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 Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:59 pm
For a long time I've been cursing God for some of the bs in my life. The only way for me to put it is to say that I love what Jesus did for us and what he teaches and that he was an altogether good man on earth. He, being half human, but also god's son, knows what it's like to be human, so therefore I have no issue with him, but I do not understand God at all.
I can't control my anger on certain things in my life. I feel no need to point out every pet peeve. I don't think God understands humans at all and it feels like he's constantly badgering me and punishing me for things I haven't even done. And there are times when he "lets things happen" as I was told he does for some unknown purpose. He lets poor get poorer. The weak get weaker. The injured to be more injured. The homeless to be persecuted. They say he's all powerful, but he just lets all these bad things slide and I sit here asking why he "sits on his throne all day, twiddling his thumbs, wondering why the world is so upset and why I get so mad when things happen." Is testing my faith every single day all that necessary? Yes, I believe, can we move on now? I don't like to chock it all up to "his mysterious ways." I'm the kind that likes answers. I can't move on when something goes wrong. That's a fault in me, hence why I'm even posting this. I can't let go of pain or anger, because it's just stupid stuff in this world day in and day out to the point where I expect it and dread it.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:15 am
I don't know why bad things happen nor why those that suffer continue to suffer. I have my beliefs regarding this but this isn't about me. If you'd like for me to share my views I will, but I would like to remain within your theology rather than come off as trying to push mine.
From what I can see based on your post, you believe that God is all powerful. Do you believe in free-will? If you do, then you would have to accept that God has to sacrifice some of his power in order to allow us to have free-will. If he didn't, then we'd be just puppets and the concept of salvation would be pointless.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:50 am
Well,>> i understand this post greatly.
I tend to hate on the belief very much (use to be christian)
Im now pagan,due to so many condridictions i found,and so on xD,i was like F this,i was tired of being a slave, and yadada.
I convert to paganism,now i felt guilty horrible for months,ended up finding the right path,and Freya Called onto me,(norse/germanic Goddess)
been happier though since i became pagan,life started to work out better and so on ^^,now im not saying Christianity sucks balls,and paganism owns,nah.
Granted the christians stole mostly from pagans,but point being.
Jesus/yeshua taught Good,and i learned from some of his teaching,and still hold onto some of the things he teached
But i admit when it comes to Yahweh/God/Jehovah,or whatever you know him as,i don't get along with the deity..i find the deity cruel..and harsh. Again forgive me,xD but the morals are great,and some teachings as well =D
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:45 am
Rei_Isayama Granted the christians stole mostly from pagans,but point being. Care to show where when and what they stole and from which pagans? Saying you are pagan doesnt give much information except as to what you are not.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:16 pm
deadmanjay Rei_Isayama Granted the christians stole mostly from pagans,but point being. Care to show where when and what they stole and from which pagans? Saying you are pagan doesnt give much information except as to what you are not. Very little info, http://www.exposingchristianity.com/New Testament.htmlAnd look into it more,doesn't take much effort,anyway im convinced the christians took many beliefs from others,just research xD
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:18 pm
*note before you jump the guns*
I said christians,not the Bible,though the bible has its condridictions and flaws xD
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:46 pm
Rei_Isayama *note before you jump the guns* I said christians,not the Bible,though the bible has its condridictions and flaws xD It is flawed, because it is written by many people... all with their own views of God and Christ... over thousands of years, then all stuffed into a book only a few pages long. And finally Translated, thousands of times over. The old testament had one message, Christ was coming. The new testament has one message. Christ has came, and he has died for your/mine/ and all the worlds sins so that we may be born again. To point out flaws is to point out flaws in the human nature and our limited understanding of God. I hope that didn't come out harsh... it wasn't meant to be and please doesn't take it as if it was
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:59 pm
Rei_Isayama http://www.nobeliefs.com/facts.htm I call bullshit on this site. What it's claiming as stolen holidays are cultural carry overs into the holiday. Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Christ. How a culture does that is their business. December 25 was selected for primarily 2 reasons: Hebrew tradition of annunciation (in this tradition, prophets die on the day that they were conceived) and to convert the Arians to Catholicism (The Arians believed Jesus was a man and prophet and were scholarly. They knew about annunciation so the catholics set Christmas to this date to entice wavering Arians over). Easter is the English name for Pashal. Pashal is the Greek name for the Hebrew month of Passover. The date of Easter is based on a variation of how Passover is calculated. It is always the first Sunday on after the first full moon after the spring equinox. Pashal Sunday is celebrating the resurrection of Christ. How a culture wants to celebrate that is there business. Yes crosses were not used by early Christians, it was fishes. Crosses are not exclusive to Christianity and I don't think anyone here is so I don't see what the big deal is with that. Quote: Very little info, http://www.exposingchristianity.com/New Testament.html And look into it more,doesn't take much effort,anyway im convinced the christians took many beliefs from others,just research xD I have looked into it. I was a former pagan who nearly became an atheist. I have a few learned and educated pagans who would also call bullshit on these claims since it devalues their practices by claiming such things. Considering that Christianity is a synthesis of Greek and Hebrew thought and very open to cultural carry-overs, I'm not seeing what exactly is stolen.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:08 pm
