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Phoenix Songbird

Dapper Gekko

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:48 pm


Critiques Given:
Waphel - Shelley
de valeur - Lisbeth
Ririka - Niko

Name: Nastasya [Nah-stah-siah]
Nickname(s): Nasty
Age (Appearance Wise): late teens to early twenties
Age (Actual): 34

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Personality:

Wary
Nastasya sees trust as a luxury, which can cause her to be distrustful of Book Children and City People alike, even if she doesn't necessarily have a reason why. She tries to prevent this from getting in the way of her job, but more often than not it slips in, causing her to create a backup plan for the backup plan. This overly cautious behavior can be so severe it sometimes borders on paranoia. Nasty is also highly secretive, rarely sharing any details about her childhood and finds it hard, if not impossible, to trust someone completely. But, despite the harm it might do to her relationships, this trait keeps her alive and out of the hands of those who may not be the happiest with her.
Cunning/Tricky
She is always manipulating things, whether she consciously knows so or not, trying to turn the tide to the best of her advantage. However, it is because of this that people often view her as untrustworthy and in turn she has difficulty forming any meaningful, long term relationships. Her morals are somewhat looser than others as well, so she often fails to see what is wrong about such manipulation.
Scheming
Refusing to go in blind, and therefore being open to possible traps, when planning to catch the bigger fish, she does her research. No detail is too small when it comes to her planning, a perfectionist streak that is fed by her unnatural distrust of everything.
Versatile
Despite all the careful planning in the world, things are still apt to go wrong, in which case a bit a quick thinking must be done to rectify the situation. This trait can often mean the difference between a successful venture or trouble, at the end of the day, and Nasty prefers it isn't the latter.
Actress
Her mood changes can be about as fluid as water and very few of them are true emotions. They are often fabricated, cut out to suit her needs or the situation. Her most common face is either one of cheer or indifference, as well as one of confidence. She loves, and craves, the attention drawn by such acting out, though it is kept impersonal out of safety.
Patient
Nastasya knows the best way for a con to play out, is to let the prey walk into his own trap. Hasty actions can lead to a disaster, which means no winnings at the end of the day.
Lonely
But even with her rather cold exterior, Nastasya is just like every other person, and craves a true relationship of any sort, even if she doesn't consciously admit it. Since she had been isolated early on and taught distrust since she formed, she never had a chance to form any sort of attachment to any real person, even her teacher.

Extra bits
She tends to be a bit sarcastic when tired. And, despite being a bit paranoid as well as harsh, she is capable of having fun and relaxing every so often, though she is unable to completely drop her guard. The most common form of her relaxation would be painting. If not painting, then sparring, whether it is hand to hand or with weapons.
Also, she is able to form true friendships, it just takes a bit of work from both parties to start as well as to continue. Since Nastasya has not had any previous relationships, she isn't quite sure on how to act at times, and tries to hide her insecurity behind the mask of the charming con artist.


Thoughts on the Forest: "It's a curious thing, but otherwise not worth too much thought or energy."
Thoughts of Book Children: "Often the easiest to trick, especially the new ones, since they can hardly understand our way of speaking. Children straight out of the forest are perhaps the best, though. Since they still can not see City People. But they are often closely guarded by Children who do know our ways and are capable of seeing us."
Thoughts on City People: "A bit harder to trick, but not so much so that they aren't worthwhile targets."

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Physical Appearance:
Hair Style, except in white
Corest 1 Corest 2 Corset 3
Undershirt would be white, billowing sleeves (think Jack Sparrow's shirt) - top of the shirt would be shoulderless with a collar around the edge. The undershirt would be tucked in, so the only part of it you would see would be the top. The rest of the top area would be the corset.
Belt Idea - over the bottom of the corset, only one sheath instead of the two pictured
Sword - rapier - basket ideas: [X] [X]
Leggings
Boots 1 - minus the skull and bones and would end right under the knee Boots 2
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:49 pm


History [U/C]: [Taken in by family]

[runs away]

For many days after Nastasya was "born" she was on her own. One of her first memories were of a back alleyway, in Sutfirth, the city growing silent as night fell and its people were rushing home. She had wandered around for hours, until a stranger took her in. He did not give her a name, which struck her as odd, but he showed her kindness all the same, so she simply accepted it.

