magickal advice

[silvereyes321]

hi, i just want to put in my 2 cents here about magic. i have been practicing now for the better part of 15 years. i learned the hard way that magic is from what is inside you, and that the tools and such that they tell you that you need in books, well, you don't really need them, they only help you to get into the mood for spells.. don't do anything on a specific person.

blessed be to those that are new to the craft and for those who are old to us.  

[TeaDidikai]

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[saint dreya]

would asking for a deity's help during a ritual count as some variant of magic?

and, personally, i think everything has power. so, my tools would very much actually affect my magic working. yeah, i could probably do it myself, but how much more effective would it be if i had tools to augment my own will and energy?

to each their own.  

[silvereyes321]

yeah well, there are those out there that follow the three fold law, personally, i have done my share of so called black magick, esp to those who piss me off, but you have to remember alot of pagans do not believe in harming people. ok, i have gotten my butt chewed before for saying stuff like u did, but you know what? i am not wiccan, i am a witch, i have done " justice" work like u mentioned in your post, but i have done things to people using the necronomicon that have hurt them, do you happen to know the rule about black magick?  

[TeaDidikai]

silvereyes321

yeah well, there are those out there that follow the three fold law, personally, i have done my share of so called black magick, esp to those who piss me off, but you have to remember alot of pagans do not believe in harming people. ok, i have gotten my butt chewed before for saying stuff like u did, but you know what? i am not wiccan, i am a witch, i have done " justice" work like u mentioned in your post, but i have done things to people using the necronomicon that have hurt them, do you happen to know the rule about black magick?

Well, considering not all of us believe in perpetual energy machines- nor the three fold law, and as there is no universal rule for "black magic"- as magic isn't a color (unless you like the idea of octarine... but that's a whole different story all together).

But Prey, tell- what would this rule you speak of be?

(Pstt... it's spelled "Magic").

As for the Necronomicon- it's fiction, which suggest to me you were either working with thoughtforms, could be a liar, or might be delusional.  

[silvereyes321]

well, if you are going to be working with so called black magick, and yes i know how it is spelled, i am 38 years old and not an idiot, the thing is, you cannot regret what you do. i have seen soo many spells backfire on someone when they do something to someone and then regret it later.

as for the necro, i am very good at thought magic, delusional, well, my husband likes to tell me i am because i do not believe he is a god, but he has seen what i can do first hand as many of my friends have, and they know, i never say that i am all powerful, because i know that someon out there is more powerful than me, i never had that delusion, but i am good at what i do, i even healed a 13 year old girl who was suffering from a ruptured cyst on her ovaries, while she was in germany and i was in nebraska, but then i have also made someone go into bouts of catatonia, which she deserved it quite a bit.

and u can pretty well make any spell work for you, just depends on how much you put into it.  

[silvereyes321]

would asking for a deity's help during a ritual count as some variant of magic?

and, personally, i think everything has power. so, my tools would very much actually affect my magic working. yeah, i could probably do it myself, but how much more effective would it be if i had tools to augment my own will and energy?

to each their own.


no, i call upon hecate many times, i didn't like mean to insult anyone or step on any toes, i love calling up the watchtowers and calling upon hecate, i was just meaning that, ok, i learned that like if i was doing a spell, and i didn't have everything it called for not to panick. i did for awhile, and it screwed me up big time. if a spell doesn't work for you, i mean if something feels wrong, don't do it. if it doesn't work, and trust me i have had my share not work, then it wasn't meant to be, but don't put blame on yourself. i don't like to see those who practice the craft beat themselves up for not being able to afford the right tools or for not having faith in themselves. i hope that helps.  

[Nakyra]

Working with Deities as a form of magick...

I spell magic(k) with the extra K because I followed Crowly's teachings and most know that, that is were it originated from.

It depends totally on the type of working your doing - If your asking a deities presence then no... If your asking the deity to carry your will to it's target... then yes...

Simple as that... whatever carries your will to it's target is the form of magick you using.

Three-fold and law of return

This has been overdiscussed a billion times! Personal preference people! If I have to use alliteration again to get a point through I'm going to pop! lol.

Also there are so many different forms/manners/methods to practice magically based religions that the tools, rituals and involvements all play different priority roles... in different magick based religions.

*phew*

I'll await the bombardment of replies now...  

