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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:34 pm
I have this idea, im not sure if it will work, I like having philosophic convosations. I just want to see if i can guide a philisophic conversation. I want to be totaly un-bias and just see what sort of conclutions people come up with. I studied the socratic method in school, let me see if i have learnt anything.
You dont have to be interlectual to do this just open minded.
First question: What do you think?
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:37 pm
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Angelic_Illusionz Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:37 am
I think that most people are generally good (occassionally you do meet the creepy individual that looks like they have no humanity), but for the most part people are 'good' in the fact they don't want to hurt other people. Although I've been told how naive I am for putting trust into people so I could be wrong.
Good is subjective though. Some people honestly believe that I am 'evil' for being gay. Of course I think that's nonsense but it just drives the point that you really can't get everybody to agree on morals and what's right with the world. Because, there are too many people with too many different opinions. Everybody should adhere to their own rule of morality as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. But again, you have some problems there too. So nothing is perfect or right with this because philosophy is abstract.
There is a buddha quote about being right in your own mind internally and if you are, you just won't be nasty to yourself or others. I forget it but it's a good quote.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:18 am
I think thoughts that come and fleee as they choose and thus leaving no trace withing my memory of what i had thought, but always continuing onto the next thought with no room to breathe and never a space of nothingness in between.
Thoughts are both over and under rated. thoughts are all to frequent, but a daily nessity in life and should be used at every moment in everything we do. Thoughts are the fleeting beatuy of dream and the only magic that exsists in this world
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:01 pm
Solidify I think that most people are generally good (occassionally you do meet the creepy individual that looks like they have no humanity), but for the most part people are 'good' in the fact they don't want to hurt other people. Although I've been told how naive I am for putting trust into people so I could be wrong. Good is subjective though. Some people honestly believe that I am 'evil' for being gay. Of course I think that's nonsense but it just drives the point that you really can't get everybody to agree on morals and what's right with the world. Because, there are too many people with too many different opinions. Everybody should adhere to their own rule of morality as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. But again, you have some problems there too. So nothing is perfect or right with this because philosophy is abstract. There is a buddha quote about being right in your own mind internally and if you are, you just won't be nasty to yourself or others. I forget it but it's a good quote. So you believe that a good person does't want to hurt hurt other people and that is humanity (or part of humanity). Have you ever wanted to hurt some one?
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:10 pm
WinglessFairy I think thoughts that come and fleee as they choose and thus leaving no trace withing my memory of what i had thought, but always continuing onto the next thought with no room to breathe and never a space of nothingness in between. Thoughts are both over and under rated. thoughts are all to frequent, but a daily nessity in life and should be used at every moment in everything we do. Thoughts are the fleeting beatuy of dream and the only magic that exsists in this world Wow, Is it not amazing how we are so inconsistant in thought, yet we manage to create and sustain such truly solidly beautiful things like a whole language that can almost yet never truely desribe its creator (thought it self).
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:13 am
Have you ever thought about why you are you, and not someone else? and that, even as your thoughts fluury and eb, that everyonne else in the whole place also thinks as complexly as you do, and each may see things one way, and each have the same exsistance as you?
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:02 pm
I like Philosophy as well, I just wouldn't like this to turn into a "VS" conversation, as in liberals versus conservatives or what not. No politics, please!!!! LOL
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Angelic_Illusionz Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:15 pm
I like politics and aphorisms ^.^
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:58 pm
WinglessFairy Have you ever thought about why you are you, and not someone else? and that, even as your thoughts fluury and eb, that everyonne else in the whole place also thinks as complexly as you do, and each may see things one way, and each have the same exsistance as you? Its hard to think about how everybody else is just as aware as us, like trying to imagine the awareness of another person, we hardly understand our own thought prosesses.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:00 am
Ahlia I like Philosophy as well, I just wouldn't like this to turn into a "VS" conversation, as in liberals versus conservatives or what not. No politics, please!!!! LOL I think for now we could keep to non-political subjects, maybe we could just focus on human awareness humanity its self.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:02 am
Angelic_Illusionz I like politics and aphorisms ^.^ I love to hate them.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:04 pm
Quote: Have you ever wanted to hurt some one? Naturally, nope. However I do want a sense of justice in the world, for wrongs to be righted. If somebody has hurt me or the people I care about, then a fire inside of me goes up to fight them and tell them to back the ******** off. But I never look at a (presumed) innocent person and think 'I want to hurt/kill you.' Not all hurt is bad, sometimes you need to hurt to protect. But not in the 'I get a sick pleasure from decapitating puppies' kind of way.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:08 pm
When the Market fails, so does Alex's mind. *Nods, crawls into a corner and rocks myself.* Bank... Stores... Market... All Gone.
*Blinks* Everyone is innately evil, and we have to be threatened to be good. Look at every religion, they all tell you that if you're bad then bad things will happen to you, and if you're good then good things will happen. (Except maybe you satanic people out there. *Glances at Erin and whistles.*) If it wasn't for these things, the Human race wouldn't be where it is. Our economy would be in shambles, the world would be filled with lots of pain and suffering, all because our innate and first thought is an evil one, but because we're raised that good for good and bad for bad, we normally choose the good route. Or at least that's what this religion I learned about in World History talked about. I'm not too sure if I believe that, but I do believe in the Three Fold rule ^.^
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Angelic_Illusionz Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:45 pm
Eh, I don't agree that everybody is innately evil, although we're more instinctual and predictable than we like to think. We use religon to give ourselves meaning and purpose when really we're probably juts animals. I don't think religion threatens you to be good unless you have a weak enough mind to be manipulated like that. I think religion/spirituality can be very positive if you use it for the right reasons.
I think you just choose to be good, for your own reasons and your own morals and it's not really 'goodness' if it's something you can't own up to.
We're pleasantly neutral when we're born...and pretty helpless for the most part. That's how the 'innocent, poor poor humans' started to develop I think. A lot of lifeforms immediately go off on their own as soon as they hatch from the egg. But we spend so many years in adolescence...and some people never truly leave it.
The first thought I have isn't an evil one. It's usually a sexual or selfish one yes, but those aren't 'evil.'
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