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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:02 pm


Hello you guys. I have a slight problem here...well not that slight.

My friend has taken an intrest in wicca and is trying to learn more. He was conjuring the elements and he suddenly blacked out instead. He said he had a vision that he was protecting someone but that he killed a bunch of people for this girl. When he woke up, he said he hears voices inside his head..and that they're creepy and telling him to kill..He said he had another vision about a friend and me.

Which brings me to the real problem. . .

He believe my friend and I are not humans and that we're some kind of other beings...and that he is suppose to protect us even if he has to kill. And he said he hates the humans and their pathetic hearts....He really believe that we aren't human that everyone else around us is.
I tried to explain to him that that's impossible and that we're all humans, but he got really mad and started ranting about humans. And I thought he was joking at first but he was serious.

The day he told me this, I was having a really bad day at home, my dad is a bit abusive verbally and sometimes physically. He swore he would kill my dad and he literally didn't sound like himself. He's always so peaceful and calm and knows what to say but now he's gone insane!!

Literally insane! He keeps talking about these voices and people inside him! And how he's not human! and its creepy!! And everytime I mention the word human, he's like "Do not speak to such worthless creatures" Etc..

Tell me what to think of this...Is he just losing his mind like I think..and he's becoming a very fluffy bunny about wicca...or is there some kind of something happening in him..Like a spirit. I've seen that before and it's nothing like this.

I'd really appreciate help.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:03 pm


UPDATE: He says the Non-humans are "chosen beings" of the goddess

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:36 pm


Ho-boy! This is something I'm going to reply to piece by piece.

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Hello you guys. I have a slight problem here...well not that slight.

My friend has taken an intrest in wicca and is trying to learn more. He was conjuring the elements and he suddenly blacked out instead.
First of all, putting the name of "Wicca" aside, if he's just starting to learn anything he should not be doing the kinds of "conjorings" than can cause a person to black out. In fact, its my opinion that beginners in witchcraft shouldn't really be attempting any conjorings or invokations at all until they have a handle on themselves and know what they're doing and why.

Secondly, if he is doing this alone and without the aid of a coven, it is not Wicca.
If he is under the age of 18, it is not Wicca.
If he has been studying this for less than a year, it is not Wicca.

I could go on, but the name "Wicca" is not the issue here.
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He said he had a vision that he was protecting someone but that he killed a bunch of people for this girl. When he woke up, he said he hears voices inside his head..and that they're creepy and telling him to kill..
This is when you strongly urge him to seek psychiatric help. If he is under the age of 18, talk to his parents, if he is 18 or older talk to him and try to convince him to go in for some sort of counseling or consultation.
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He said he had another vision about a friend and me.

Which brings me to the real problem. . .
That wasn't the real problem? Ho-boy!

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He believe my friend and I are not humans and that we're some kind of other beings...and that he is suppose to protect us even if he has to kill.
Uh... ah... hm... That's... almost flattering of him in a delusional "I'm living in an anime" sort of way. Did he say what it was they caused him to believe this? Was it the voices? Was this belief before or after he black-out? Has he read, seen or been exposed to any books movies, TV shows or other media with a similar theme?
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And he said he hates the humans and their pathetic hearts....
Does he include himself in that? Or is he also not human now?
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He really believe that we aren't human that everyone else around us is.
I tried to explain to him that that's impossible and that we're all humans, but he got really mad and started ranting about humans. And I thought he was joking at first but he was serious.
Once again, I suggest trying to get him to go in for psychiatric help. If his "voices" keep telling him to kill and he is convinced that you are not human and that all humans are terrible then he possibly be a danger to himself and others. You cannot commit him to a psych-ward unless you can prove that he is dangerous, however, you can bring him in for counseling and try to convince him to cooperate.

