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 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:47 pm
One of the first things I bought myself when I had a bit of cash was a new Punching Bag. The Everlast bag I bought was in damn good condition, and I hung it from a tree at the old spot I used to live in. However, due to moving and damage to my bag(my former roommate ripped the damn thing open(I would think on accident), I have to purchase a new one. I'm trying to pick one, and almost want to get a heavy Thai bag/Stand combination for a maximum surface to kick and punch, but I've also thought about getting one with a Water Base for ease of movement. In any case, I want a bag I can punch and kick, without risk of racking my Shin or it tipping over...opinions?
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:23 pm
I don't know as much about this stuff as the others in this guild, but I'd definitely recommend the Wavemaster XXL if you're going to get a water-based bag. It's a bit pricey, however it's very durable, and weighs up to 270 lbs; nothing that can be easily toppled. Another negative would be that it's a bit space-consuming, and while definitely portable, nothing you'd want to move around too often. But there's no way to injure your shin on it unless you manage to slam it into the water base, which is pretty impossible. I like the bag because it's heavy enough that I can go full-force on it without having to worry about anything.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:23 pm
If I had the choice between a standfree and a hanging bag i'd go for the hanging option just because the way it moves when you hit it and you can get real in close without worrying about a base getting in the way of your feet, it makes clinch work easier.
A nice long Thai bag is good because when you attach a coat you can practice punching and throwing combinations on the bag because of the length.
Stand free bags are fine though and have the advantage that you don't have to worry about where to hang it and they are portable.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:53 pm
I have a wavemaster free standing bag in my room, filled with water. It's not bad. I'd use it more, if I wasn't worried about it falling through my floor though. Every time I hit it, it tips backwards a ways, then slams back on the floor. It makes some noise, let me tell you. People yell at me when I use it, so I don't too often. I'm not sure if it's just the fact that it can't withstand my vicious onslaught, brought on by my insurmountable strength, or maybe, it just isn't a good idea to use water in the base of it. Sand might work better, but sand might be harder to come by. In any case, it's pretty tipsy, and I would recommend maybe a hanging bag instead. But then, I don't have a whole lot of experience with punching bags, so I might be wrong.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:02 pm
Alot of people are turning to wavemasters nowadays. Although I like wave masters, Id say a nice heavy hanging bag is the most versataille training-wise.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:41 pm
Definitely a heavy back. Its hard to find a place to hang them, especially if you life in close quarters, but they are the best.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:07 pm
Jazbo Definitely a heavy back. Its hard to find a place to hang them, especially if you life in close quarters, but they are the best. You can now buy stand free frames that you can hang your bags from, they easily they fit in the corner of a room for conveinience.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:18 pm
Delmar_Denban Jazbo Definitely a heavy back. Its hard to find a place to hang them, especially if you life in close quarters, but they are the best. You can now buy stand free frames that you can hang your bags from, they easily they fit in the corner of a room for conveinience. Really? Sweet, I gotta look into that.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:18 am
Jazbo Delmar_Denban Jazbo Definitely a heavy back. Its hard to find a place to hang them, especially if you life in close quarters, but they are the best. You can now buy stand free frames that you can hang your bags from, they easily they fit in the corner of a room for conveinience. Really? Sweet, I gotta look into that. I think the're called cornerman.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:44 pm
Seriously, I wouldn't recommend anything that isn't hanging. I have worked out on some of those stand-type setups, and often times you can kick right through a bag to the pole, OR kick to the point where the bag moves, and you connect with the pole.