As time went on, he began to teach her things. It started out innocent enough, like how to avoid the watchful eye of a guard, or how to alert him when one was heading their way. But, as she grew older, he began teaching her skills that were quite frowned upon by the rest of society.

[Caught, man arrested, she's returned to family]

She opted to start with these frowned upon activities instead of choosing a more respectable profession, mainly because of the restrictions. Even in the lower society, a woman would be expected to fit a certain mold, and Nastasya has very little respect for authority. So she chose the path of lawlessness, where there were no rules. At least, none of that sort. From there, she quickly picked up fencing, which drew her with it's bravado and showmanship, as well as by necessity. It wouldn't be wise for her, nor anyone else, to wander about without some way of self defense and still remain alive as a thief.

With her new found freedom, she was also able to explore her abilities as an artist. Her adopted mother and father had often frowned upon such activities, saying it was work for the poorer class and that she should not dirty her hands with such frivolity.

Hobbies: fencing - though also a necessity to keep her abilities up to par, painting/drawing
Birthday: Sometime around the beginning of spring - she never bothered to ask Him and he never bothered to tell her
Favorite Things: music, silence
Hated Things: groveling

Phoenix Songbird

Dapper Gekko


Phoenix Songbird

Dapper Gekko

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:51 pm


Favorite Story:
Font: Infiltrace, Jellyka, or Elven
Job: con artist, thief
Class: One of the middle class, though the wealth usually isn't come by honestly and she lives with the lower class, albeit in a much more comfortable style. Objects she has stolen often are not sold for money, instead hoarded in hidden caches throughout the city, saved for a rainy day. If she needs money, she will often steal it as needed.
Usually, items of interest are stolen for the excitement of the stealing rather than actual need, and it can be quite an addicting game.
Fears: Being caged, losing the thrill in life
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:36 am


Hey Phoenix, first off jut let me say that I love Nastasya's name!

Spelling Mistake: "first site" should be sight.

Aside from that, it's a little hard to crit her personality. As it stands, patient seems to stand out as an outlier depending on how you decide to approach the concept. I think I understand what kind of character you're going for. Maybe add another characteristic? Also, based on her history, I see Nastasya as more of a witty/quick-thinking person rather than someone who is book smart? Is that what the intelligent trait is supposed to be? Once again, just a lot of speculation on my part. ;v;

As far as her history goes: MOAR DETAILS 8V
I want to know more! She seems to be someone whose history has really shaped her personality so it is really important for others to understand her history!

I think you're off to a good start and I really like your clothing ideas for her. Mmmmm pirates....

Minsuil

Enduring Elder


Phoenix Songbird

Dapper Gekko

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:36 am


Minsuil
Whoops, thanks for the typo alert. That's what I get for watching TV and writing at the same time. orz

But yes, I'm planning for her to be quick on her feet and more street smart than anything. She's picked up the a few books here and there, because it's almost impossible not to in a land of books, but not as many as a learned scholar.

I'll also add more of her history and personality. I just wanted to make sure 1. I could even make a character like this and it wouldn't be too out of place for this world and 2. it was an interesting concept before I started developing her more.

And, if you couldn't tell, I was having way to much fun making her appearance. xD

But thanks for the critique! C:
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:11 am


Phoenix Songbird



I apologise, everytime I write character critique it turns into a wall of text - this only happens because I attempt to give in depth analysis about what I've read. Hopefully everything is clear and you understand it and additionally, I hope it proves useful!


In relation to her personality I would actually encourage you to be very careful about word choice, when read there are certain elements that don't flow right and may not necessarily make sense. Even when they're read out loud it brings the same results, so in a general sense, they would need to be rewritten.

