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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:51 am
Apparantly the prolife movement has one underlying goal. We nefariously wish to "create a society in which the only acceptable reason for sex is procreation." We find sex "disturbing" and wish to go back to the "good ol days when no one had sex for any reason other than to make babies!"
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/webzine/artsculture/art-060217-christina-page.xml
Oh and also we are all a "few energized crusaders hellbent on imposing their views on how we all ought to live."
I dont know about you guys but I dont remember ever telling anyone that "sex is icky!"...perhaps I've said that the original purpose of sex is reproducion and as such it is foolish to not see reproduction as a probable outcome of sex. But I have never said "sex is bad" because *gasp* I don't think that. I guess I'm not a very good brainwashed anti-choicer am I?
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:59 am
I must say I'm looking forward to sex. Very much. How can it be icky to me? It's a gift from God.
Better tell Terje that he has to stop looking forward to sex. From now on, it's all about babies and recreational sex is evil! I hadn't known that until now. I should thank PP for telling me what I think about sex, because without them, I might've made the mistake of believing I enjoyed it. What a fool I am.
*goes in for brainwashing*
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:30 am
Well I think I've found the perfect man for me. The boyfriend is prolife as well so that means he hates sex as much as I do! biggrin
Even among Catholics...yeah I know we have the no sex before marriage and the "BC=bad" thing going on. But in no way are we taught that we can only have sex when we want a child and once we're done having babies, we're done having sex. Or else NFP would be condemned along with the other preventative measures. It's not a sin to have sex when you're the least likely to get preggers. But if sex really was to be used ONLY for procreation and not just as a sign of love between the couple...wouldn't sex be permitted ONLY during the times when a woman is most likely to get pregnant? My parents are either very baaaaaaad people or they've got amazing willpower to abstain during the past 12 years. My guess is the former. rolleyes
Sorry PP. You're aiming at the narrow minority even among the religious right. The only time I've ever heard of a male refuse sex from his wife for that reason was in a movie..."Night of the Hunter" to be exact.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:20 pm
My lord, I hate it when they talk about how we're "Anti-sex" or "Anti-woman's sexuality".
That's blanketing a whole group of people as virgins, who will never want to have sex. And that doesn't make sense to me.
I love sex. I mean, I won't get anyone pregnant in the future (Unless something really odd and unexpected happens), so I don't know why I would say sex is only for reproduction. However, I do think that sex that DOES have the possiblility of reproduction needs to be dealt with in a manner in which all parties are able to live.
I mean, it just makes SENSE.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:37 pm
Mcphee My lord, I hate it when they talk about how we're "Anti-sex" or "Anti-woman's sexuality".
That's blanketing a whole group of people as virgins, who will never want to have sex. And that doesn't make sense to me.
I love sex. I mean, I won't get anyone pregnant in the future (Unless something really odd and unexpected happens), so I don't know why I would say sex is only for reproduction. However, I do think that sex that DOES have the possiblility of reproduction needs to be dealt with in a manner in which all parties are able to live.
I mean, it just makes SENSE. But to them, you don't exist. A gay lifer? You don't count. rolleyes If they can pick and choose whose opinion counts, I suppose they could decide something like that...just don't include the people that enjoy sex. Which would honestly leave the prolife movement a few energized crusaders, instead of the millions of people it has behind it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:59 pm
lymelady Mcphee My lord, I hate it when they talk about how we're "Anti-sex" or "Anti-woman's sexuality".
That's blanketing a whole group of people as virgins, who will never want to have sex. And that doesn't make sense to me.
I love sex. I mean, I won't get anyone pregnant in the future (Unless something really odd and unexpected happens), so I don't know why I would say sex is only for reproduction. However, I do think that sex that DOES have the possiblility of reproduction needs to be dealt with in a manner in which all parties are able to live.
I mean, it just makes SENSE. But to them, you don't exist. A gay lifer? You don't count. rolleyes If they can pick and choose whose opinion counts, I suppose they could decide something like that...just don't include the people that enjoy sex. Which would honestly leave the prolife movement a few energized crusaders, instead of the millions of people it has behind it. I'm a paradox, apparently, to them.
Or an oxymoron.
Seriously, since when does who I have sex with affect my opinion on any important issue?
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:15 pm
Its a hollow excuse to ignore some one they don't agree with.
Hmmm...I'm pro-life...and I do not hate sex. I love how soft Anita is...but thats a bit too far...I may have just broken TOS with that. But she is. Very soft...but most girls are. And her and I, both pro-life, plan on havign lots of sex. If I get her pregnant, then we will care for the child to the best of our abilities.
Sex is not some thign to take lightly, it is not for the irrisonsible and immature (and its pretty easy to tell who is being immature abotu sex), no mater what your gender prefrence.