I recommend a Thia Banana bag, because it simulates the body the cloests. Because its soo long, you can get a full range of attacks on it... not only that, but they are usually packed tough,
Look for ones made by Musashi... they make good leather ones.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:21 pm
Ihabia I have a wavemaster free standing bag in my room, filled with water. It's not bad. I'd use it more, if I wasn't worried about it falling through my floor though. Every time I hit it, it tips backwards a ways, then slams back on the floor. It makes some noise, let me tell you. People yell at me when I use it, so I don't too often. I'm not sure if it's just the fact that it can't withstand my vicious onslaught, brought on by my insurmountable strength, or maybe, it just isn't a good idea to use water in the base of it. Sand might work better, but sand might be harder to come by. In any case, it's pretty tipsy, and I would recommend maybe a hanging bag instead. But then, I don't have a whole lot of experience with punching bags, so I might be wrong. They're supposed to do that, yes sand is better and I've kicked through them and knocked them over so many times I've given up using them. Thunder Foot Seriously, I wouldn't recommend anything that isn't hanging. I have worked out on some of those stand-type setups, and often times you can kick right through a bag to the pole, OR kick to the point where the bag moves, and you connect with the pole. I recommend a Thia Banana bag, because it simulates the body the cloests. Because its soo long, you can get a full range of attacks on it... not only that, but they are usually packed tough, Look for ones made by Musashi... they make good leather ones. ...Thats just...freakily similar to my own would be additon eek though mines not Musashi its some...weird symbol logo thing. Besides that, I've also got one called "fatman 3000" or something of a similar name, its basically a wide based free standing band with a short, stocky torso on an erect shock absorbant pole, great for conditioning and unleashing a full load of strength, the only problem is the way the bag sort of shoots back (and consequently, returns very ******** fast) and may tend to spin now and then. Personally I've just weighed it down alot which alleviates the spinning problem, as for the torso itself I'm loathe to ******** with that, though I rarely use it, personally I prefer the "friend with a focus pad" approach myself as Thai Pads are very durable and its very rarely that I totally trash one, plus if used right they can give a damn good anaerobic workout (for anyone thinking wtf, simply standing and hitting them is not the "correct" way to use it, by the end of a session both attacker and pad holder should be fairly worked)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:49 pm
Jass ...Thats just...freakily similar to my own would be additon eek though mines not Musashi its some...weird symbol logo thing. Besides that, I've also got one called "fatman 3000" or something of a similar name, its basically a wide based free standing band with a short, stocky torso on an erect shock absorbant pole, great for conditioning and unleashing a full load of strength, the only problem is the way the bag sort of shoots back (and consequently, returns very ******** fast) and may tend to spin now and then. Personally I've just weighed it down alot which alleviates the spinning problem, as for the torso itself I'm loathe to ******** with that, though I rarely use it, personally I prefer the "friend with a focus pad" approach myself as Thai Pads are very durable and its very rarely that I totally trash one, plus if used right they can give a damn good anaerobic workout (for anyone thinking wtf, simply standing and hitting them is not the "correct" way to use it, by the end of a session both attacker and pad holder should be fairly worked) Great minds think alike eh? But yeah, Thai pads are other great way to workout... but unfortunately most friends have lives and aren't available eerytime we may feel the need to practice. Not only that, but if they are going to hold pads.... might as well get some sparring in there right? But yeah... the Banana bag is the closest representation of a human body, from head to feet. I also have a B.O.B. (Body Opponent Bag), which has synthetic skin and resembles and actual human nody from torso up, however it is a stand up... and no matter what weight I put in the base, Bob frequently falls over. Good for submissions and intricate techniques such as Finger jabs. I recall visiting a school from Tiger Yang... he had the biggest Banana bag I've ever seen. It stood atleast a good 15ft tall (all bag). I couldn't really see the use of such a high bag... until I took notice of the impact markings around the 13ft area. I suppose he used it for flying kicks... but I'll leave the flying to the birds.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:02 pm
