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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:31 am
|Trapped in your own frequency|At first I felt bad going on Gaia instead of using my class time to research for my paper, but then I thought,"Hey why don't I get these guys to give me some in put!" and then other me was like "Yeah!" and negative me was like, "You're gonna fail..." and it goes on like that for a while... ANYWAYS, I just wanted to know what you guys and gals feel about Internet Anonymity and weather or not it should be reduced. Who knows I might just quote you in my paper as a source... actually I just might cause I need at least one interview source, and goodness knows the people on Reddit or Meme data base can be ruder (ruder: real word? Google check didn't correct me so I guess it is) and we ALL know that no one is more informative than the Gaia community. But in all seriousness, I'd like to know where you stand on the subject. Just so you know I'm kind of Half and Half but enough about me, where do you stand? |Trapped in your own frequency|
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:15 pm
I shall respond properly after class...^_^
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:18 pm
Ruder or more rude would work, either way, though I think the latter is more common. Now with the language question out of the way...
I prefer having Internet anonymity, but that's because I keep my online life and offline life separate. I could count on my hands the number of people who've known me by both Ysavvryl and *real life name*. One hand if you count the number who'd remember it for very long. It's mostly a matter of interests and what I talk to people about.
One argument against anonymity is the lack of proper unspoken communication. When you've got someone face to face, it's easy to tell by their tone, posture, expression, and mood what they really mean to convey, no matter what the words they say are. In simpler terms, when someone says, "That's great," you can quickly tell if they actually mean 'that's great' or if they mean 'are you kidding me?', 'that's a bummer', or any other number of things.
On the internet, you've only got text, emoticons, and side notes to tell what a person's mood is. That quickly leads to misunderstandings, overreactions, flame wars that neither side wanted to start, and sometimes another user feeling hurt. I tend to use side notes myself *being philosophical about it*.
And then there's the whole matter of trolling. Since users can't see each other in forums, it feels easier to get away with being rude, obnoxious, or what have you. Having some anonymity removed would help curb those behaviors, as the person would feel conscious about being seen as bad.
Although I think education and a different way of viewing things could also help improve internet culture. As an example, I view my posts as being how other people are influenced to think about me. Knowing that someone out there is going to read it and form an opinion of me primarily based on those words makes me conscious to be careful about what I post. In fact, I changed my sig at one point to say something funny about critiques, but then thought, 'I offer critiques and advice a lot, and that might look bad,' so I switched it to something else.
Another thing this subject makes me think on is a study about a bagel company. They would deliver a tray of bagels to an office for workers to buy, but only left a box to put payments in. They found out that when a poster with eyes was placed near the bagel tray, they were paid more often then when the poster wasn't there. Knowing that one is being watched, even just by eyes on a poster, can improve human behavior. I read that in a book called Freakonomics; there's two and I don't remember which book it was in, but they're both really good reads.
Oh yeah, and I'm well known for lengthy posts! Hope I didn't bore you.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:13 pm
I'm going to reply to Ysa first...just because I want to.
First, I love the bagel story. Haha But...if that someone watching you is true...then sharing pictures of what you really look like would help online right? Or constantly seeing an avatar like we do on Gaia. So that would make certain places online less liking to get a bunch of rude people roaming around being mean.
Wait that's it. Pffthahahaaa
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:15 pm
I'm too tired to make it make sense...tomorrow tomorrow.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:16 pm
Ysa did a pretty good job of explaining things, but I thought I'd put in my two cents as well.
As stated, one of the major of the arguments against maintaining Internet Anonymity are that it creates a psychological distance between people that makes it easier for those so inclined to use it to verbally/emotionally abuse others. Not having to look someone in the eyes and actually see the effects your words are having first hand can enable greater cruelty anyway, and adding on top of that the idea that you're acting anonymously--that no one will be able to trace the actions and words back to you--may cause some to lash viciously out at others in a way that they might not otherwise. I'm sure you could find dozens of stories about cyberbullying and trolling (or you may even have some first-hand experience) that would support this. Not to mention the ease with which ***** can pretend to be kids in order to find victims, which is truly creepy.
On the other hand, would you really want to have to tie your real-world self to your online self? And, besides that, if we start regulating things on the internet (and forcing people to be transparent about who they really are would be regulation), where would it stop? At this time, employers are already background checking employees on Facebook. People have lost jobs over photos or statuses posted online. Granted, some of those people acted with less tact and intelligence than maybe they should have, but should employers have the right to punish employees for things they do while not at work, so long as it's not hampering their performance? And, if employers can dismiss people for things they post online, how much longer will it be before even a person's politics or life philosophy play a part in whether they're hired or fired?
I suppose it comes down to a case of safety versus freedom. For my part, I believe in educating people about safety on the net in general, but leaving it in their hands. After all, the US Supreme Court upheld the right to offline anonymity in McIntyre v. Ohio, why not extend the same right online? In Germany, internet law requires the right to anonymity. If we start disregarding that right, we'll likely end up trampling right over someone's right to free speech. True, some people will use that argument as an excuse to abuse the system do cruel, or even illegal things, but in the end that comes down more to teaching people to respect one another, and not to limiting their freedom of expression.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:41 am
That's it...I'm gonna respond to the others first...