An example of this is, "Nasty is not one to instantly care for someone at first sight." I would encourage you to rewrite this into a form that flows much more appropriately and is easier to read, at present it simply comes across as bad word ordering! The sort of rewrite I'm speaking of would be along the lines of, "Her experiences as a child have ensured that she is much more inclined to base her opinions on immediate assumptions. Someone who is cruel, nasty or rude (no matter the reason), is an individual who will likely be judged to be unpleasant and as a consequence, will be avoided."

With her personality in mind, there are certain elements of it that you've indicated as both positive and negative traits which is perfectly acceptable. However, you have failed to provide positive insight into these traits to explain how they possess both:

1. Cautious
You have indicated that she is very cautious around strangers and this leads to her being cold, aloof and judgemental. You have indicated that if people persevere she can be loyal to them but this is still a connecting feature of the first sentence. Stepping away from that perseverence, how is this 'cautious' trait also a benefit? For example, does this cautious stance and overall weariness ensure she has a number of 'near misses' whereby she has avoided getting hurt as an 'adult' in comparison to other Book Children and City People?

It's something to consider, as the way the description reads at the moment, it's actually a more negative than neutral trait.

2. Cunning/Tricky
You may actually need to reconsider this trait, or the cautious trait above. The average pickpocket and con artist are more risk takers than they are wary. They deliberately put themselves in positions where they can hunt and pick out appropriate and vulnerable targets. If your character is going to act as a pickpocket/con-artist then you'd need to reconsider exactly how the two compliment each other.

You've also mentioned that she doesn't rely on trust overly much or care for it at this point - again this contradicts with the above point. If she has no concern or appreciation of trust and loyalty then why would she give them "the world" whenever they batter down her defences?

In addition, you've again stated a more negative trait and have given no indiciation of how it should be considered both negative/positive.

3. Intelligent
At present, the way you describe this trait would indicate that it's actually "Scheming" rather than "Intelligent". All of her intelligence revolves around acquiring her gold/item/money or something of equal value. There's no indication of the ability to further analyse things she encounters in everyday life, or her ability to learn additional skills, information and traits which are all indicative of intelligence.

Again you've indicated this is a "positive" trait - at the moment it's actually a neutral trait. It's good that she's clever enough to do her research, but it is for nefarious deeds, as such, it's a neutral trait!

4. Patient
Correct definition and compliments all of the above references to her role as a con artist, I wouldn't encourage any change in this one.


In terms of overall design I can see the skeleton profile of what you're aiming for, it just needs to be tweaked so that she isn't contradicting herself the way she is at the moment. Once you have those traits tweaked, she'll be so much better!


In terms of misc information; I would like to know what her thoughts on Book Children and City People are. She'll be living in a world filled with them and as an individual who's a con artist she's definitely going to have some very specific thoughts on certain sects of the society she encounters. Is she more likely to target city people or book children, and if so, why?

Hated Things: Gluttony - Are you being intentionally ironic since she's a pick pocket, or are you trying to turn her into some sort of Robin Hood-esque hero?

Her history also needs a lot more depth - if her history shaped her personality so that she's become a pickpocket/con artist and a lot more aloof, then how so? At present I know she ran away to avoid a marriage and elected to live on the streets, but what specific encounters gave her the idea to pursue that life with much more fervour?


Design wise she looks like she could turn out to be lovely, I look forward to seeing her whenever she's approved!

Epine de Rose


Phoenix Songbird

Dapper Gekko

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:15 am


Epine de Rose

Thank you for the critique!

And I am trying to portray a character who isn't necessarily evil, she just prefers that way of life. There's more freedom in her current way of living than what a noble woman might have, if that makes any sense. So she has a conscience, it just isn't usually shown. It's a bit of a defense mechanism, if you will, since other people in the world of thieves would want to take advantage of any weakness.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:36 am


Phoenix Songbird


Please add a touch more depth to her personality. Also, when writing try to convey a sense of openness and fluidity in terms of how you phrase things. Making statements and turning them into absolute facts, or 'metagaming' type things, can be highly offsetting. She's not quite fleshed enough for a meta stamp sadly.


iStoleYurVamps

iStoleYurVamps

Vice Captain

Trash Husband


de valeur

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:38 pm


Hello there, Phee! I love what I'm seeing so far, but here's my critique. (:

So first of all, this is just a quick opinion of mine that really has nothing to do with anything, but I think it'd be nice of you to phonetically sound out her name? I really have no idea how to say it... and when I say phonetically I mean my Child's name is Lisbeth, right? So to tell people how to say it I would write "Liz-behth", even if it's not too hard to figure out ahaha... but, yeah. That's just a quick sidenote that you can ignore if you don't feel it helpful.

