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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:03 am
LuciferianismYou heard of it? I haven't... I was on Dani Filth's page, and he said he is one.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:15 am
Don't know much about it but it's not Gnosticism. Early Christian sects labeled as gnostic were pretty much any sect of Christianity that St. Irenaeus and Terturllian didn't like. Next many of elements of these "gnostic" sects were appropriated into mainstream Christianity. The only thing all gnostic sects had in common was that they were matter-spirit dualist.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:17 am
rmcdra Don't know much about it but it's not Gnosticism. Early Christian sects labeled as gnostic were pretty much any sect of Christianity that St. Irenaeus and Terturllian didn't like. Next many of elements of these "gnostic" sects were appropriated into mainstream Christianity. The only thing all gnostic sects had in common was that they were matter-spirit dualist. I did find it strange it said it had gnostic origins...
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:26 am
Qyp rmcdra Don't know much about it but it's not Gnosticism. Early Christian sects labeled as gnostic were pretty much any sect of Christianity that St. Irenaeus and Terturllian didn't like. Next many of elements of these "gnostic" sects were appropriated into mainstream Christianity. The only thing all gnostic sects had in common was that they were matter-spirit dualist. I did find it strange it said it had gnostic origins... Because most people don't know what gnostic is wink . It's the whipping boy of those who need a boogyman and for new agers its whatever you want it to be. The only similarity to Gnostics is the belief that the serpent was something good. In the Sethian Creation story, the serpent was a child of Sophia, God's wisdom, who aided Adam and Eve so they could recognize the difference between moral good and evil and not be at the whims of nature and instincts, so that one day their descendents would recognize the Christ when he did appear.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:33 am
rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Don't know much about it but it's not Gnosticism. Early Christian sects labeled as gnostic were pretty much any sect of Christianity that St. Irenaeus and Terturllian didn't like. Next many of elements of these "gnostic" sects were appropriated into mainstream Christianity. The only thing all gnostic sects had in common was that they were matter-spirit dualist. I did find it strange it said it had gnostic origins... Because most people don't know what gnostic is wink . It's the whipping boy of those who need a boogyman and for new agers its whatever you want it to be. The only similarity to Gnostics is the belief that the serpent was something good. In the Sethian Creation story, the serpent was a child of Sophia, God's wisdom, who aided Adam and Eve so they could recognize the difference between moral good and evil and not be at the whims of nature and instincts, so that one day their descendents would recognize the Christ when he did appear. Wait... Gnosticism has manifestations of God's personalities or something?
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:53 am
Qyp rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Don't know much about it but it's not Gnosticism. Early Christian sects labeled as gnostic were pretty much any sect of Christianity that St. Irenaeus and Terturllian didn't like. Next many of elements of these "gnostic" sects were appropriated into mainstream Christianity. The only thing all gnostic sects had in common was that they were matter-spirit dualist. I did find it strange it said it had gnostic origins... Because most people don't know what gnostic is wink . It's the whipping boy of those who need a boogyman and for new agers its whatever you want it to be. The only similarity to Gnostics is the belief that the serpent was something good. In the Sethian Creation story, the serpent was a child of Sophia, God's wisdom, who aided Adam and Eve so they could recognize the difference between moral good and evil and not be at the whims of nature and instincts, so that one day their descendents would recognize the Christ when he did appear. Wait... Gnosticism has manifestations of God's personalities or something? Well yeah. They believed that aspects of God flowed forth from him in synergistic pairs called Aeons which represented different levels of understanding of God. When this pair worked together to contemplate God, they would create another lesser pair of Aeons. The lowest level of understanding was Sophia and below her was matter which came about when Sophia tried to contemplate God without her partner. Not only did she produce matter but also a false image of god, a craftsman who could only form what was around him but is unable to create anything. To kinda illustrate this, imagine a well overflowing of water. The source of this water would be God. Each of these pairs would be how far you were away from the source of this water and ground around the well would be the world.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:03 am
rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Don't know much about it but it's not Gnosticism. Early Christian sects labeled as gnostic were pretty much any sect of Christianity that St. Irenaeus and Terturllian didn't like. Next many of elements of these "gnostic" sects were appropriated into mainstream Christianity. The only thing all gnostic sects had in common was that they were matter-spirit dualist. I did find it strange it said it had gnostic origins... Because most people don't know what gnostic is wink . It's the whipping boy of those who need a boogyman and for new agers its whatever you want it to be. The only similarity to Gnostics is the belief that the serpent was something good. In the Sethian Creation story, the serpent was a child of Sophia, God's wisdom, who aided Adam and Eve so they could recognize the difference between moral good and evil and not be at the whims of nature and instincts, so that one day their descendents would recognize the Christ when he did appear. Wait... Gnosticism has manifestations of God's personalities or something? Well yeah. They believed that aspects of God flowed forth from him in synergistic pairs called Aeons which represented different levels of understanding of God. When this pair worked together to contemplate God, they would create another lesser pair of Aeons. The lowest level of understanding was Sophia and below her was matter which came about when Sophia tried to contemplate God without her partner. Not only did she produce matter but also a false image of god, a craftsman who could only form what was around him but is unable to create anything. To kinda illustrate this, imagine a well overflowing of water. The source of this water would be God. Each of these pairs would be how far you were away from the source of this water and ground around the well would be the world. I see. That is interesting.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:05 am
