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Okay this is a rant, an abortion topic related rant but a rant none the less. To the choicers in the guild, feel free to respond in any way shape or form to this even though it's not abortion debate related.

Basically I'm done. I'm done trying to be so nice to people who in return turn around and treat you like s**t. I'm done respecting people who don't deserve respect and I'm done trying to be the nice mediator (as y'all may have noticed by now).

It's my own fault for going into the pro-choice guild, yes, however I'm sick of reading about this, that and the other thing that goes on in our guild. I'm sick of people constantly making fun of our side, and treating us like lesser people because of our stance. If you have a problem with something we have to say <******** PM the person that said it.

I'm sick of being told that I can't be a feminist because I'm pro-life. You know what I'm talking about Talon, darling. Feminism is about equality, abortion isn't. If you think that the only way that women can be equal to men is by having a medical procedure, or at least having it available I'm sorry you think women are so ******** fragile.

You know what? I'm a woman and I'm strong enough to believe that I don't need sex to make me equal. I don't need a man to make me equal. And I certainly don't need the right to kill my children, to make me equal. I'm equal because I'm me, I'm equal because I'm a person and every bit as good as any other person and don't you dare try to tell me that that isn't enough to make me, me. Don't you dare try to tell me that I need you or a ******** abortion doctor to be equal. All I need is my own goddamn self, thankyouverymuch.

And you know what else? If you have a problem with anything I have to say how about instead of running back to your guild, and complaining to all the people who are going to be all "Oh you're SO right, rock on!" you message me, the person that said it. Or are you too afraid that maybe I might enlighten you to a few things that you don't want to be enlightened about?

I'm sick of seeing our side go into a debate trying to be friendly only to be called named and harassed by the other side. We do it sometimes as well, however usually it's in retaliation. I've said some things myself, because I've been so frusterated but no one has ever kept it going on forever, or expanded on it.

Here's a tip for a certain someone (not in this guild, but I figure the message will get passed along to her) not naming any names, get an arguement beyond "You're a b***h, I don't want kids and all pro-lifers want to force women back in the kitchen because they hate black people." seriously, your arguements are bullshit. That's not debating, all you're doing is intimidating people by calling them names and acting tough.

And for our side, don't put up with it I don't debate on here anymore because I don't want to put up with constantly being swarmed. If you don't mind the constant swarming, fine, but remember you can't be push-overs when you debate. Don't mud-sling, but be strong and resiliant, and when someone's debating tactics resort to name-calling re-read what they've actually said because when you do you'll realize that they've really said nothing at all.

I already did. The power of MSN!

I'm tired of being treated like crud for having an opinion that differs from theirs. It makes no sense. What, am I supposed to let other people think for me? I don't think so, not happening. I'm tired of going out of my way to be polite. There's something they don't seem to realize.

In my mind, they support the deaths of MILLIONS of children worldwide every year. If someone supported the deaths of everyone under five to them, they'd be pretty ticked. They can argue it's not the same, but to me it is the same, and it is very, very difficult to keep giving people who agree with killing children the benefit of the doubt. I don't know why I keep doing it, because it's always repaid with flaming. It's a joke. They'll say things like, "Technically, you're right," if they know they've been beaten. They refuse sources that come from any prolife site but use Planned Parenthood as a source repeatedly. They'll also use statistics gathered from the 70s that were FALSE, and turn around and say our sources from the nineties aren't up to date. This isn't a debate. It isn't a civilized discussion. It's a pep rally where the object is to make fun of everyone who disagrees with pro-choice.

I've learned that if I glare at the link for a mere fraction of a second, it automatically has a pro-life bias.

That actually made me laugh. The National Abortion Federation might have a bias? Blasphemy! Abortionists are all for that information that might lead people to believe that they're children are children, they'd definitely report any findings they found to support that.

And the NRA would definitely report anything that found a corrilation between guns and gun related crime. b***h please.

To be fair I was critiquing a text they put out. But the first thing I learned in College 100( and yes I actually did take such a course) was to look at the authors and editors of every text to recognize bias before reading a word of the content.

I agree. It's no use trying to debate with them, when they keep calling us names. I think that when someone stops debating and starts calling us names, they have already lost the debate. It just shows, that they dont have anything more to say, so they start with the "Hey, but youre a ******** b***h, so your opinion doesnt count." (Even if it is backed up by facts.)

No-one should have the mark on their foreheads saying "pro-life" or "pro-choice". It would make everything so much easier. People could actually listen to ewhat the others have to say before they smash it to pieces.

Oh please, it's not the venting, it's the bashing with no purpose. Bashing not being "Oh they suck" but things like "Oh they can't be feminist". Please, oh please tell me why I need an abortion doctor to be equal to a man, I'd really like to know.

But of course you don't really post that in the pro-choice guild, just that we can't be feminist. You don't mind degrading us, but you won't give us a reason for doing it.