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The day he told me this, I was having a really bad day at home, my dad is a bit abusive verbally and sometimes physically.
If your father is physically abusive, report him to the police. If you have bruises or other injuries from him, show them to the police as proof and report him. The police take domestic abuse cases VERY seriously. They are there to help you, use them. Does your mother live with you? Does he abuse her too?

The police can help both of you, as I said, they take domestic abuse cases very seriously and will try to get you (and you mother if she's with you) away from your father. Never hesitate to call the authorities when it comes to abuse! NEVER! If you can find an out then GET OUT!
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He swore he would kill my dad and he literally didn't sound like himself. He's always so peaceful and calm and knows what to say but now he's gone insane!!
If he is dramatically different from how he used to be then may I ask what else is going on in his life right now? Has anything drastic changed in his home-life? Have his parents gotten a divorce? Has there been a death in the family? Has be started doing drugs? has he received any recent injuries? Has he been medicated recently?

Please remind him that if he murders your father or attempts to murder your father is will only destroy his own life and not help you in the slightest. If your father is abusive then what he needs to do it take you down to the police station and report the creep. That is how he can protect you. Killing is not the answer.

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Literally insane! He keeps talking about these voices and people inside him! And how he's not human! and its creepy!! And everytime I mention the word human, he's like "Do not speak to such worthless creatures" Etc..
Seriously: seek a mental health professional. Since it seems that you're both under age, can I assume you are still in school? Do you go to the same school? Do you know who his student councilor is? Does your school have permanent councilors or does the district only have a handful of councilors that travel from school to school?

When you can, visit HIS student councilor and ask her advice on how to go about getting him some professional help. Make it clear to her that you do not think he's just playing and that you are truly frightened for him. As her what you should do. She probably won't tell you anything right away, she will probably want to speak to him first. After she does she should get back to you on what you should do. If she does not contact you, you need to follow-up for her.

But remember: She cannot share what they talked about with you because of the confidentiality rule she is under. However, if she is convinced that he poses a danger to himself or others then she is required by law to alert someone. (That someone will not by you, BTW.) But she will tell you whether or not its being taken care of or if its nothing and you shouldn't worry about it, or if it needs more attention before she can make a decision.

That is the first step.

After that, if he goes to counseling but does not improve or gets worse, that is when you go to his parents and ask if their medical insurance covers therapy and/or psychiatry. From the sound of it, he will need psychiatry. Once again, make it clear to his parents that you are very concerned for his well being and that he scares you sometimes. Say whatever you have to in order to convince them to get him help.

From that point on, it might be out of your hands. But that's about all you can do short of driving him to a mental hospital or psych-ward within your local hospital yourself.

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Tell me what to think of this...Is he just losing his mind like I think..and he's becoming a very fluffy bunny about wicca...or is there some kind of something happening in him..Like a spirit. I've seen that before and it's nothing like this.
I will not tell you what to think, I can only tell you how I think you should act based on what I have read (which I have already done.

It could be possible that he's lousing his mind.

Or, he could just be making it all up for attention. How does he act around other? At school? With his parent? With your parent? etc.

He does sound very fluffy with the whole "Wicca" thing, but that is a very tiny issue when compared to everything else you described.

As for your "spirit" theory... eh, I highly doubt it. The first two explanations are far more likely. He's either making it up for attention or he's lousing his mind and need help.
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I'd really appreciate help.
I hope you found this helpful. If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to ask. That is what this guild is here for.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:42 pm


Do you have contact with his family members? Could you speak to them and see if they have noticed changes in his behaviour? He could be developing a disorder like schizophrenia. At least let them know that he has been behaving out of character and has been showing more anger than usual. I mean if he does have a mental disorder, it's their responsibility to get him help, not yours.

I mean it could be that he's just making it all up to feel special and he got angry at you because you tried to call him on his crap, but it's best to be safe. I feel that I should recommend you don't spend time with him alone; make sure someone else is there or only spend time with him in public places. Distance yourself, but make sure to stay safe.

