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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:29 am
what Pokemon in white would make good sweepers and walls?
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:43 am
Ack! Such a broad question! OVERLOAAAAADDDD!!!! gonk gonk gonk gonk gonk Please, be more specific, starting with sweepers. Physical? Special? Boosting? Choiced? What type? Some kind of starting point. Keep in mind though, Sweepers tend to need some kind of boost to sweep. Personally, I like U-turn/Volt Change on Choiced users. Gives a good option to see what they'll do and does damage, setting the pace for your team. Here's an example of scouting: I switch in a Choice Band/Scarf Flygon in on a predicted Earthquake off maybe Gliscor or something similar. Gliscor is a very popular physical wall, so he can easily take a hit from Flygon, with a Choice Band or not. Assuming my opponent does not know I'm Choiced, I can U-Turn out. If he lacks Ice Fang or Toxic (the only two common moves a Gliscor uses that can do anything to Flygon) he'll definitely switch out, as he has no way to hurt me unless it's the rare Baton Pass variant. Otherwise, he'll use one of those moves or switch out. So to scout, I go for the U-turn, and head out to a pokemon that can manage against either predicted move (A Steel type would be the ideal choice, being immune to Toxic and resisting Ice Fang. More specifically a Steel with Levitate, as they can resist Earthquake as well. Though this switch is near guaranteed safe, assuming your opponent doesn't expect it. So for example, having a Bronzong would be ideal for the situation. Or even Forretress, not being weak to EQ, and being massively bulky on the physical side.). In other words, switch out to the pokemon most fit on your team to take the predicted move. Should he switch, your U-turn will go second, allowing you to get a free switch in on whatever he chooses to send out. Thus, giving you the upperhand. That's the general idea of scouting. Though, this isn't exactly a good example, as Flygon is rarely seen as anything except a Choice user. So, this exact scenario could backfire. But I think you can get the gist of it. Overall, a good starting point is to make sure you have at least one of your pokemon resist every type you can manage and to not share the same weaknesses. And a good tip that was recommended to me once is to look at the entire OU list and make sure you have an answer to each pokemon on there. It can be difficult, but that is the best way to make a good team. Here's a sweeper I like to use: Starmie Choice Specs Timid 255 Sp. Atk / 255 Speed
Surf Thunderbolt Ice Beam Trick First, for all you picky assholes, yes I know the last 3 EV's in Sp. Atk and Speed do nothing. But going the extra 10 miles to put 4 in HP won't likely do you any good every either. Second, this Pokemon is one of my favorites. Outspeeding any Gengar set and scoring a OHKO with Surf after Stealth Rock damage (Unless they use some random bullshit Sp. Def set...). And being able to throw the Specs on a special wall such as Blissey and crippling it is always nice.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:04 am
Archolite Ack! Such a broad question! OVERLOAAAAADDDD!!!! gonk gonk gonk gonk gonk Please, be more specific, starting with sweepers. Physical? Special? Boosting? Choiced? What type? Some kind of starting point. Keep in mind though, Sweepers tend to need some kind of boost to sweep. Personally, I like U-turn/Volt Change on Choiced users. Gives a good option to see what they'll do and does damage, setting the pace for your team. Here's an example of scouting: I switch in a Choice Band/Scarf Flygon in on a predicted Earthquake off maybe Gliscor or something similar. Gliscor is a very popular physical wall, so he can easily take a hit from Flygon, with a Choice Band or not. Assuming my opponent does not know I'm Choiced, I can U-Turn out. If he lacks Ice Fang or Toxic (the only two common moves a Gliscor uses that can do anything to Flygon) he'll definitely switch out, as he has no way to hurt me unless it's the rare Baton Pass variant. Otherwise, he'll use one of those moves or switch out. So to scout, I go for the U-turn, and head out to a pokemon that can manage against either predicted move (A Steel type would be the ideal choice, being immune to Toxic and resisting Ice Fang. More specifically a Steel with Levitate, as they can resist Earthquake as well. Though this switch