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 Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:12 am
You heard right! A New Zealand study had confirmed that women who have an abortion prior to 21 increase their rate of mental disorders from age 21-25 by 1 1/2 times the rate of their peers. The researchers took into account the mental state of the woman prior to abortion. The conclusion was that "Abortion in young woman may be associated with risk of mental health problems"
Not suprising you may say, except for the fact that the researcher who performed the study was "pro-choice" and admits that hewould have been happier if the results had come out the other way, but to maintain integrity he was obligated to publish his findings regardless on their impact on his political views.
I got this source from Lexis-nexis which prohibits message board postings of their article. I can however send it to people individually. If you would like to read the full text pm me with your email and I will send you a copy.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:23 am
Now the question is... was it corrolation or causation?
Did the abortion cause depression?
Did the depression cause the abortion?
Was it a corrolation between the two that perhaps women who get abortions are already predispositioned to getting mentally ill?
Was it a corrolation that shows that some outside circumstance X is both responsible for abortions and depression (such as poverty for example)?
Sounds like it would be an interesting read none-the-less. Where did you find out about it?
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:57 am
Talon-chan Now the question is... was it corrolation or causation? Did the abortion cause depression? Did the depression cause the abortion? Was it a corrolation between the two that perhaps women who get abortions are already predispositioned to getting mentally ill? Was it a corrolation that shows that some outside circumstance X is both responsible for abortions and depression (such as poverty for example)? Sounds like it would be an interesting read none-the-less. Where did you find out about it? Lexis-Nexis..but it was just an article on the study not the study itself. Im sure it could be tracked down though...I just didnt post the lexis-nexis article because I'm afraid the CIA would come track me down(they're pretty serious about their copyrights) Like I said, they did take into acount prior conditions such as poverty, depression ect. If you would like the complete article I can email it to you(I'm allowed to have single person views, just not message board posts)
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:51 pm
Sure thing...
Talon@bobandgeorge.com
Also if you told me the title of the study I might be able to access lexis-nexis from my campus, the name sounds very familiar to me.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:43 pm
Talon-chan Sure thing... Talon@bobandgeorge.com Also if you told me the title of the study I might be able to access lexis-nexis from my campus, the name sounds very familiar to me. done.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:51 pm
Personally I've always failed to see the relevence of mental health in the debate. People's mental health is so fragile, people really don't even grasp it how easy it is to just snap, or go on a down ward spiral.
Like for instance my Aunt's sister (Aunt through marriage so the sister is only a relation through marriage) was an excellent student, was in grade 12 was doing her normal thing. However there is a LOT of stress in grade 12, you've got graduation, what you're going to do next year, if you'll get accepted into universities, money, scholarships, most people have jobs they have to do, etc.
This stress caused her to snap. Literally, she became severely schitzophrenic (sp?) and things happened like she'd see faces of people in windows, and she'd attack her mother because she thought she was someone else.
It was so bad she had to be commited to the Nova Scotia Hospital (mental institution in NS) and can no longer function in society. She's still there to this day.
Mental health is touchy and can swing both ways. Fact is, generally it's stress that causes people to snap finally (for things like what happened to the woman I was talking about it's called a "trigger" because she would have had something wrong with her to begin with but it just hadn't surfaced) and stress depends on the person. One person might stress over the fact they had an abortion and another might stress over the fact that they gave their child up for adoption and another might stress over the fact that they kept their child.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:55 pm
Beware the Jabberwock Personally I've always failed to see the relevence of mental health in the debate. People's mental health is so fragile, people really don't even grasp it how easy it is to just snap, or go on a down ward spiral.
Like for instance my Aunt's sister (Aunt through marriage so the sister is only a relation through marriage) was an excellent student, was in grade 12 was doing her normal thing. However there is a LOT of stress in grade 12, you've got graduation, what you're going to do next year, if you'll get accepted into universities, money, scholarships, most people have jobs they have to do, etc.
This stress caused her to snap. Literally, she became severely schitzophrenic (sp?) and things happened like she'd see faces of people in windows, and she'd attack her mother because she thought she was someone else.
It was so bad she had to be commited to the Nova Scotia Hospital (mental institution in NS) and can no longer function in society. She's still there to this day.
