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 Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:39 pm
wahmbulance Do not read unless you've seen the last episode. wahmbulance
First one here! Now I get to post the response thread:
Well, what did we think? Was it what we expected? Were we left feeling disappointed? What about the upcoming season, and the "question" - no pun intended - left unanswered? Will Rory ever stop dying?
I knew the Doctor would figure out some clever way, something like a pun, to keep the fixed point in time fixed without dying.
Other things I thought about the episode, off the top of my head: I'm glad Amy finally mentioned something about being robbed of her baby's childhood. I had no idea how much River loved the Doctor (her saying that the whole universe wouldn't suffer as much as her if she had to kill the Doctor was a powerful statement). I was disappointed that he didn't really tell her his name - but I suppose that has to be left open so that the "question" can remain ominous.
Now the Silence think that they've avoided the question being asked because they've arranged for the Doctor to be killed - which also happened to be a fixed point in time (ish).
Does anyone else feel like they have to take notes to keep everything straight? emotion_bigvein
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:37 pm
I was actually quite pleased with it. We got a nice dose of wibbly-wobbley timey-wimey-ness, as well as some proper adventuring and mindf**kery. I was so glad that he didn't use a Ganger; I'd always thought was a red herring, plus it would have been a bit hypocritical and rather unethical.
The Teselecta was a bit...meh, but I was still OK with it. That also explains why he didn't have the TARDIS in Utah: it was on board the Teselecta! The only plot hole I could spot was why it started regenerating, but with a little suspension of disbelief, one could just assume that the Teselecta would be capable of imitating the process.
The wedding bit felt a bit off to me, somehow. Like the Doctor was fulfilling a duty as opposed to actually marrying River willingly, or because he legitimately loved her. I also felt that River was kind of selfish when she claimed her pain would be greater than that of the entire universe. I get that it was supposed to be romantic, but it jut came across as obnoxious to me. Still, I loved Amy's realization of the fact that she was now the Doctor's mother-in-law. lol
I burst out laughing when the Silence pointed out Rory's constant deaths. That was a bit awesome. rofl Also, I adored that they recognized the Brigadier's death, and how it contributed to the Doctor realizing it was time to stop. That made me tear up a bit.
And although I've always had mixed feelings on Amy, I really liked how she acknowledged that she had, in fact, killed someone, and that she also felt some remorse from it. It gave her character loads more depth.
Whew! That was a lot to cover. Overall, I'd give it a 4.5/5. Pretty damn awesome.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:36 am
I was shocked at the Teselecta twist. I thought it was going to be the flesh!
The question was surpriseing. I guess I should have known when they said it was in plain sight.
Love the Doctor and River! So Romantic!
I give this episode a 5/5. Totally genius Stephen Moffet. Your getting the idea!
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:36 am
The answer is: His name. It's obvious. Something so awesome that the universe will either flee or love him. And what about the new daleks? I want to see more of them. And his daughter....
When River showed up at Amy's house, I thought it was cute. That and when Amy and Captain Williams were walking down the hall. Amy: We should get a drink later. Rory: Okay. Amy: And get married. Rory: Okay.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:08 am
I also keep laughing whenever the Silence mentions Rory's deaths in every other episode in this episode. I knew it would be the Teselecta ever since they asked if there was anything else they could do. I also guessed that he might have set up with the ressurrection potions they used to bring back the Master, with the kiss with River being the final biological signature. However, I thought the Teselecta was more likely.
I was kind of shocked by the question. I still want to know ow that is the oldest question. I mean, aren't there others who were alive before the Doctor, who were bound to have asked different questions other than "Doctor Who?" Even so, I liked that.
I give the episode a 5/5. Rock on, Steven Moffat!
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:24 am
Okay. To list all of my random happinesses with this episode would take forever. So, I'll just put it like this:
Steven Moffat, you genius. You managed to give me something to be happy about as a season's end. If you're writing the Christmas 2011 episode, you better not mess it up...
Just kidding. Anyway, I found this episode to be, as I said earlier, AMAZING. I personally had NOT seen the Tesselecta coming, but I should have, in hindsight. I personally had thought that the Doctor would have to use the Elixirs of Life with the biological signature, but I would have been dissapointed the Doctor had to use them so early. Anyway, I loved the question, though I personally thought it was a bit confusing as to why 'Doctor Who?' was the oldest question. There are a lot of beings older than the Doctor. But, if you think about it (actually, this is my train of thought), the most of the beings older than the Doctor are either, one, dead, or B, a Time Lord, which (since all of them are trapped in the Time War) is the equivalent of being dead.