is near guaranteed safe, assuming your opponent doesn't expect it. So for example, having a Bronzong would be ideal for the situation. Or even Forretress, not being weak to EQ, and being massively bulky on the physical side.). In other words, switch out to the pokemon most fit on your team to take the predicted move. Should he switch, your U-turn will go second, allowing you to get a free switch in on whatever he chooses to send out. Thus, giving you the upperhand. That's the general idea of scouting. Though, this isn't exactly a good example, as Flygon is rarely seen as anything except a Choice user. So, this exact scenario could backfire. But I think you can get the gist of it. Overall, a good starting point is to make sure you have at least one of your pokemon resist every type you can manage and to not share the same weaknesses. And a good tip that was recommended to me once is to look at the entire OU list and make sure you have an answer to each pokemon on there. It can be difficult, but that is the best way to make a good team. Here's a sweeper I like to use: Starmie Choice Specs Timid 255 Sp. Atk / 255 Speed
Surf Thunderbolt Ice Beam Trick First, for all you picky assholes, yes I know the last 3 EV's in Sp. Atk and Speed do nothing. But going the extra 10 miles to put 4 in HP won't likely do you any good every either. Second, this Pokemon is one of my favorites. Outspeeding any Gengar set and scoring a OHKO with Surf after Stealth Rock damage (Unless they use some random bullshit Sp. Def set...). And being able to throw the Specs on a special wall such as Blissey and crippling it is always nice. What about Physical& Special Sweepers in white?
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:15 am
ponygirl74 What about Physical& Special Sweepers in white? As in one list of Physical sweepers and one list of Special Sweepers? Or are you asking for a list of Mixed Sweepers?
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:16 am
Kyrenx ponygirl74 What about Physical& Special Sweepers in white? As in one list of Physical sweepers and one list of Special Sweepers? Or are you asking for a list of Mixed Sweepers?Hum- Mixed Sweepers.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:29 am
ponygirl74 Archolite Ack! Such a broad question! OVERLOAAAAADDDD!!!! gonk gonk gonk gonk gonk Please, be more specific, starting with sweepers. Physical? Special? Boosting? Choiced? What type? Some kind of starting point. Keep in mind though, Sweepers tend to need some kind of boost to sweep. Personally, I like U-turn/Volt Change on Choiced users. Gives a good option to see what they'll do and does damage, setting the pace for your team. Here's an example of scouting: I switch in a Choice Band/Scarf Flygon in on a predicted Earthquake off maybe Gliscor or something similar. Gliscor is a very popular physical wall, so he can easily take a hit from Flygon, with a Choice Band or not. Assuming my opponent does not know I'm Choiced, I can U-Turn out. If he lacks Ice Fang or Toxic (the only two common moves a Gliscor uses that can do anything to Flygon) he'll definitely switch out, as he has no way to hurt me unless it's the rare Baton Pass variant. Otherwise, he'll use one of those moves or switch out. So to scout, I go for the U-turn, and head out to a pokemon that can manage against either predicted move (A Steel type would be the ideal choice, being immune to Toxic and resisting Ice Fang. More specifically a Steel with Levitate, as they can resist Earthquake as well. Though this switch is near guaranteed safe, assuming your opponent doesn't expect it. So for example, having a Bronzong would be ideal for the situation. Or even Forretress, not being weak to EQ, and being massively bulky on the physical side.). In other words, switch out to the pokemon most fit on your team to take the predicted move. Should he switch, your U-turn will go second, allowing you to get a free switch in on whatever he chooses to send out. Thus, giving you the upperhand. That's the general idea of scouting. Though, this isn't exactly a good example, as Flygon is rarely seen as anything except a Choice user. So, this exact scenario could backfire. But I think you can get the gist of it. Overall, a good starting point is to make sure you have at least one of your pokemon resist every type you can manage and to not share the same weaknesses. And a good tip that was recommended to me once is to look at the entire OU list and make sure you have an answer to each pokemon on there. It can be difficult, but that is the best way to make a good team. Here's a sweeper I like to use: Starmie Choice Specs Timid 255 Sp. Atk / 255 Speed
