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 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:39 am
Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees.
Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:00 pm
Jeremiah 10 1 Hear what the LORD says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens, though the nations are terrified by them. 3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. 5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.” 6 No one is like you, LORD; you are great, and your name is mighty in power. 7 Who should not fear you, King of the nations? This is your due. Among all the wise leaders of the nations and in all their kingdoms, there is no one like you. 8 They are all senseless and foolish; they are taught by worthless wooden idols. From the looks of the passage is a prohibition against idolatry and cultural assimilation, specifically directed at the Hebrews. Christmas trees aren't "worshiped". They are decorations. Next Christians are mostly Gentiles. The prohibition against cultural assimilation doesn't apply to Gentiles because if it did, then circumcision and becoming Jewish would be logical conclusion.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:17 am
jaden kendam Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees. Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members. What's the point of christmas trees anyway? Killing trees, creating more work of no reason and making a mess. Have a christmas tree desktop like I do it's much more nature friendly. Same with thanksgiving turkey, easter eggs and 4th of july fireworks.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:52 pm
Socika jaden kendam Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees. Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members. What's the point of christmas trees anyway? Killing trees, creating more work of no reason and making a mess. Have a christmas tree desktop like I do it's much more nature friendly. Same with thanksgiving turkey, easter eggs and 4th of july fireworks. Cultural practice.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:05 am
Socika jaden kendam Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees. Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members. What's the point of christmas trees anyway? Killing trees, creating more work of no reason and making a mess. Have a christmas tree desktop like I do it's much more nature friendly. Same with thanksgiving turkey, easter eggs and 4th of july fireworks. having a pretty decoration in the house and something new for the cats to climb on. mine is a fake tree, it makes little to no mess and no trees died for me to decorate it turkey because its yummy and i hate ham easter eggs because painting is fun, i love boiled eggs, and why wouldnt i want to eat my art? and fireworks because they are pretty and make loud noises
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:39 am
Socika jaden kendam Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees. Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members. What's the point of christmas trees anyway? Killing trees, creating more work of no reason and making a mess. Have a christmas tree desktop like I do it's much more nature friendly. Same with thanksgiving turkey, easter eggs and 4th of july fireworks. Not everyone uses a real tree...
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:15 pm
Shanna66 turkey because its yummy and i hate ham easter eggs because painting is fun, i love boiled eggs, and why wouldnt i want to eat my art? and fireworks because they are pretty and make loud noises Thanks giving is a horrible holyday alltogether, it's a celebration of how white people slaughter native americans, and now each year you're killing millions of turkeys who I can't help but think represent native americans. Eggs aren't exactly the healthiest food around and you can paint golf balls just the same. Fireworks make loud noises and scare thousands-millions of animals, it is basicly animal cruelty. And fake tree makes a smaller mess but still a mess a lot of work and are you honestly saying that decorating t is enjoyable
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:18 pm
Qyp Socika jaden kendam Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees. Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members. What's the point of christmas trees anyway? Killing trees, creating more work of no reason and making a mess. Have a christmas tree desktop like I do it's much more nature friendly. Same with thanksgiving turkey, easter eggs and 4th of july fireworks. Not everyone uses a real tree... Fine a plastic 1, than you discard it after a year or 2 or even 15, but the tree willl still exist even when grandchildren of your grandchildrens grandchildren are celebrating their 100 birthday, and the justification for it is: it looks pretty 2 out of 52 weeks a year.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:24 pm
Socika Qyp Socika jaden kendam Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees. Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members. What's the point of christmas trees anyway? Killing trees, creating more work of no reason and making a mess. Have a christmas tree desktop like I do it's much more nature friendly. Same with thanksgiving turkey, easter eggs and 4th of july fireworks. Not everyone uses a real tree... Fine a plastic 1, than you discard it after a year or 2 or even 15, but the tree willl still exist even when grandchildren of your grandchildrens grandchildren are celebrating their 100 birthday, and the justification for it is: it looks pretty 2 out of 52 weeks a year. I do not bow to the tree, I do not say "Thank you oh great tree god for the presents!" or what ever. Yeah, I suppose in a weird way, putting presents under the tree could be seen as some kind of offering... BUT, I do not think so. It's only an idol if you worship it, like the Jews started to worship that golden cow, and Moses had to go up the mountain to get the Ten Commandments. It's a decoration, not an idol, unless you seen it that way, unless you WANT it to be an idol.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:39 pm
Funny the tree being an idol didn't even cross my mind, I just see it as a tacky piece of junk used for decoration that nothing good ever comes from.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:42 pm
Socika Thanks giving is a horrible holyday alltogether, it's a celebration of how white people slaughter native americans, and now each year you're killing millions of turkeys who I can't help but think represent native americans. Eggs aren't exactly the healthiest food around and you can paint golf balls just the same. Fireworks make loud noises and scare thousands-millions of animals, it is basicly animal cruelty. And fake tree makes a smaller mess but still a mess a lot of work and are you honestly saying that decorating t is enjoyable I don't care what it is a celebration of. I know what I celebrate as. Thanksgiving, is a day I give thanks to God on high for everything I have. I do it other days out of the year, but on thanksgiving and Christmas is the only time I hear my dad pray. Also, it is around the holidays people are more likely to give to a charity. Next you will probably say, hunting and fishing, which humans have done for thousands of years is cruelty to animals. What about harvesting crops, is that cruelty to the plant? Or is it better to let the people die that could have feasted on that meal?