Alternatively, if you want to poke the bear, ask him which goddess razz

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:47 pm


Sanguina Cruenta
Do you have contact with his family members? Could you speak to them and see if they have noticed changes in his behaviour? He could be developing a disorder like schizophrenia. At least let them know that he has been behaving out of character and has been showing more anger than usual. I mean if he does have a mental disorder, it's their responsibility to get him help, not yours.

I mean it could be that he's just making it all up to feel special and he got angry at you because you tried to call him on his crap, but it's best to be safe. I feel that I should recommend you don't spend time with him alone; make sure someone else is there or only spend time with him in public places. Distance yourself, but make sure to stay safe.

Alternatively, if you want to poke the bear, ask him which goddess razz

Also, this. ^

Thank you, Sang, for the addition. I can't believe I forgot to mention it myself.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:28 am


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I hope you found this helpful. If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to ask. That is what this guild is here for.

Thank you. This was helpful. His family can't afford any couseling so I was thinking of taking him to one with my money. My mom allows it.
As for my father, I rarely see him since he works all day and when he gets home, I'm in my room. Thank you though, if it gets worse I will get help. I don't really have any marks to proove it since i've been pretty good so far. My mom and him get along so that's not a problem.
And my friend conjuring things...I told him not to try because I don't want him doing something I wont do. I'm not 18 nor do I call myself Wiccan. I just study the religion until I'm out on my own.
I'll get him some help, asap. ^^'

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:31 am


Sanguina Cruenta
Do you have contact with his family members? Could you speak to them and see if they have noticed changes in his behaviour? He could be developing a disorder like schizophrenia. At least let them know that he has been behaving out of character and has been showing more anger than usual. I mean if he does have a mental disorder, it's their responsibility to get him help, not yours.

I mean it could be that he's just making it all up to feel special and he got angry at you because you tried to call him on his crap, but it's best to be safe. I feel that I should recommend you don't spend time with him alone; make sure someone else is there or only spend time with him in public places. Distance yourself, but make sure to stay safe.

Alternatively, if you want to poke the bear, ask him which goddess razz

I'll get him some help as soon as possible.

I did..just out of curiosity, and he said it was the greek goddess of death and insanity, Mania.
That's when I knew he was crazy because a simple guy like him would have no way of knowing Mania of all the greek gods and goddesses.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:44 am


UPDATE: He called me this morning and started speaking in French.

I don't ever recall him knowing French and/or taking the language course.

And I took frrench for 6 years, I still couldn't understand what he was saying..they were huge words I've never heard of, but there were a few that I could understand to make out the language was french.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:10 am


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I'll get him some help as soon as possible.

I did..just out of curiosity, and he said it was the greek goddess of death and insanity, Mania.
That's when I knew he was crazy because a simple guy like him would have no way of knowing Mania of all the greek gods and goddesses.


Mania is not a greek goddess of death. It looks like they are Maniae, plural, being spirits of madness. Though the sources aren't always clear on that.

I would not recommend taking him to a counsellor by yourself because he may react in a negative fashion; you'd be in a much better position if you gave his parents the money and let them take him. It's very important that you express your concerns to his parents directly because he may need immediate psychiatric help.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:25 am


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ALonelyFallenStar

I'll get him some help as soon as possible.

I did..just out of curiosity, and he said it was the greek goddess of death and insanity, Mania.
That's when I knew he was crazy because a simple guy like him would have no way of knowing Mania of all the greek gods and goddesses.


Mania is not a greek goddess of death. It looks like they are Maniae, plural, being spirits of madness. Though the sources aren't always clear on that.

I would not recommend taking him to a counsellor by yourself because he may react in a negative fashion; you'd be in a much better position if you gave his parents the money and let them take him. It's very important that you express your concerns to his parents directly because he may need immediate psychiatric help.

I guess. I don't know. I just go by what he said. I don't look up much about greek gods/goddessses.

I can't take him by myself since I have no car. I was planning on talking to his parents about it first.

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