Surf Thunderbolt Ice Beam Trick First, for all you picky assholes, yes I know the last 3 EV's in Sp. Atk and Speed do nothing. But going the extra 10 miles to put 4 in HP won't likely do you any good every either. Second, this Pokemon is one of my favorites. Outspeeding any Gengar set and scoring a OHKO with Surf after Stealth Rock damage (Unless they use some random bullshit Sp. Def set...). And being able to throw the Specs on a special wall such as Blissey and crippling it is always nice. What about Physical& Special Sweepers in white? Personally, I'm still learning which gen 5 sweepers are effective. But sweepers from gen 4 are still just as good as before. For the most part. For example, the original OU list for Gen 5 had 11 pokemon from gen 5. The OU list consisted of 38, though Garchomp was one of them, and he's Uber now. So 11 out of 37 are gen 5, and only 7 of those 11 would be considered sweepers, to me at least. Though, I think you understand that, but just to be clear. As for the actual sweepers in gen 5, I'll start with pokemon on the OU list. A good Physical, Excadrill, especially on Sand teams. His speed is doubled with the proper ability and his high attack stat along with a Swords Dance boost can certainly tear up teams. Though, he isn't as effective outside of Sand. Personally not to my tastes, but Haxorus can sweep too. With either a Scarf or Dragon Dance boost. Both have their uses. And Volcarona is a good special sweeper. Most always a Quiver Dancer. But you'll definitely need Rapid Spin support. 50% per switch in certainly makes it hard to sweep. Just, I dunno. Come up with a plan for a team in the proper subforum and I'll be sure to help out. You'll need an idea though, and then we'll work from that.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:30 am
ponygirl74 Kyrenx ponygirl74 What about Physical& Special Sweepers in white? As in one list of Physical sweepers and one list of Special Sweepers? Or are you asking for a list of Mixed Sweepers?Hum- Mixed Sweepers. Off the top of my head, strictly Unova Pokemon: Eelektross, Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Mienshao and Hydreigon.
Pokemon from older generations still holding their own as Mixed Sweeper in the Gen 5 metagame: Dragonite, Infernape, Salamence, Nidoking (with the Dream Word ability Sheer Force) and I have encountered quite a few mixed Latios, but I think the idea of a mixed Latios is just plain silly, personally.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:56 am
Now is there more then one type of wall besides physical?
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:00 pm
ponygirl74 Now is there more then one type of wall besides physical? Physical Wall, Special Wall and a few Mixed Walls (usually after setup, of course). And these can all have secondary classifications such as Staller, Tank, ect.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:12 pm
Kyrenx ponygirl74 Now is there more then one type of wall besides physical? Physical Wall, Special Wall and a few Mixed Walls (usually after setup, of course). And these can all have secondary classifications such as Staller, Tank, ect.Would snorlax be considered a wall? I have a few on my Platinum I can transfer over if I could find my other DS.-edit I do have a snorlax on white.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:09 pm
ponygirl74 Kyrenx ponygirl74 Now is there more then one type of wall besides physical? Physical Wall, Special Wall and a few Mixed Walls (usually after setup, of course). And these can all have secondary classifications such as Staller, Tank, ect.Would snorlax be considered a wall? I have a few on my Platinum I can transfer over if I could find my other DS.-edit I do have a snorlax on white. CurseLax makes an amazing tank since it has Thick Fat for additional defensive coverage, great Special bulk and the move Curse which increases it's ability to take Physical hits as well as raising it's attack to be able to cause some damage without much or any EV investment. Example setup for a CurseLax:
Snorlax @ Leftovers Nature: Careful Ability: Thick Fat EVs: 188 HP, 104 Defense, 216 Special Defense ~ Curse ~ Return / Body Slam ~ Fire Punch / Earthquake / Crunch ~ Rest / Earthquake
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