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:07 pm
Socika Thanks giving is a horrible holyday alltogether, it's a celebration of how white people slaughter native americans, and now each year you're killing millions of turkeys who I can't help but think represent native americans. Has nothing to do with Native Americans. That's part of the cultural mythos added in within the last 60-70 years to white-wash the past for school children. It's a federal/secular holiday established by Lincoln after the Civil War for the purpose of giving thanks. It's derived from an English Christian tradition of having a feast to give thanks to God for whatever reason. Quote: Eggs aren't exactly the healthiest food around and you can paint golf balls just the same. Okay and? The use of eggs derives from the passover supper and the coloring of them derives from an old Christian legend of Mary Magdelene showing an egg to the Emperor which turned red. Or something like that. My details on the legend is kinda fuzzy. Basically the egg symbolized the Jewish Temple. Jesus is symbolically the New Temple and the red coloring is supposed represent his crucifixion. The pastel and other colors are an English/Germanic addition to the tradition. Quote: Fireworks make loud noises and scare thousands-millions of animals, it is basicly animal cruelty. Federal holiday tradition. If you don't like it you don't have to participate. Or you can petition your local government and community to find a different way to celebrate if you are that motivated against it. Quote: And fake tree makes a smaller mess but still a mess a lot of work and are you honestly saying that decorating t is enjoyable For my fiancee it is. She an art person though and enjoys making anything look out of the ordinary. There are quite a few people that do actually enjoy decorating and find it to be a bonding experience with family/community members. Also you don't have to celebrate any of these traditions/holidays if you don't like them, unless you are under 18 or live in someone's care that requires your participation. I don't think anyone here expects participation if they don't want.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:17 pm
Southern_cross_nemesis Socika Thanks giving is a horrible holyday alltogether, it's a celebration of how white people slaughter native americans, and now each year you're killing millions of turkeys who I can't help but think represent native americans. Eggs aren't exactly the healthiest food around and you can paint golf balls just the same. Fireworks make loud noises and scare thousands-millions of animals, it is basicly animal cruelty. And fake tree makes a smaller mess but still a mess a lot of work and are you honestly saying that decorating t is enjoyable I don't care what it is a celebration of. I know what I celebrate as. Thanksgiving, is a day I give thanks to God on high for everything I have. I do it other days out of the year, but on thanksgiving and Christmas is the only time I hear my dad pray. Also, it is around the holidays people are more likely to give to a charity. Next you will probably say, hunting and fishing, which humans have done for thousands of years is cruelty to animals. What about harvesting crops, is that cruelty to the plant? Or is it better to let the people die that could have feasted on that meal? Plants dont have central nervous system... Yeah i'd hope we've evolved to a point we don't need to kill as a ritual. And yes people have been hunting and fishing for years, but were we meant to? Just look your teeth in the mirror, all the meat eating mammals have long, pointy canines exept for us, now isn't that an undeniable sign from our creator that we shouldn't eat it? You do know that for every pound of meat over 10 pounds of plant food are used, with all that extra food we could easily feed everyone who'd starving in africa. So those holydays are cool cuz your dad prays than, does that mean a lot to you?
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:26 pm
1. Ok ty for ediucating me on the thanks giving all i ever saw about it was from movies, guess they misrepresented it. But your explanation still doesn't say why innoccent turkeys have to pay the price, you can just as easily stuff yourself with mash potatoes. 2. So yaay look at the pretty chicken babies dyed red! Yum 3. No 4th of July here, I'm just hoping my rants will maybe make someone think twice before doing it 4. Fair point
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:34 pm
Socika 1. Ok ty for ediucating me on the thanks giving all i ever saw about it was from movies, guess they misrepresented it. But your explanation still doesn't say why innoccent turkeys have to pay the price, you can just as easily stuff yourself with mash potatoes. 2. So yaay look at the pretty chicken babies dyed red! Yum 3. No 4th of July here, I'm just hoping my rants will maybe make someone think twice before doing it 4. Fair point Instead of complaining about what American does, maybe worry about your own country first?
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