for threads (e.g. [RP] for roleplays, [G] for guild-related OOC, and so on), one or two subforums (definitely an OOC forum, and I'm sure there'll be at least one other topic which deserves separate categorization), and whatever else we can think of. This isn't such a huge issue right now, but I'm typing by free association, so it gets more words. razz
  • ... dead threads. If it hasn't been updated in a month, it's gone. However, the thread owner obviously should be contacted first and offered a recycling option (see below).
  • ... first post sizes. Seriously - a ten-page post is a lot easier to read in the heat of an RP session, IMO, than at the beginning. It's like a grueling endurance test you have to pass to be allowed entry into the thread. It works on ExDis, as that's how you keep the n00bs away, but presumably we're keeping the n00bs away with our acceptance guidelines. (More on that in a moment.) If something requires buttloads of description - that security system has to be able to keep out God and Ganale, y'know - then link it offsite, or hell, we can have a subforum just for long descriptions or something. Just get that crap off the front post.
  • ... unnecessary memberlist additions. Our front page is fantastic in its current form, but it needs something extra - a more OOC addition that details expectations of new members. We should require an RP sample for entry. Et cetera.


Reuse...

  • ... the "core" RP stickies. Clean out OOC stuff not immediately relevant to the RP at hand (e.g. announcements like "I'm not here next week" or "I wonder when she'll ever get around to responding?"). Hell, here's an idea: for future OOC stuff in-thread, there could be an OOC thread for that RP where people post their statement - then post a one-word (like OOC) link to that post within the main RP. That way the RPers would know an OOC was occuring, and where in the RP that OOC occurred, but the entire content of the OOC post wouldn't clog up the IC goings-on. ... I'm sure there are other good ways to spruce these suckers up and prepare them for resurrection.


Recycle...

  • ... the dead RPs. Good concept that never took off? Scrap the action, keep the concept, jazz it up a bit, and give it another shot. Thread owners should be contacted with regards to dead RPs about to be pruned out: either we can chop it, or you can bring it back. Owner's option.
  • Corollary to above: If the thread's good enough to keep as-is and just needs a shot in the arm, the action can be condensed into a few posts in the beginning to cut down the page count. Or perhaps just a summary of the most important points.


General Ideas:

We need to advertise - not just a recruitment thread in the Guilds forum, though that's good. We really need personal advertisement. If there's someone in another RP you're in - you know the kind; whenever you see her post, you're all like, "Hell yeah, another good post" - invite her to take a peek. Tell her we could use her expertise in keeping the ball rolling. That's the kind of new blood we want, after all. Open recruitment is like retail: nine times out of ten, the guy who just walks into the door is a moron, and he may ask you to help him find his a** (he might even offer the use of his handy map and compass).

We need to have alliances with other guilds. Especially if we can get overlap with several members. We can host RP event threads periodically, have inter-guild contests, that sort of thing. We'd therefore need a mod to be a liaison officer whose primary duty was inter-guild democracy. (Not it. xd )

We need some GMing on these RP threads. People generally do a good job of regulating action for themselves here - another artifact of the pre-registered-guilds era - but I think we ought to have a rotating GM basis, where every so often a thread member gets to crank out a new plot or event for the others to deal with. I think maybe a caveat stating that the GM's primary character should have only minor involvement would be good; prevents the occasional tendency toward making situations that offer great opportunities for glory and badassness for only one character. Not that we generally have to worry about that. smile Future RP threads should have the option of having a designated GM to guide the non-player action.

Here's an idea for some other future threads which I'll put here just to remind myself for when I make a new thread: a d20-sorta system for skills, attacks, defense, etc. - nothing so complicated as an actual RP system; rather, if a player is attempting something not guaranteed, he adds a roll in with his post, and the thread GM then decides whether the roll exceeds the difficulty of the action. Maybe just a little bit of extra spice to entice RPers along. biggrin


...

Who's got more to add?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:18 pm


BUMP - can I get some input here? sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:35 pm


I favor the creation of a d20 style system. However, since this is a forum we could go with the d100 roll without too much trouble - people think better in hundreds, and how often do you roll a critical failure on actions that are scarcely more than autonomic?