Next, I'm going to talk a bit about her personality section. To me she sounds like the stereotypical thief. Untrusting, quick-witted, and scheming are all traits that you would normally find in a person such as herself... and I think that you might want to add on to it. Give her some traits that make her stand out when compared to other thieves. She was raised in a high class family so perhaps she considers herself a bit better than others- especially since she's seemingly skilled at thievery. Arrogant would be a nice thing to add, but she also needs something a bit more deep. All of the traits you've listed seem to be negative, besides the tidbit about her patience. What makes people want to talk to her? What's hidden beneath the wall of untrust that's built around that head of her's? Perhaps she could be fragile beneath all the armor she's thrown onto herself, maybe even a bit lonely due to the fact that she didn't belong in her own family (a thing that would most definitely affect her way of thinking). I can see that she distrusts people but, maybe, she secretly wants someone to break her down and know her for real... also, I think another positive trait you might want to add is, perhaps, 'adaptable'. Due to her career in theft, she's probably used to thinking up last-minute plans of escape and would therefore know how to get herself out of a grind. She also seemed to blend right on in to the lower class setting rather quickly after having been raised in expensive dresses and a rich man's home.

Now on to her history section and a bit about her hobbies- you seem to be completely dependent on her wretched family being apart of her history, but you should also give a bit more information about her time on the streets. Did she try to fit in with the normal working class and if so why didn't it work out? What made her turn to thievery/pick-pocketing and what turned her on to fencing and artistry? Those are just a few questions that were on my mind as I read... so, yeah. I guess that's pretty much it. I hope I was helpful and not just a rambling wreck, aha.

Like everyone else said, though, you're off to a really great start so I cannot wait to see her completely finished and in-character. (;
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:09 pm


de valeur
Thank you so much! This was incredibly helpful.
I've been stuck for so long with what I should add to her personality, so you hit the nail right on the head.
And you weren't rambling wreck. I need any bit of advice I can get. xD

Edit: I added the phonetic spelling. C;

Phoenix Songbird

Dapper Gekko


waphel

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:37 pm


I think this is mostly echoing what others have already said, but another way to go in terms of giving her more depth would be thinking about what she's like when she finally does let her guard down. What is she like/what does she do when she has a day to herself? Is there anyone she can let her guard down, or if not, what would it take?

You mentioned that she lives middle-class although she has more money, what does she do with all the money she has, or what does she plan to do with it?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:39 pm


waphel
Thanks for the critique!

I've made a few changes so hopefully everything is clearer.

Phoenix Songbird

Dapper Gekko



iStoleYurVamps

iStoleYurVamps

Vice Captain

Trash Husband

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:53 am


You have improved but still need some work.

When you open the profile with stating about how her job directly relates to her personality, you assume I know her job. I had to look to find to her job isn't actually a job at all. She's a criminal. Before I address her personality I'm going to go on her history since much of her personality stems from that.

How was having a daughter an increase in status and wealth? Many of the high class adopt those who show promise in some aspect, very rarely would a member bring in a child just for show since houses can and often do act as political parties. In Paper Forest elements of aristocracy exist, but not to the extent I think you're writing at. Even so, how did she manage to survive after running away? How long did it take her to become such a skilled pick pocket? If all her life she has been a rebel how come she seems to have had no backlash to running into a world she has no skills in? Her history seems more like fictional romanticism of English nobility than Paper Forest's settings.

Personality wise, try to write it using as little references to her history as possible. Also a rule on something like 'Charismatic', be very careful in how you present this. Using terms of phrases that determine character actions before they occur is off putting. Also Charismatic is a very difficult trait to write and often occurs through role-play. Overall, I would suggest looking at trying combine some of her traits, or re-defining some of them.