Qyp rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Don't know much about it but it's not Gnosticism. Early Christian sects labeled as gnostic were pretty much any sect of Christianity that St. Irenaeus and Terturllian didn't like. Next many of elements of these "gnostic" sects were appropriated into mainstream Christianity. The only thing all gnostic sects had in common was that they were matter-spirit dualist. I did find it strange it said it had gnostic origins... Because most people don't know what gnostic is wink . It's the whipping boy of those who need a boogyman and for new agers its whatever you want it to be. The only similarity to Gnostics is the belief that the serpent was something good. In the Sethian Creation story, the serpent was a child of Sophia, God's wisdom, who aided Adam and Eve so they could recognize the difference between moral good and evil and not be at the whims of nature and instincts, so that one day their descendents would recognize the Christ when he did appear. Wait... Gnosticism has manifestations of God's personalities or something? Well yeah. They believed that aspects of God flowed forth from him in synergistic pairs called Aeons which represented different levels of understanding of God. When this pair worked together to contemplate God, they would create another lesser pair of Aeons. The lowest level of understanding was Sophia and below her was matter which came about when Sophia tried to contemplate God without her partner. Not only did she produce matter but also a false image of god, a craftsman who could only form what was around him but is unable to create anything. To kinda illustrate this, imagine a well overflowing of water. The source of this water would be God. Each of these pairs would be how far you were away from the source of this water and ground around the well would be the world. I see. That is interesting. I do have to point out that Gnostic was not one sect but rather a category for many different sects that had some overlap but not much. Some sects labelled as gnostic had nothing in common at all. It was basically a slur. Edit: What I'm sharing is one of the surviving fragments from one of the sects, specifically a group called the Sethians.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:31 am
rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Qyp rmcdra Because most people don't know what gnostic is wink . It's the whipping boy of those who need a boogyman and for new agers its whatever you want it to be. The only similarity to Gnostics is the belief that the serpent was something good. In the Sethian Creation story, the serpent was a child of Sophia, God's wisdom, who aided Adam and Eve so they could recognize the difference between moral good and evil and not be at the whims of nature and instincts, so that one day their descendents would recognize the Christ when he did appear. Wait... Gnosticism has manifestations of God's personalities or something? Well yeah. They believed that aspects of God flowed forth from him in synergistic pairs called Aeons which represented different levels of understanding of God. When this pair worked together to contemplate God, they would create another lesser pair of Aeons. The lowest level of understanding was Sophia and below her was matter which came about when Sophia tried to contemplate God without her partner. Not only did she produce matter but also a false image of god, a craftsman who could only form what was around him but is unable to create anything. To kinda illustrate this, imagine a well overflowing of water. The source of this water would be God. Each of these pairs would be how far you were away from the source of this water and ground around the well would be the world. I see. That is interesting. I do have to point out that Gnostic was not one sect but rather a category for many different sects that had some overlap but not much. Some sects labelled as gnostic had nothing in common at all. It was basically a slur. Edit: What I'm sharing is one of the surviving fragments from one of the sects, specifically a group called the Sethians. Ah... I saw that mentioned... Also saw mentioned a few Semitic beliefs in there...
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:49 pm
Yes, I have heard of Luciferanism. I also am aware that it is technically a Christian sect.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:54 am
Jubilant Sunrise Yes, I have heard of Luciferanism. I also am aware that it is technically a Christian sect. Yeah it was a Christian heresy that popped up during the 12th or 13th Century. Though most modern Luciferians are pretty much theistic Satanists using much from LeVey from what I've seen. I could be wrong though.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:56 am
rmcdra Jubilant Sunrise Yes, I have heard of Luciferanism. I also am aware that it is technically a Christian sect. Yeah it was a Christian heresy that popped up during the 12th or 13th Century. Though most modern Luciferians are pretty much theistic Satanists deriving much of their material from LeVey from what I've seen. I could be wrong though. LeVey is atheistic satanism. I always considered luciferianism and theistic satanism to be synonymous terms, even though I already know it is improper to do so.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:01 am
Jubilant Sunrise rmcdra Jubilant Sunrise Yes, I have heard of Luciferanism. I also am aware that it is technically a Christian sect. Yeah it was a Christian heresy that popped up during the 12th or 13th Century. Though most modern Luciferians are pretty much theistic Satanists deriving much of their material from LeVey from what I've seen. I could be wrong though. LeVey is atheistic satanism. I always considered luciferianism and theistic satanism to be synonymous terms, even though I already know it is improper to do so. yeah I know that LeVey is atheistic but I wasn't sure if others did. I was including that more of for the benefit of others that jumped in. I pretty much do the same too so I get you on that.
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