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Immortal Nobody
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:34 am


Baneling Busts work marvelously against a Forge Fast Expand. emotion_awesome
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:55 pm


Until the protoss learns to use forcefields. =p

But, this is all assuming the protoss scouted the baneling nest, which doing any real scouting with a ffe all depends on if they zerg lets you, or makes a couple lings. Then I can't scout until I get 2-3 zealots, but if they make even more lings I can't see what they are doing (chances are an all in since they are making lings instead of drones.). But then I pretty much am stuck in the dark unless I sneak a probe or until I get robo/stargate/hallucination (hallucination comes after warp gate, so that's usually pretty late)

Although, unless the protoss has near perfect forcefields, you're probably going to do at least some damage with it. Defending certain all-ins with a FFE is actually quite difficult, especially when you have no idea what the zerg is doing.

Onos


Immortal Nobody
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:09 pm


Well the Baneling Bust BO I use isn't really an all-in. It's very eco friendly (lol, eco friendly Banelings). But the thing with the FFE, I don't think there's a map in the current pool aside from Shakuras Plateau that has a really narrow opening into the nat. So even if the Protoss does have good FF's, he's still losing that expansion. At the very least.

But then, the whole argument about FF placements is a bit null. So he FF's and you can't get in? Pull back and wait for them to disappear. That's what it means to bait the use of that energy. And it's not like he'll get a force strong enough to stop you in that 15 seconds.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:35 pm


Immortal Nobody
Well the Baneling Bust BO I use isn't really an all-in. It's very eco friendly (lol, eco friendly Banelings). But the thing with the FFE, I don't think there's a map in the current pool aside from Shakuras Plateau that has a really narrow opening into the nat. So even if the Protoss does have good FF's, he's still losing that expansion. At the very least.

But then, the whole argument about FF placements is a bit null. So he FF's and you can't get in? Pull back and wait for them to disappear. That's what it means to bait the use of that energy. And it's not like he'll get a force strong enough to stop you in that 15 seconds.
That's kinda what I mean. It's up to the toss player to have good forcefields. If he does a forcefield rodeo on your banelings, then you've pretty much lost since he didn't lose anything, or at the very least just some minimal damage. The idea behind this is you have to do damage otherwise you're behind. Unless there is some build I've never seen that makes the perfect amount of banelings that allows you to do damage, but not be behind from it.

I'm not saying it's a bad build or a bad thing to do. Just that it has flaws. And I'm not one of the delusional that somehow think that "All-ins" are bad. Hell, I don't think cheese is bad. Everything has a place in SC2, and if it wasn't supposed to be in the game, it would have been patched out by now.

I could do the same about FFE. The flaws it has are the fact that it is easily killed off by all-ins if you cannot prepare for them correctly. And it usually isn't easy to just blanket prepare for anything, since zerg has many options. You choose the wrong one, and you are behind in eco, or just flat out die to another one you didn't prepare for.

I just like to point out flaws in builds so you can adapt and/or prepare for them.

Onos


Immortal Nobody
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:57 pm


From what I understand, the term Baneling Bust is used to refer to cheese or all-in. The build I use is this one. It's a two base opener that power Drones to start and then transitions into mass Ling/Bane. Even with FF's I've never had it not cause terrible terrible damage just because there's way too much for the Protoss to deal with at the time the attack hits (if your timings are good you move out at just under the eight minute mark).

Note, this build is meant to be used against Terran, but I've made it my standard opening for anything that isn't ZvZ.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:15 am


Immortal Nobody
Well the Baneling Bust BO I use isn't really an all-in. It's very eco friendly (lol, eco friendly Banelings). But the thing with the FFE, I don't think there's a map in the current pool aside from Shakuras Plateau that has a really narrow opening into the nat. So even if the Protoss does have good FF's, he's still losing that expansion. At the very least.

But then, the whole argument about FF placements is a bit null. So he FF's and you can't get in? Pull back and wait for them to disappear. That's what it means to bait the use of that energy. And it's not like he'll get a force strong enough to stop you in that 15 seconds.

shakuras is one of the better maps for baneling busting vs FFE if i'm not mistaken...

if you enjoy bling aggression, if you ever survive a 2rax opener, that build is particularly vulnerable to bling busts shortly afterwards because their tanks are so delayed ..

i don't actually bling bust too often because everyone i play ******** me over with forcefields whenever i cheese -.-

ecstasy frost
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