Thunder Foot Jass ...Thats just...freakily similar to my own would be additon eek though mines not Musashi its some...weird symbol logo thing. Besides that, I've also got one called "fatman 3000" or something of a similar name, its basically a wide based free standing band with a short, stocky torso on an erect shock absorbant pole, great for conditioning and unleashing a full load of strength, the only problem is the way the bag sort of shoots back (and consequently, returns very ******** fast) and may tend to spin now and then. Personally I've just weighed it down alot which alleviates the spinning problem, as for the torso itself I'm loathe to ******** with that, though I rarely use it, personally I prefer the "friend with a focus pad" approach myself as Thai Pads are very durable and its very rarely that I totally trash one, plus if used right they can give a damn good anaerobic workout (for anyone thinking wtf, simply standing and hitting them is not the "correct" way to use it, by the end of a session both attacker and pad holder should be fairly worked) Great minds think alike eh? But yeah, Thai pads are other great way to workout... but unfortunately most friends have lives and aren't available eerytime we may feel the need to practice. Not only that, but if they are going to hold pads.... might as well get some sparring in there right? But yeah... the Banana bag is the closest representation of a human body, from head to feet. I also have a B.O.B. (Body Opponent Bag), which has synthetic skin and resembles and actual human nody from torso up, however it is a stand up... and no matter what weight I put in the base, Bob frequently falls over. Good for submissions and intricate techniques such as Finger jabs. I recall visiting a school from Tiger Yang... he had the biggest Banana bag I've ever seen. It stood atleast a good 15ft tall (all bag). I couldn't really see the use of such a high bag... until I took notice of the impact markings around the 13ft area. I suppose he used it for flying kicks... but I'll leave the flying to the birds. Flying kicks are never something I've trained either to be honest, besides messing around when you're around 14/15 years old, though thats solely to show off the results of plyometric exercises and flexibility training. But I agree, if you have a partner willing to use the thai pads properly then you may aswell spar, however I myself do enjoy doing both and often use Thai Pad's whilst doing drills with students. Thunder, question, I'm getting students coming in that despite my behest won't fully unload their power into a punch, yes, they're relaxing their muscles etc, highly drilled and fairly conditioned with alot of sparring practice, however they still WON'T let go when it comes to drilling due to the amount of years they spent in TKD, at the moment I've got them hitting paper and it is actually helping, though slightly slowly. Any ideas?
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:18 am
Threaten them with a big stick, tell them that unless they fully unload they are going to get counter attacked (with said big stick).
When I teach in my TKD class I quite regularly (try to) get people to do full commitment techniques, and you're right most of them still try to do this tippy tappy stuff, so I shout at em an threaten em with beats unless they hit as hard as they can (its called gentle motivation, and triggers a bit more of an adrenilin response). Also hold the pad/s yourself, I find people enjoy trying to unload on "Sir" more than other people, and as a handy side effect you get a bit of conditioning yourself. Even with two kick shields on my thigh I cant walk properly after, damn bahvanta and her rediculously powerful roundhouses/turning kicks... blaugh
I personally love unloading, I can do the tippy tappy stuff but whats the point in learning to hit without ever actually hitting?
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:35 am
DarklingGlory Threaten them with a big stick, tell them that unless they fully unload they are going to get counter attacked (with said big stick). When I teach in my TKD class I quite regularly (try to) get people to do full commitment techniques, and you're right most of them still try to do this tippy tappy stuff, so I shout at em an threaten em with beats unless they hit as hard as they can (its called gentle motivation, and triggers a bit more of an adrenilin response). Also hold the pad/s yourself, I find people enjoy trying to unload on "Sir" more than other people, and as a handy side effect you get a bit of conditioning yourself. Even with two kick shields on my thigh I cant walk properly after, damn bahvanta and her rediculously powerful roundhouses/turning kicks... blaugh I personally love unloading, I can do the tippy tappy stuff but whats the point in learning to hit without ever actually hitting? That won't work, they'd just get very tensed up knowing that I would beat them and beat them damn hard, so naturally they'd try to hard, hoping to avoid a beating, which would critically lower their chances of relaxing their muscles and unloading fully. As for the pads they seem...scared almost of retaliation due to the way we use them for drilling. EDIT: Oh, out of curiosity, do you teach your students to sort of, move one arm behind them during a kick like most TKD stylists?
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