Hmmm...but does PP really care? They seem to say they do, but when they incourage sex amongst minors and say the parents have no say (yeah, the blatantly say that the parents have no right to knwo what their son or daughter is doing when it coems to such a heavily mature thing as sex), I highly doubt they trully care.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:22 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Sex is not some thign to take lightly, it is not for the irrisonsible and immature (and its pretty easy to tell who is being immature abotu sex), no mater what your gender prefrence. Hmmm...but does PP really care? They seem to say they do, but when they incourage sex amongst minors and say the parents have no say (yeah, the blatantly say that the parents have no right to knwo what their son or daughter is doing when it coems to such a heavily mature thing as sex), I highly doubt they trully care. I know what you mean. This is a little off subject, but do you think it's true that they hide statutory rape? I've heard recordings of phone calls that really indicate it, but I'm not sure if they're real or not, so.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:30 pm
Lorysa Pyrotechnic Oracle Sex is not some thign to take lightly, it is not for the irrisonsible and immature (and its pretty easy to tell who is being immature abotu sex), no mater what your gender prefrence. Hmmm...but does PP really care? They seem to say they do, but when they incourage sex amongst minors and say the parents have no say (yeah, the blatantly say that the parents have no right to knwo what their son or daughter is doing when it coems to such a heavily mature thing as sex), I highly doubt they trully care. I know what you mean. This is a little off subject, but do you think it's true that they hide statutory rape? I've heard recordings of phone calls that really indicate it, but I'm not sure if they're real or not, so.I'm sure they do. I'm possitive of it actualy. There was a case where an older man raped a young girl, got her pregnant, and then took her to an abortion clinic and paid for her abortion, posing as her borther. I've also heard of cases where they have compltly ignroed some state laws that require a day's wait before actualy recieving an abortion.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:01 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Lorysa Pyrotechnic Oracle Sex is not some thign to take lightly, it is not for the irrisonsible and immature (and its pretty easy to tell who is being immature abotu sex), no mater what your gender prefrence. Hmmm...but does PP really care? They seem to say they do, but when they incourage sex amongst minors and say the parents have no say (yeah, the blatantly say that the parents have no right to knwo what their son or daughter is doing when it coems to such a heavily mature thing as sex), I highly doubt they trully care. I know what you mean. This is a little off subject, but do you think it's true that they hide statutory rape? I've heard recordings of phone calls that really indicate it, but I'm not sure if they're real or not, so.I'm sure they do. I'm possitive of it actualy. There was a case where an older man raped a young girl, got her pregnant, and then took her to an abortion clinic and paid for her abortion, posing as her borther. I've also heard of cases where they have compltly ignroed some state laws that require a day's wait before actualy recieving an abortion. I highly doubt that the entire organization does it; I doubt it's in the company policy. I'm not saying it's exactly isolated incidents; The way they describe things make it really easy to fool the system, you know? They make it sound like kids should be able to choose with whom and when to have sex at whatever age they are, so it's not surprising that they would be willing to "turn their eye" from someone who's obviously only pretending to be related to her, because it might be her boyfriend who technically is too old for her by law, but blah blah blah. They have a romanticized view of sex and abortion, so they don't consider the fact that he might be a rapist, or the fact that she just might be so young that, even though it's "consensual," she really didn't know what she was getting into. So, though the organization probably doesn't technically support it, individuals who work for the organization are willing to fudge a few rules "for the sake of the girl."
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:10 pm
Lorysa Pyrotechnic Oracle Sex is not some thign to take lightly, it is not for the irrisonsible and immature (and its pretty easy to tell who is being immature abotu sex), no mater what your gender prefrence. Hmmm...but does PP really care? They seem to say they do, but when they incourage sex amongst minors and say the parents have no say (yeah, the blatantly say that the parents have no right to knwo what their son or daughter is doing when it coems to such a heavily mature thing as sex), I highly doubt they trully care. I know what you mean. This is a little off subject, but do you think it's true that they hide statutory rape? I've heard recordings of phone calls that really indicate it, but I'm not sure if they're real or not, so.No doubt about it. I'm sure they don't all do it, but a lot of those girls are afraid of their parents finding out, and I'm sure a lot of them think they're helping girls by getting them out of the situation. The problem is, it allows the situation to keep going.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:11 pm
I have a hard time believing that opinoin. Escpecialy after my own experince with PP reps that came to my middle school once. All they talked baout was how great sex can be...as long as your responsible. What did being responsible invovle? Did it in involve mature desicians and fore sight with planing? No, it involved simply puttign on a condom, nothing more and nothing less. All they talked baout was conception, they lightly touched on abstinence, but that was because state law on sex ed required them to atleast mention it. And that what they did, they only mentiond that abstinence was the only 100% way to avoid STDs and pregnancy, it was almost as though they said it in passing. They didn't even pause to take questions, which I had quite a few of.
But, right after that, for the next hour, all they did was talk about the human body, the emotions you may be feelign now, and that you should always wear a condom if you actualy are going to have sex. They didn't even mention that sex among minors is actualy illigle. But, then again, you really can't reguelate that law.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:17 pm
Although...there were the two woman who paid a visit to our ward in the phsychiatric institue I had been admited too (a place similer to Charter...are they even still open?) They were...so nice...and all they did was talk about Abstinence. They practicly pushe dit on all of us, and quite of few of the other men their agreed...but it makes me wonder what they said to the girls on the opposite side of the ward...I like to beilive the same they said to us...but PP talk to girls much diffrently then men
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:24 pm
They might not want people in a psychiatric institute to reproduce because of the chances of the offspring inheritting whatever's wrong, and because of their parenting abilities.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:28 pm
I'd liek to think the opposite...but after reading quite abit about what PP stands for...I have to believe you...
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