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Atrum_Anima

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:00 pm


I'm a freshman at my university, and recently I've found a fun place to hang out called the Intersection. It's pretty much a lounge for LGBT people and allies, and it also houses the campus's office of LGBT affairs.

There are a ton of cool people that I've met there, including transgender and genderqueer people. Before coming to this college, I've never been introduced to someone of the "T" in LGBT. I'm completely new to a ton of gender concepts that are being thrown around.

Anyway, I've been researching, and I wanted some clarification; for example, if a man identifies as male is he considered cisgendered? And by that same logic, if a woman identifies as a male are they genderqueer? What exactly is the difference between genderqueer and transgender? As a gay man who identifies as male, should I consider myself cisgendered?

I know this all depends on a lot of tedious labeling, but I just want to make sure that I know what I'm talking about and that I don't offend anyone.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:43 pm


Hello!~ Okay, so, cisgender refers to anyone who was born one sex and identifies with that sex. So, a man born a male who identifies as male and has no problem with their physical sex. It's just a term for people who are not transgender in any way. Genderqueer...I'm never been too clear on this, because there are SO many terms in the transgender spectrum. From what I know of it, it's when someone views themselves as being outside the gender spectrum in some way. This is what I found on Wikipedia: "People who identify as genderqueer may think of themselves as one or more of the following: both man and woman (bigender, pangender)
neither man nor woman (genderless, agender)
moving between genders (genderfluid)
third gender or other-gendered; includes those who do not place a name to their gender
having an overlap of, or blurred lines between, gender identity and sexual orientation."

"If a woman identifies as a male are they genderqueer?" The basic answer to that is no. Genderqueer is in it's own little realm, and it all depends on the person and how they identify. A person who is a female and identifies as male is...okay, not sure of the term, because (once again) it depends on the person and how they identify. I am a "woman" (hate using that term for myself xD) who identifies as male, and I consider myself transsexual, because I plan to start hormones and get sexual reassignment surgery. BUT the last time I went to a statewide GSA function, I ran into someone who was also...I'll just say female who identifies as male, but he HATED being called transsexual and thought it was very offensive. He said, "I'm transgender. That is the term I use. I hate the term transsexual." So, it really depends on the person and what term they feel most comfortable with using to describe themselves...If there is even a term at all that they use. Some people just say, "I'm me. That's all you need to know."

It's a very confusing sometimes. When I first came out and started looking for information, I sort of hit a wall of questions like, "Wtf is with all these dang terms!?" Hahaha. Anyway, if you're a male who identifies as male and you have no problems or questions about your physical sex or mental gender, then yes, you are cisgender.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:10 am


Midianni's answers were good- but I wanted to add on to them.
Atrum_Anima
for example, if a man identifies as male is he considered cisgendered?And by that same logic, if a woman identifies as a male are they genderqueer?
Yes- so, one thing you might come across are the acronyms AFAB and AMAB, which stand for Assigned Female At Birth and Assigned Male At Birth.

You'll also see people talk about their sex v. their gender.
So someone who is AMAB- and considers themselves to be a man is going to be cisgendered.
Someone who is AFAB but identifies as a man isn't going to be cis.

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What exactly is the difference between genderqueer and transgender?

So for the sake of acronym length, a lot of times different genders are lumped under the T for LGBT.

The only explanation that ever made any sense to me was that the T as it's applied to the whole group that gets labeled that way is that people are transitioning from their assignment and all the stuff that goes with that to their true self. I don't know if I like that term, but I do know it's the least offensive explanation I've heard.

I'm 3rd Gendered- I hate being called genderqueer. When our brains take in information like words, they also take in subtle things that get fused with those sounds, and I think labeling my gender as "queer" does a lot to make it so I'm treated as "different" in a bad way.

"Reclaiming" words never worked for me- and I think as a society they don't work either, but that's a personal opinion.

There's no "one way" to talk about the T in LGBT- everyone has their own opinions and the best thing any of us can do is to respect people's wishes as long as it isn't harmful.

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As a gay man who identifies as male, should I consider myself cisgendered?
Only you can answer that one. wink

My ex was genderfluid and gay- I have met some gay men who include in their identity as men a feeling of being "femininely receptive". It's hard to explain- because it's so personal to them, but I'll do my best.

They feel spiritually that even though they're men, they have a kind of metaphysical vag and womb, but their gender identity never changes from being a man- unlike my ex who would feel they were a woman sometimes and a man sometimes.

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I know this all depends on a lot of tedious labeling, but I just want to make sure that I know what I'm talking about and that I don't offend anyone.
When in doubt, respectfully ask. 3nodding

Another key idea is the difference between Gender Identity and Gender Expression. My Gender Identity as someone who is 3rd has a lot to do with how I feel and think about myself- but my gender expression matches my assignment at birth because it isn't physically possible for me to match my idea sex and it isn't safe for me to always express my gender openly- usually people will be dismissive of my gender identity as it just being a "quirk".
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:04 am


Esiris

I'm 3rd Gendered- I hate being called genderqueer. When our brains take in information like words, they also take in subtle things that get fused with those sounds, and I think labeling my gender as "queer" does a lot to make it so I'm treated as "different" in a bad way.

"Reclaiming" words never worked for me- and I think as a society they don't work either, but that's a personal opinion.

I kind of feel the same way. "Queer" just sounds offensive to me. D:

Oh, and thanks to both of you for the replies! **

Atrum_Anima


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:39 pm


Genderqueer is the gender based version of sezuallity's queer. Most people who use queer are being vague, with the intent of being vague. It is mostly to not restrict themselves to one way or the other. A genderqueer person is more likely to be fluid in gender, or does not want to be identified with either side or type.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:08 am


i actually prefer the term queer. i think it sounds adorable and when talking to someone its easier for me to say genderqueer than bigender.

one thing ive noticed in the glbt community, no matter how careful you are your going to offend someone. if unsure of something just ask. most people ive met have been accepting of my mistakes when using the wrong terms. as with most people in the glbt community the genderqueers and such understand that alot of this is new information to most people and usually dont get too offended when the wrong word is used here and there. so long as you try thats what counts imo

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