As for the rest, I say go for it.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:19 am


Well... d20 is just d100 minus the eighty or so numbers that nobody uses anyway. razz

I guess I'll start the process of arranging a PM list and all that jazz. Oi vey.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:10 am


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:02 pm


Perhaps we could split up some of the duties? I'll take one of my days off sometime a few years down the line when my kid doesn't need to be fed every forty minutes and do the memberlist pruning. sweatdrop Would you prefer to kill the unneccesary dead threads, or compile a list of threads for reuse / recycling?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:43 am


Saoszuc
Perhaps we could split up some of the duties? I'll take one of my days off sometime a few years down the line when my kid doesn't need to be fed every forty minutes and do the memberlist pruning. sweatdrop Would you prefer to kill the unneccesary dead threads, or compile a list of threads for reuse / recycling?
I'll probably make a posting of threads on the chop block and PM the owners with the options, then chop as necessary.

Ive got twin boys myself (16 months) so I understand the difficulty that kids bring in so far as being active, So sure, I'd be glad to help. I have a 12 hour shift today so I doubt I'll accomplish much today but I have tommorrow off, so I'll try and be as productive as possible.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:08 pm


Well, you're a better man than I; I haven't even gotten started in my duties here, save for this lame-a** long post. razz Plus, I'm not dealing with twins or a twelve-hour shift. BUT: I'm in Mississippi, so I have to spend thirty hours a day bemoaning the idiocy of my peerage. So I have some excuse.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:36 pm


Hey Initiative is initiative regardless...

Anywhose Ive just now returned home and am about to get some sleep, but I'll see what I cant accomplish tomorrow morning, I'm too beat to really make any sort of offical decision at the moment.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:36 pm


Quote:
We need to have alliances with other guilds. Especially if we can get overlap with several members. We can host RP event threads periodically, have inter-guild contests, that sort of thing. We'd therefore need a mod to be a liaison officer whose primary duty was inter-guild democracy.
...it? sweatdrop

My activity on Gaia though will likely be sporadic as all heck until late June. I'm currently in a 28 year old house in California that up til now had not been renovated except for one or two half-hearted attempts at painting...and now it needs to look pretty enough to sell for gobs of money. So, real attempts at painting, spackle, purgo flooring, fence installation, tiling, sanding, etc are all taking the place of Gaia and World of Warcraft (my other obsession) until we move out. sweatdrop

Suggestions: time to break up the various GG subguilds again I think. GA gets it's own subforum, ASDF it's own subforum, etc... That way, we do continue with the less clutter, and we also organize all location threads in neat little bundles.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:38 am


Ai Leen
My activity on Gaia though will likely be sporadic as all heck until late June. I'm currently in a 28 year old house in California that up til now had not been renovated except for one or two half-hearted attempts at painting...and now it needs to look pretty enough to sell for gobs of money. So, real attempts at painting, spackle, purgo flooring, fence installation, tiling, sanding, etc are all taking the place of Gaia and World of Warcraft (my other obsession) until we move out. sweatdrop


My condolences. o_O I hope that the "gobs of money" part directly involves your wallet growing morbidly obese, at least.

Ai Leen
Suggestions: time to break up the various GG subguilds again I think. GA gets it's own subforum, ASDF it's own subforum, etc... That way, we do continue with the less clutter, and we also organize all location threads in neat little bundles.


It'd be a good fix, methinks. I've got, lessee, 1475 gold as of this post. I wonder how much we have in the account...
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:57 pm


hehe...no...pretty much all I get are parents leaving for another state ...which has it's own ups I guess xd ;

1082g here! If we go with Griffin's suggestion, we wouldn't need to create too many subforums. (Gaian Army, Gaian Air Force, Gaian Fleets?)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:35 pm


Well, I just looked, and you've got exactly 10% of the total of the guild account - I figure the guild can afford it as things stand anyway. sweatdrop Someone needs to rouse T-boss.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:03 pm


You mean to create the subforums which are directly above this thread?

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Saoszuc
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:24 pm


Someone is the man, female avatar or no. heart

EDIT: I've moved the basic GA and ASDF threads. Found out that if a thread is stickied on the main page, then moved, it can't be restickied in its new location or it'll show up on the main page again as well. Shikata ga nai.
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