Mental health is touchy and can swing both ways. Fact is, generally it's stress that causes people to snap finally (for things like what happened to the woman I was talking about it's called a "trigger" because she would have had something wrong with her to begin with but it just hadn't surfaced) and stress depends on the person. One person might stress over the fact they had an abortion and another might stress over the fact that they gave their child up for adoption and another might stress over the fact that they kept their child. I agree, I just think they should let women know of the possible mental health affects of a pregnancy in the same way they do other potentially tramatic experiances(such as a leg amputation or something of that nature). I find it disturbing that the pro-choicers so often dismiss the risk of mental damage as an "anti-choice scare tactic" when in reality it may be very valid.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:37 pm
Talon-chan Sure thing... Talon@bobandgeorge.com Also if you told me the title of the study I might be able to access lexis-nexis from my campus, the name sounds very familiar to me. o.O What connection do ye have with "Bob and George"???
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:57 am
I.Am Talon-chan Sure thing... Talon@bobandgeorge.com Also if you told me the title of the study I might be able to access lexis-nexis from my campus, the name sounds very familiar to me. o.O What connection do ye have with "Bob and George"??? I am the great and almight Talon, ruler of the forums, dispensing justice with an iron fist! >> I'm one of the admins for the forums there. Been reading the comic and a forumite for just about 4 years (4 years this march).
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:34 am
Talon-chan I.Am Talon-chan Sure thing... Talon@bobandgeorge.com Also if you told me the title of the study I might be able to access lexis-nexis from my campus, the name sounds very familiar to me. o.O What connection do ye have with "Bob and George"??? I am the great and almight Talon, ruler of the forums, dispensing justice with an iron fist! >> I'm one of the admins for the forums there. Been reading the comic and a forumite for just about 4 years (4 years this march). Wow! That is really impressive. I'm a webcomic-addict, but I don't tend to frequent the forums... sweatdrop The only one I've signed up for is Snafu's forums, and I don't go there often. And, ironically, Bob and George I only know of as the first sprite comic; I haven't gotten around to reading it all yet. xd Hmm, maybe we should start a webcomic topic. ninja
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:51 am
I.Am Talon-chan I.Am Talon-chan Sure thing... Talon@bobandgeorge.com Also if you told me the title of the study I might be able to access lexis-nexis from my campus, the name sounds very familiar to me. o.O What connection do ye have with "Bob and George"??? I am the great and almight Talon, ruler of the forums, dispensing justice with an iron fist! >> I'm one of the admins for the forums there. Been reading the comic and a forumite for just about 4 years (4 years this march). Wow! That is really impressive. I'm a webcomic-addict, but I don't tend to frequent the forums... sweatdrop The only one I've signed up for is Snafu's forums, and I don't go there often. And, ironically, Bob and George I only know of as the first sprite comic; I haven't gotten around to reading it all yet. xd Hmm, maybe we should start a webcomic topic. ninja I only read two XD Bobandgeorge and eversummereve. They are completely on the opposite ends of the spectrum. BnG is the oldest sprite comic that has had an entire webpage dedicated solely to the comic (something like pishy penguin was around before us, but the site was a lot more than just the sprite comic). Ever summer eve is a hand-drawn (very very nicely done) comic about fantasy and mythology. Of course EsE can't be read online anymore in it's entirety without paying (I saved all the comics because I read it before the "you must pay for archives" thing came about)... but it is definately worth paying like 5 dollars to read it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:55 am
Back on topic guys! It's not even on the second page yet.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:23 am
That's interesting because depression can be an effect of childbirth. If they did their family history and checked out the girl's pre-disposition to depression beforehand and compared the likelihood of becoming depressed with the results then they may have come up with a pretty valid argument.
It was really nice of that guy to publish his findings and not destroy his reputation. 3nodding heart
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:55 am
It took into account preexisting conditions and familial background ect. Im not saying he was particuarlly nice not to ruin his acadimic integrety..just that he made a point that he was pro-choice and not particuarlly happy with the results of the study from his political ideological background.
I mention this because so often the pro-choice movement shurgs of mental health risks as a scare tactic created by the "lunitic pro-lifers who wish to enslave women" and this study does not fit that bill.
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