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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:17 am
So I have three friends, all of whom are younger than myself that I fear are slowly becoming morally bankrupt.
One is sleeping with four different men (including some who are "taken" and have babies with other women) and she brags about it like it's some sort of accomplishment. Another will screw just about anything (including a few married men) and will even meet up with strange guys he doesn't know when he wants sex, and the places he agrees to meet these men (like the middle of the woods) scares the crap out of me. The youngest of the trio decided to conduct an affair with a married man, who's now left his wife for her. She makes excuses for every bad thing this guy's ever done (including abandoning his child) and she even disregards her own health when he wants something.
I'm beginning to feel like the people I love are headed for destruction, because this kind of irresponsible behavior can't possibly end well. My youngest friend informed me that I'm a bad Buddhist for having judgmental feelings towards Mr. Married Man, and I feel like saying "This coming from a Christian girl who's a home wrecker and an adulteress???" But I bit my tongue and held it in.
I love my friends, I really do, but I'm just at a loss. Has anyone else here had to deal with this?
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:48 am
Yes. There are a few ways to look at this. It won't surprise many of my friends that I was raised in a christian home and soaked up those teaching like a sponge. Deep down inside I really really wanted to be a good person and equated "being good" with "doing good things". This is a common christian viewpoint, and a huge reason many people who grow up around Christians and see them doing "bad things" are disillusioned with Christianity.
This belief, that people are good or bad... that you can be good or bad, sets you up for a crisis of sorts when someone you thought was a really good person does something shockingly bad...[yes, this has happened to me] or when you become disabled and are no longer able to do all the "good things" you used to. You suddenly seem to wonder what good you are. You lose value in your own eyes by your own standards through no fault of your own. [yes, this has happened to me, too]
In the New Testament, Jesus is recorded in 3 of the 4 gospels as saying: [Mark 10:18] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Now as a Buddhist, part of becoming enlightened is learning to let go. Let go of your preconceived notions of what is good and bad in your friends. Learn to have compassion for them as they make mistakes and for yourself as you suffer watching them make mistakes.
I offer this article from Thich Nhat Hahn for your consideration.
From: Peace is Every Step: The Path of Mindfulness in Everyday Life by Thich Nhat Hanh
In Plum Village, where I live in France, we receive many letters from the refugee camps in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and the Philippines, hundreds each week. It is very painful to read them, but we have to do it, we have to be in contact. We try our best to help, but the suffering is enormous, and sometimes we are discouraged. It is said that half the boat people die in the ocean. Only half arrive at the shores in Southeast Asia, and even then they may not be safe.
There are many young girls, boat people, who are raped by sea pirates. Even though the United Nations and many countries try to help the government of Thailand prevent that kind of piracy, sea pirates continue to inflict much suffering on the refugees. One day we received a letter telling us about a young girl on a small boat who was raped by a Thai pirate. She was only twelve, and she jumped into the ocean and drowned herself.
When you first learn of something like that, you get angry at the pirate. You naturally take the side of the girl. As you look more deeply you will see it differently. If you take the side of the little girl, then it is easy. You only have to take a gun and shoot the pirate. But we cannot do that. In my meditation I saw that if I had been born in the village of the pirate and raised in the same conditions as he was, there is a great likelihood that I would become a pirate. I saw that many babies are born along the Gulf of Siam, hundreds every day, and if we educators, social workers, politicians, and others do not do something about the situation, in twenty-five years a number of them will become sea pirates. That is certain. If you or I were born today in those fishing villages, we may become sea pirates in twenty-five years. If you take a gun and shoot the pirate, all of us are to some extent responsible for this state of affairs.
After a long meditation, I wrote this poem. In it, there are three people: the twelve-year-old girl, the pirate, and me. Can we look at each other and recognize ourselves in each other? The tide of the poem is "Please Call Me by My True Names," because I have so many names. When I hear one of the of these names, I have to say, "Yes."
Call Me by My True Names
Do not say that I'll depart tomorrow because even today I still arrive.
Look deeply: I arrive in every second to be a bud on a spring branch, to be a tiny bird, with wings still fragile, learning to sing in my new nest, to be a caterpillar in the heart of a flower, to be a jewel hiding itself in a stone.
I still arrive, in order to laugh and to cry, in order to fear and to hope. The rhythm of my heart is the birth and death of all that are alive.
I am the mayfly metamorphosing on the surface of the river, and I am the bird which, when spring comes, arrives in time to eat the mayfly.
I am the frog swimming happily in the clear pond, and I am also the grass-snake who, approaching in silence, feeds itself on the frog.
I am the child in Uganda, all skin and bones, my legs as thin as bamboo sticks, and I am the arms merchant, selling deadly weapons to Uganda.
I am the twelve-year-old girl, refugee on a small boat, who throws herself into the ocean after being raped by a sea pirate, and I am the pirate, my heart not yet capable of seeing and loving.
I am a member of the politburo, with plenty of power in my hands, and I am the man who has to pay his "debt of blood" to, my people, dying slowly in a forced labor camp.
My joy is like spring, so warm it makes flowers bloom in all walks of life. My pain is like a river of tears, so full it fills the four oceans.
Please call me by my true names, so I can hear all my cries and laughs at once, so I can see that my joy and pain are one.
Please call me by my true names, so I can wake up, and so the door of my heart can be left open, the door of compassion.
Thich Nhat Hanh
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:17 am
*gets a little dizzy from reading bandy's post* Oh my...that's a lot.
I can relate a little bit from this situation since I lived with a room mate once who was my best friend since high school.
She was a finicky one with her relationships to begin with but it didn't get really bad for her until she dated this one guy as a rebound and got pregnant by him. They got married bc of it which they really shouldn't have just for that reason alone but eh, what can you do. About a year later of mini drama's and other things they separate and she starts moving along to another guy, then another who was taken by a mutual friend of ours and that ruined a friendship and she had a second kid with that guy.
Fast forwarding through other things that are irrelevant in this thread; she continued to have relationships with other men WHILE still being "engaged" to baby daddy #2 and at that point we were never sure if she even divorced baby daddy #1. I slowly detached myself from my friendship from her after she had moved out from living with me because I just couldn't take being a friend to someone who didn't realize their destructive nature for being a wrong person as well as a horrible mother. Nor would she listen to anyone around her when people confronted her on these things to the point of legal authorities. From what I heard last she is now on child number 3 but with baby daddy #2 at least but she has gained a reputation for her lies, tries to be sexy but just looks slutty appearance and her loose ways with the title of "Blender mouth" because no matter what BS comes out of her mouth it can't helped but be spewed all over the place when she speaks.
The best you can do with these friends is let your thoughts and voice be heard in some manner or shape. I agree with Bandy with the matter that there are times when one needs to let go and showing compassion to a certain degree. Putting the religion aside if they don't respect you as a concerned friend and are not willing to at least hearing you out and considering those thoughts, then they just might be beyond your help. There is only so much you can do to help them but in the end they need to make the first steps to being better people. When I came to that realization with my old roomie I broke away from that moved on to other things including people who appreciate and respect me enough to listen to my concerns and are willing to bring to me their concerns on myself.
Breaking friendships is hard when you've known them for so long. If you can try finding them some professional help but if there's no helping it, it might be just time to break away and move on.
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