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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:48 pm


What's your take on the Occupy Wall Street movement?

My only fear is that this doesn't lead to a new civil war, but I do hope they bring the change that the US desperately needs.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:26 pm


if anything, I think it will just be like the Women's and African American right movements.... or should I say, I hope it is like them and doesn't become a war.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:56 am


A lot of the poeple I know in life complain a lot about corporate greed. They still sign payment agreements, shop at Wal-Mart and buy foreign goods. They're not really helping much. As for me, I'm doing more shopping at small local businesses and refusing to do business and payment agreements with a lot of larger corporations. It's not a boycot mind you, but I guess what they're doing with Wall Street is serving it's purpose. For some of those people, that's probably the most effective and direct way they can approach the problem.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:02 pm


I have doubts that this will lead to a civil war, but I must admit I don't know the details. I just get the feeling from everything I've heard that it will be just like protests we've had in the past. It will either be heard or ignored and handled according to which.

However, on the topic of civil war, most of our founding fathers at this point would already have picked up guns and declared new government. Because it isn't fair, it's strayed from the original intent, and breaks it's own laws. If we do end up going that way I'll be on the rebelling side.

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I have a question... where do you find this information?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:38 pm


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I have a question... where do you find this information?
You mean the article? I was just a bored and decided to see what was going on with the Progressive Christian Alliance this week. I was it on their homepage.
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Southern_cross_nemesis
I have a question... where do you find this information?
You mean the article? I was just a bored and decided to see what was going on with the Progressive Christian Alliance this week. I was it on their homepage.
I was more meaning all your websites you put up. I look for stuff and get nothing I want.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:03 pm


Southern_cross_nemesis
I was more meaning all your websites you put up. I look for stuff and get nothing I want.
Good research skills that I learned from my university. Keywords are the big thing. Practice and you'll get better with it over time.

Like the Halloween article, I just typed in "Halloween is not Pagan" and after sifting through the sites listed on the first or second page, I came across it. I had already known that Halloween as we know it was mostly American in origin and the misinformation was mostly a result of anti-Catholic bigotry. I knew that All Hallow's Eve was celebrated in Ireland, maybe England but not in other parts of Europe. I knew that All Saint's Day wasn't part of the Church Calendar until after 900-ish CE. If an article contradicts these facts I knew and could confirm, then it wasn't worth further reading.

When searching for religious history information try to take most of it with a grain of salt since it's definitely going to be prone to bias, especially if it's not from a scholarly source. Religion (and for some irreligion) is something people get emotionally invested in thus is going to riddled with rationalizations that does contradict other historic facts. Classic examples of this are Ancient Gnostics weren't Christians, Science and Religion are enemies, Religion is the cause of all wars, All Christian Holidays are pagan in origin, Paul was a misogynist etc...

I have a tier of trust when it comes to internet research.
1. Dry facts. Facts that are as dry as possible of political, social, and cultural biases as possible.

2. Scholarly research. History is one of the areas in academics that is going to be biased since we are hardwired to readily put trust in information that conforms to what we value and to reject information that conflicts with what we value. (Creation "science" is perfect example of this). Scholars are not only trained in how to overcome this bias but they are peer reviewed. If it fails peer review, it's usually poor research. Most scholarly research as a string of sources on can look back on to trace where they get their information from. The more recent the scholarly info, generally the better quality it is.

3. Blogs. These can be good sources of information but because they lack the peer review process, they are going to be riddled with biases that may contradict known facts either because of not knowing better or in worse cases out right lying. May or may not have sources listed, may rely on outdated sources. Any religious study or history article that relies on studies from the 1800's is out of date and more about promoting Protestant European Superiority.

4. Conspiracy theories. The least credible of all sources but often a good starting point since they usually hold a grain of truth to them, else they wouldn't believe the garbage they produce. These range anywhere from Jesus is a green lizard man from Mars to Jack Chick tracts. Seriously though, for the sake of sanity I would avoid these sort sites. There is some bat s**t crazy stuff that if you are in the wrong frame of mind and don't fact check with others, you could easily end up believing.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:27 am


I've seen it suggested that Occupy Wall Street has all ready shifted the political dialogue.

Beyond even the moral concerns of the income divide, my father was recently mentioning a book he was reading... essentially outlining that when this much wealth is consolidated at the top there simply isn't enough in circulation to keep the economy running strong. That strangely enough, if the wealthiest few had a bit less, the boost to the economy would mean they were actually _better_ off. Talk about really turning trickldown economics on its ear.

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