While her personality meets meta stamp guidelines, because it relies on her history, I'm going to hold of on it until you can fit her history to a more shop suited one, or writing her personality to separate the two. It's close but just not quite there yet.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:52 pm


Hello Birdy! I have some critiquing for you! heart

A few things and I hope I can put them across accurately enough:

- How did she become so good at her pick-pocketing? Was it a trial and error sort of learning experience on her part, or perhaps did she fall under the tutelage of another older, more experienced criminal? If it was trial and error, did she have to stop doing her criminal activities for a time if someone or someones caught on to the fledgling thief while trying to nick some coins or things from their pockets or bags? If she was tutored by another criminal, would there be any feelings of possible familial attachments, like the father/mother that she never had when she was with her adoptive family, or maybe like a big brother or sister, or a desire to do this teacher proud by being particularly sneaky or bringing in a large draw from a day's thieving?

-Does she steal indiscriminately from pretty much everyone, no matter the social or economic standing, or are there certain professions, people, or class members that never find themselves under her list of potential targets? (For instance, would a low class farmer with not a whole lot to their name have the same chance as an upper crust scholar or noble with their world at their feet?) How strong is her compulsion to burgle things? You state that she steals for the thrill, but if suspicion fell in her direction would she be able to hold off until attention gets drawn away from her or is she so addicted that she can't stop even with the risk involved?

- Is she self taught in terms of her fencing? Or was she given lessons or had lessons paid for by her adoptive family (or possible mentor that I mentioned earlier)? Did she learn by watching and imitating or was she an active participant in her learning?

- You state that she makes most of her money with her money with her criminal activities, does she still carry on with her art as a source of supporting income or does she find her interest in the arts has waned in favor of wholly pursuing her shady dealings? If she steals all these things of value and just stockpiles them in caches here and there around the city, where does the money come from? Does she resell her acquisitions to bring in money that way or does the fact that she simply have all these things increases her wealth?

- Does she have a code of conduct? You mention that she was drawn by the path of lawlessness due to the lack of rules. Is she secretly rebellious, wanting to stick it to those who remind her of her adoptive family and 'the Man' that they were loyal to, or is she doing all these bad things in some sort of attempt to get the attention that they never gave her (or doing it to make herself feel better about who her early days played out)?

- Are there types of people or personalities that may be more inclined to earning her trust or gaining her loyalty/friendship? Or is she so guarded that everyone, everyone, has to prove themselves worthy of her? It is said that she is lonely. Are there times in which she finds herself overwhelmed by her loneliness which may cause her to seek out the company of others or cause her to be seemingly abnormally social? Or does she turn to her things, her caches of prizes, to recall particularly enjoyable or rewarding jobs to make herself feel better?

Avid_RPer18

Loyal Loiterer


Teh_Sil

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:43 pm


Hello! I think I have a few things to add that haven't already been said- I hope!

You mention that she likes fencing. That's good, but where and who would she have learned fencing from? Fencing requires some fairly specific forms and has some pretty rigorous standards in terms of what actually constitutes the sport- it has very little to do with actual sword play. In addition, fencing has tended to be, throughout history, a sport of the upper class, so I find it a little difficult to reconcile that with what you've given of Nastasya's position in society. Fencing also probably wouldn't actually be much use in defending yourself, since the focus is on scoring a touch on specific areas of the body, without actually horrifically injuring your opponent.

Also, you do note that her history is under construction, but I would love to see more about the family that took her in. You say that her adopted mother and father frowned on her lower-class activities, so I get the impression they must at least be middle class, but I guess it would be nice to see that more clearly defined. I definitely think that's something that should be delved into. Was it just teenage rebellion that made her choose the path she chose, or was there some defining moment in her life that turned her that way?

This may just be me, but I'd love to know what she actually likes to paint, and what kind of music she likes to listen to. I feel like they'll help further define who she is as a person. Does she like painting scenes of action, or does she secretly paint love scenes? Does she like the sound of a war march, or the lonely sound of a violin?
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