Southern_cross_nemesis Rei_Isayama *note before you jump the guns* I said christians,not the Bible,though the bible has its condridictions and flaws xD It is flawed, because it is written by many people... all with their own views of God and Christ... over thousands of years, then all stuffed into a book only a few pages long. And finally Translated, thousands of times over. The old testament had one message, Christ was coming. The new testament has one message. Christ has came, and he has died for your/mine/ and all the worlds sins so that we may be born again. To point out flaws is to point out flaws in the human nature and our limited understanding of God. I hope that didn't come out harsh... it wasn't meant to be and please doesn't take it as if it was I disagree with your assertion about the Old Testament but yes that is how Christians use it. The Tanahk is an anthology of Jewish literature compiled after the Fall of the Second Temple. It was compiled by a group of Hebrews who wanted to specifically exclude Christians. Because Judaism and all of its variants were believed to be dead religions and cultures by the Second Century CE, many early Christians felt justified appropriating it into their canon because they believed they were the successors of Judaism. On the topic here yes The bible is an anthology of Christian and Hebrew literature compiled together to support a particular theological view point. Since it is an anthology and came from different sects of Christians and Hebrews who each had different theologies, if one tries to read it as a cohesive book like the Koran of course one is going to find contradictions. Easy example: Ever wonder why Jesus in Matthew seems to contradict Paul? Matthew was written by Christians who were opposed to Pauline Christians and Paul's teachings.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:09 pm
Rei_Isayama deadmanjay Rei_Isayama Granted the christians stole mostly from pagans,but point being. Care to show where when and what they stole and from which pagans? Saying you are pagan doesnt give much information except as to what you are not. http://www.nobeliefs.com/facts.htm I found this website to be massive tripe. It doesn't prove that Christians stole anything. It doesn't even prove its own information. As for the winter solstice malarky. Christmas is in December because the Feast of Annunciation is in March. Christmas is nine months from the Feast of Annunciation. AnnunciationI am not going to get into that crap from the website about comparing Valentines Day to a holiday where you get teenage boys drunk and have them smack women with bloody goats hide. I am not sure how the author gets the wolf whose teet the twins suckled to "Christians stole this holiday!" Historiarum Philippicarum libri XLIV Specifically section 1.7 As for the part about the Pledge of Allegieance, I am going to have to call a "duh" statement as even the most rudimentary of all searches yields the McCarthyism bullshit that ran rampant in the mid 1900's. And Vlad? Really? Using Vlad to prove that Christians are bad or that Christianity is ******** up? How ******** ignorant can this author be? That author really needs to do better research than perhaps wikipedia or some other site that doesn't control its posters all that well. I am not a fan of everything that Christians do or have done as some members in this guild know well, but I'm not a fan of anyone else doing stupid s**t either. Especially obvious angstheist websites. I am actually irritated with that website. For a website that acts like it is promoting truth, why, it's no ******** better than Bachman saying the Founding Fathers freed or worked hard to free the slaves. Or that Buckland shitting on several cultures and religions in his books. Wait, him shitting on his own books would be a stroke of genius as compared to him actually writing anything relevant.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:12 pm
You also have to question the validity of the "stolen pagan holiday" argument when most of it was based on research done in the 18th century armchair anthropologists. They were out to "prove" that Catholics were really covert pagans and that protestants were the "true Christians".
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:14 pm
deadmanjay I am not going to get into that crap from the website about comparing Valentines Day to a holiday where you get teenage boys drunk and have them smack women with bloody goats hide. I am not sure how the author gets the wolf whose teet the twins suckled to "Christians stole this holiday!" I've been seeing that a lot lately too. I have no clue why this is now popping up.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:16 pm
deadmanjay Wait, him shitting on his own books would be a stroke of genius as compared to him actually writing anything relevant. I don't know who Buckland is, or why this statement made me laugh... but It did biggrin and now I do feel bad because of it.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:21 pm
Southern_cross_nemesis deadmanjay Wait, him shitting on his own books would be a stroke of genius as compared to him actually writing anything relevant. I don't know who Buckland is, or why this statement made me laugh... but It did biggrin and now I do feel bad because of it. Buckland is a crappy Neopagan author. His scholorship is non-existence. He's racist and he misappropriates from many different cultures to sell his books.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:33 pm
Southern_cross_nemesis deadmanjay Wait, him shitting on his own books would be a stroke of genius as compared to him actually writing anything relevant. I don't know who Buckland is, or why this statement made me laugh... but It did biggrin and now I do feel bad because of it. I would give you a link to his books, but then I would have to spend hours explaining why each one is garbage. Oh wait, I can start a little bit right now. His books on Mediumship/Spirtualism/Gypsys: Horrible because his sources generally seem to be chock full of bending cultures and religions over fences and using tons of appeals to cram it up your a** Uncle Bucky said so. Why, after the book Animal Speak by Andrews, I bet the Native Americans were just now sitting down without a hundred cushions, but then his book came along.
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