A final lingering question: What happened to the wine bottle that the Doctor never put down when he went to talk to River in the astronaut suit?
Anyway, 5/5 stars. Keep up the good work!
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:28 pm
You all forgot the key element to the question.
He has a Tardis, he can go back pretty far in time. J/s
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:46 pm
The show was genius
I was thinking he'd use the flesh, but y'know, im happy he didnt.
River/Melody knew about the Teselita...im just gonna call it Tess. much easier, I cant spell it like Moffat does....>_<
Anyway, but she knew about it and so it made compleate sence, plus the flesh would be unstable and would be harder to control
Now, the wedding part, That was a lil unsettling but romantic.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:09 pm
Miss Marinara Sauce The Teselecta was a bit...meh, but I was still OK with it. I know what you mean. I was hoping for something a bit more radical. Some sort of time hiccup or something, so that he would still die but come back to life or still somehow be alive. Quote: The wedding bit felt a bit off to me, somehow. Like the Doctor was fulfilling a duty as opposed to actually marrying River willingly, or because he legitimately loved her. I felt that way, too. The Doctor said he didn't want to marry her. But maybe he was saying that to tick her off and get her to kill him. sweatdrop I think he does love her however, differently, perhaps more than, anyone else, but he's not the marrying type, is he? Quote: I also felt that River was kind of selfish when she claimed her pain would be greater than that of the entire universe. I get that it was supposed to be romantic, but it jut came across as obnoxious to me. I know I should feel this way, but for some reason I don't. Maybe because it fits with her personality. Everything River does is kind of BIG. She never does anything half-heartedly. While we know it's impossible that one person's suffering could overshadow the suffering of the whole universe, I feel like she's speaking from the heart, passionately, and that's the only way she could communicate how much it would hurt her. Anyway, that's all just rationalization for why that part didn't bother me; I'm not exactly sure why it didn't. River's just kind of a huge exception for me, in every way. Not the type of character I'd ordinarily like. Usually I couldn't stand a person like that. Quote: I adored that they recognized the Brigadier's death, and how it contributed to the Doctor realizing it was time to stop. Who was the Brigadier? I don't know or don't remember.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:13 pm
Magma Fyre The answer is: His name. It's obvious. Something so awesome that the universe will either flee or love him.
The question asked since the beginning of time . . . c;
But it's not the answer that matters, it's the question, right?
He's not supposed to ask the question . . . Hmmmm.
Hidden in plain sight; gotta love it!
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:18 pm
Tekketsu I was kind of shocked by the question. I still want to know ow that is the oldest question. I mean, aren't there others who were alive before the Doctor, who were bound to have asked different questions other than "Doctor Who?"
I'm guessing that since he travels in time, he's been back to the very beginning,
and so the question is present there as much as it is later.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:21 pm
Lorelei Sonafaire I personally had thought that the Doctor would have to use the Elixirs of Life with the biological signature, but I would have been dissapointed the Doctor had to use them so early.
I think I would have preferred that, actually.
Now that we know it was the Doctor inside the Tesselecta the whole time,
the wedding, the kiss, his promise to forgive her "always and completely"
has less meaning. emotion_donotwant
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:22 pm
lXl Tempus Temporis lXl You all forgot the key element to the question. He has a Tardis, he can go back pretty far in time. J/s
Ditto, you beat me to it!
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:21 pm
GreenInkling Tekketsu I was kind of shocked by the question. I still want to know ow that is the oldest question. I mean, aren't there others who were alive before the Doctor, who were bound to have asked different questions other than "Doctor Who?"
I'm guessing that since he travels in time, he's been back to the very beginning,
and so the question is present there as much as it is later.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:15 pm
GreenInkling Lorelei Sonafaire I personally had thought that the Doctor would have to use the Elixirs of Life with the biological signature, but I would have been dissapointed the Doctor had to use them so early.
I think I would have preferred that, actually.
Now that we know it was the Doctor inside the Tesselecta the whole time,
the wedding, the kiss, his promise to forgive her "always and completely"
has less meaning. emotion_donotwant
But he was commanding the Teselecta. He only went up to the window to say hi to River.
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