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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:20 am


I've been thinking on this as of late... I've personally been leaning more to the side of dark paganism, and I believe I've teetered too far. Tonight as I was explaining myself, praying to The Lady of the Moon (As I've come to know her), I realized that I had a lot of unanswered questions about my spirituality.

For one: I have never delved into studying the light. This is, I believe, the main cause of my imbalance. I'm having trouble finding a way to do so, but every time I do, i feel like I'm losing my grip on reality. which also makes me wonder: Is that entirely a bad thing?

Second, I've heard a term some called 'Grey.' I'll use that term lightly, I don't know what it means if it means a thing at all. I want to understand: Is it just a term some use to explain balance?

And third, when does curiosity become dangerous? In the sense of speaking to the unknown, I've met a... Man. Someone who calls himself Aqsa (ahhk-Suh). I feel threatened by this force more than often, and I wonder if I am just too inexperienced, too naive, or sometimes, if I'm just going insane?

Trying to keep it simple, please bear with me.
Blessed be
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:28 am


I'm going to be frank and straight with you. You'll come to learn that's how I am.

I honestly don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. There is no such thing as the "dark side" of paganism. Paganism isn't a religion, it is not a path, it is not a practice. Pagan is a term used to identify MANY religions. The specific religions that fall under this term sometimes varies. Different pagan religions might be Wicca, Feri, Asatru (think that's how that's spelled), Dianic and many more.

Balance is not a focus in all pagan religions either, it's actually not all that common to be honest.

I have no clue what you're saying about this "grey" bit, other than if you're talking about the use of magic. Certain religions say that magic is not good or evil, it is grey. It is up to the person using it to decide.

If you have to question your experience then you don't have it. If you think to yourself "am I too inexperienced?" then you are. I would suggest you stop messing with things that frighten you.

You're not going insane. The insane do not realize they're insane, it's what makes them so and thus, they do not question it.

Also, I should point out that the phrase "Blessed Be" is a Wiccan one used for very specific purposes among very specific people and really isn't appropriate for a non-Wiccan to be using.

Also, I'm kind of lost as to the point of this topic. What exactly are you asking?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:12 am


Dragoness Arleeana
I'm going to be frank and straight with you. You'll come to learn that's how I am.

I honestly don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. There is no such thing as the "dark side" of paganism. Paganism isn't a religion, it is not a path, it is not a practice. Pagan is a term used to identify MANY religions. The specific religions that fall under this term sometimes varies. Different pagan religions might be Wicca, Feri, Asatru (think that's how that's spelled), Dianic and many more.

Balance is not a focus in all pagan religions either, it's actually not all that common to be honest.

I have no clue what you're saying about this "grey" bit, other than if you're talking about the use of magic. Certain religions say that magic is not good or evil, it is grey. It is up to the person using it to decide.

If you have to question your experience then you don't have it. If you think to yourself "am I too inexperienced?" then you are. I would suggest you stop messing with things that frighten you.

You're not going insane. The insane do not realize they're insane, it's what makes them so and thus, they do not question it.

Also, I should point out that the phrase "Blessed Be" is a Wiccan one used for very specific purposes among very specific people and really isn't appropriate for a non-Wiccan to be using.

Also, I'm kind of lost as to the point of this topic. What exactly are you asking?


Well, after that.. I'm not quite sure what I'm asking..
I do believe in balance, mind you, but I understand what your'e saying.

Grey is a term I heard once; it means nothing, so I'll leave it at that.

Really what I'm looking for is somewhere to go. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'd like to..
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:57 am


Grey has been used to describe a type of magic and it has also been used to describe darkness that is not evil.
Dark Paganism is a modern movement of various paths, mostly ecclectic. While she is correct that Paganism is an umbrella term, what those who use it are saying is that they follow deities associated with death, war, magic, chaos or other raw and untamable forces. Which can be scary depending on who calls upon you and sometimes you do not have a choice who you see. You can try and block it out, cleanse your room or home and other such things.
I also believe in balance and it is part of a lot of paths. After all, nature is about balance: masculine and feminine, day and night, life and death. If you worship a god and a goddess, you are demonstrating balance in some form. Although in the movement of dark paganism the balance is about the light and dark.
They also tend to be very Gothic. It's also about learning and working with the shadow self (which is something you will come to learn further down on your path). Other terms that can be used are dark spirituality or ecclectic pagan. Those who calls themselves Dark Pagans want to counteract the so-called damage done by Pagans who think everything is light and fluffy.

"...darkness is by nature linked to our unconscious and thus is very personal. It is the nature of darkness to always remain elusive to strict delineation. The more one attempts to define it, the further one gets from it. Like the Tao of Taoist thought, darkness must be experienced to be understood. It must be embraced and incorporated into one's being to be appreciated. Attempting to "shine the light of reason" onto it only removes us from it".
- John J. Coughlin is Editor-in-Chief of the NYC Pagan Resource guide

Edit: But if you are feeling like you are struggling and overwhelmed, while there are times when you will struggle on your path, if you are feeling so overwhelmed by it then it is time to take a break. At least from part of it. I would say at this point for you is a good time to do your research, make your own decisions and opinions based on what you find. Like I said before you will run into people who say that Dark Paganism cannot exist, while in my opinion based on some of the above information, it can. Of course there are a lot paths in Paganism, but really it is an undefinable term. I say it means anything that is not an Abrahamic religion, others will argue with that. But is you are on something that can be called a Pagan path then you are still a Pagan. Some will argue that no deities can be considered dark, however death, chaos and the night can be considered dark, just not evil. Most will say deities just are. I disagree, because there is a deity on my path that I consider dark and I do not work with him. It's up to you to decide, and then you will have to argue your point.
Sorry this is so summarized but I have to go leave for work.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:50 am


I can say this, call what you want, define it how you want. Arguing over something one doesn't understand and that is undefinable really gets a person no where. I know what you are going through, I have been there and I have learned to hate terms and titles. Your deities will make themselves known to you in time. Just start reaing about paths that interest you and meditate and your questions will begin to be answered. It takes some time and those are the questions we cannot answer for you. But the more you learn the better your confidence will be.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:22 pm


I don't think it's as much about balance as it is about polarity- I mean, if you are going to balance say, life and death, for every death you'd cause you'd gave to create life and vica versa. My friend is a midwife- can you imagine her trying to kill something of equal value for every baby she helped deliver?

Instead of balance- understanding that there are 2 sides (or more) to everything and learning to understand those mysteries is a good start.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:52 pm


Esiris
I don't think it's as much about balance as it is about polarity- I mean, if you are going to balance say, life and death, for every death you'd cause you'd gave to create life and vica versa. My friend is a midwife- can you imagine her trying to kill something of equal value for every baby she helped deliver?

Instead of balance- understanding that there are 2 sides (or more) to everything and learning to understand those mysteries is a good start.


Thank you, for the more accurate wording. Polarity is better than saying the balance of life and death.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:16 pm


After reading everyone's posts over a few times, I understand I'm going to have to meditate, to find the answers myself. Thank you, all, for your insight.. It helped me more than I could possibly say.

I respect everyones opinion, and Ill take everything from this into consideration. Again, thank you

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