First, I think that companies checking places like facebook isn't a good reason to reject someone or fire them...unless maybe they had two good candidates and need to find something that sets them apart or if the person was stupid enough to post a mean status about the company they work at. After all, companies don't want people working for them that won't fit into their ideal. I also think that it's the persons fault if they didn't set their account to friends only or something like that. Granted, I heard there are companies that well just go around that...but I think that's wrong and they should respect the persons privacy. Also, checking on facebook is almost like going to their neighborhood and walking around to see how the person gets along with others. That's a bit creepy. In short, I think it's okay to check up on an employee/potential roommate/etc if you really need to for some reason...as long as you aren't hacking into their information.
As for the verbal/emotional abuse to others...I disagree in a way. I don't think that's about it being easier to be mean. The Internet allows people to be true to who they are a lot easier. It's probably because you don't have to conform to societies standards. Thus, people are more likely to speak their mind or go around trolling others or showing off their artwork or whatever. I don't know why people keep focusing on the bad part. Maybe it's because they think that humans are generally good and wouldn't really want to be rude to others. But that isn't the case. They may seem more mean online because they are just being true to who they are and aren't as afraid to do that since they don't have parents to punish them or whatever the case may be. With that said, I won't deny the fact that someone dangerous can pretend to be someone their not a lot easier online in order to lure a victim. But we just have to learn how to be smart just like we had to when walking to a friends house when there were no computers.
So, I agree that people need to be educated a bit better about safety and then they can handle it how they want.
Oh yea...almost forgot... I don't think it's harder to communicate online. Instead, I think there are good and bad things about it...just like there is with communicating offline. I've been surprised with how I knew someone was mad even though what he or she wrote seemed normal. That might be me just being weird, but still. There are a ton of different ways to communicate online that might help. Also, you are almost forced to cool down before you even get into a conversation about something that upset you...in some cases. Also, sometimes body language can be deceiving. I think it's just a different way to communicate and yet another thing we must learn how to do effectively.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:08 am
Alright...on to the other stuff I wanted to mention. One might think that complete anonymity is someone who keeps their offline life completely separate from their online life. That would be wrong though. After all, why is there the option to post as 'anonymous'? Being Mr or Ms anonymous would give you the most anonymity but you can be tracked if someone wants to find out who it is. Granted, things like that would be harder to do when it comes to the average user; but still.
Even so...it sounds like we are talking about anonymity in general: so I will address that instead. For me, I suppose I am in the middle of the road with this one. I like keeping certain things private: name (last for sure), address and other important things that don't really need to be known while being online. Even with communities that are more open, like youtube, I would be like that. At the same time, I have met people in person that I originally befriended online. Usually this comes after knowing them for a really long time or at a huge gathering of some kind. So there is some overlap between the two. That doesn't bother me though because I have always been true to who I am both online and offline.
I tend to think of the Internet as an extension of my life. It's just another place to go, like the park, to meet people and do what I want to do. I know a lot of people separate their online and offline lives and even have a different version of them online compared to offline. That's fine if that is how they want it to be. There is nothing wrong with that and that's part of the reason why Internet anonymity is so great. We have more control over who we want to open up to more and what we really want to do. Taking something like that away would be like taking away our freedom to be ourselves. Everyone needs a break from the pressures society puts on us. We don't need more things to worry about by restricting anonymity online.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:44 am
Lol, no I wasn't bored at all, actually, I was really glad someone gave me some kind of lenghty feedback. It'll make one hell of a citation though but nopethe less great response. Haha, I get what you're saying what you're saying, waht you're thinking of is "Disassociative Personality Syndrome", basically if you give something a "face" ex. an avatar, you are more likely to take that person's feelings into consideration. Awesome. You pretty much wrapped up my paper in a couple of paragraphs. Yes, it is partialy psychological, although acording to some of the journals I read it's still being debated if interaction online can contribute to mental instability. But if you ask me the internet and "real-life" are slowly becoming synonymous and soon there will be no such thing as an anoynmous internet socialism, hence, facebook. This is so sweet, you all have pretty much given me a whole page for my paper as far as quotes go (way more helpful than SOME people on Reddit or 4chan...) Oh and sorry for any misspellings etc. I'm doing this from my 3d animation class, and gosh darnit, we don't have Google chrome on these computers.... 3dsmax... but no -bleepin- Google Chrome >.<
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:06 am
Ah is that so...^_^
Well, I'm glad our long posts helped you out.
Man...I haven't taken an animation class in FOREVER. Haha
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:20 am
You're welcome! I'm interested in Internet behaviors and socialization too, but more from a linguistics standpoint. Like how emoticons and other things replace unspoken language online.
Maybe you got lengthy quotes because it is a literate RP guild, haha. We're used to long posts.
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:30 am
Oh linguistics is interesting...
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:29 pm
   I||Happy Halloween, remember it's trick OR treat...||I Just wanted to keep everyone updated on the paper topic. Well it's going okay as of now, hit a snag here or there but nothing critical. It's mostly just a collection of notes, outlines, doodles(cause lets face it, people get bored) and pizza stains, or at least I hope it's pizza, anyways, my instructor is not too sure on me using some of the quotes and interviews I acquired though... Instructor: These are pretty good, where did you get them? Me: 4chan. Instructor: :U what now... Me: Trust me, only the "good" parts. And, that's when I showed her the site. Eh, just, well I'm going to need to find another source for my biased interviews. Pfft. Good luck she says.... <>
I||Happy Halloween, remember it's trick OR treat...||I   
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:45 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:34 pm
Could this help at all?: http://www.cracked.com/article_17522_6-new-personality-disorders-caused-by-internet.html
It's about the way people behave on the internet and why. If not, then maybe it will at least be entertaining?
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