[Pelta]

silvereyes321

well, if you are going to be working with so called black magick, and yes i know how it is spelled, i am 38 years old and not an idiot,

You do know, then, that the work 'magick' with the k on the end was coined by Alestair Crowley to make the word's value fit his gematria. It makes very little sense to use it unless you specifically follow Crowley's teachings.

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the thing is, you cannot regret what you do. i have seen soo many spells backfire on someone when they do something to someone and then regret it later.

I've regretted many things I've done. Perhaps what you meant is that we cannot undo what we've done. And even there I'd disagree with you. One can attempt to banish/stop a spell before it does any further harm, and one can also try to help somehow after the damage has been done. But the question is, why would you be doing something in the first place if you thought you'd regret it later? That seems a little foolhardy.

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as for the necro, i am very good at thought magic, delusional, well, my husband likes to tell me i am because i do not believe he is a god, but he has seen what i can do first hand as many of my friends have, and they know, i never say that i am all powerful, because i know that someon out there is more powerful than me, i never had that delusion, but i am good at what i do, i even healed a 13 year old girl who was suffering from a ruptured cyst on her ovaries, while she was in germany and i was in nebraska, but then i have also made someone go into bouts of catatonia, which she deserved it quite a bit.

Good for you. But really, this isn't the place for bragging and boasting. It's bad form. And to be honest, I don't think many of us really care what you can or can't do. If you'd like to discuss stuff that's all good. But don't go around telling everybody else that you're better than them because you can do this or that. It's somewhat out of place, and reminds me of the snob syndrome. What, do you expect us to bow down to your 'superior' casting skills?  

[TeaDidikai]

silvereyes321

well, if you are going to be working with so called black magick, and yes i know how it is spelled, i am 38 years old and not an idiot, the thing is, you cannot regret what you do.

So you suggest that to work effectively, one is not allowed to have hindsight and appreciate the consequences of their actions?

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i have seen soo many spells backfire on someone when they do something to someone and then regret it later.

Couldn't have anything to do with the nature of the spell itself- or the fact that the caster didn't do it right and allowed their guilt to mess it up at the time of casting, or their overall competence level, or any kind of protection their adversary had in place.

Also, please cite this rule in... well, anything. stare

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as for the necro, i am very good at thought magic, delusional, well, my husband likes to tell me i am because i do not believe he is a god, but he has seen what i can do first hand as many of my friends have, and they know, i never say that i am all powerful, because i know that someon out there is more powerful than me,

Listen to the British Iron Maiden: "Being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are- you aren't".

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i never had that delusion, but i am good at what i do, i even healed a 13 year old girl who was suffering from a ruptured cyst on her ovaries, while she was in germany and i was in nebraska, but then i have also made someone go into bouts of catatonia, which she deserved it quite a bit.

and u can pretty well make any spell work for you, just depends on how much you put into it.

Unless of course you are unequipped to perform the spell, or you are not talented with will working.  

[CuAnnan]

TeaDidikai

So you suggest that to work effectively, one is not allowed to have hindsight and appreciate the consequences of their actions?

Nicely said.

TeaDidikai

Unless of course you are unequipped to perform the spell, or you are not talented with will working.

Indeed, one can get burned out trying to do more than they are physically capable for.  

[Sivirs]

TeaDidikai

Listen to the British Iron Maiden: "Being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are- you aren't".

I imagine if she's really trying to get in contact with Hekate and not just talking smack (I suspect she is, but if she amuses Hekate enough, she'll show up eventually), those ego issues and insecurities will be scourged away soon enough.

I dunno, unless you can provide tangible evidence of your actions, it just seems silly to try to prove how OMGSOPOWARFULL11!!! you are. It's like, what are you, 4 years old? Smells of insecurity, and more importantly of really inept lies (or worse still, flat-out delusions of grandeur). It's like telling someone you were Cleopatra in a past life - sure, if you believe she reincarnated, SOMEONE has to be her reincarnation, but how do you prove it's you? Declaring it just gets you labeled as one of the ten billion morons also claiming the same.  

[TeaDidikai]

reagun ban

TeaDidikai

So you suggest that to work effectively, one is not allowed to have hindsight and appreciate the consequences of their actions?

Nicely said.

TeaDidikai

Unless of course you are unequipped to perform the spell, or you are not talented with will working.

Indeed, one can get burned out trying to do more than they are physically capable for.

~Sweeping bow~

I was wondering when you would join the party.

Sivirs>> Granted that unusual things do happen. Granted that there is such thing as talent and that some unique abilities can and do creep people out. But unless it directly affects others- why should we care if someone can blast fireballs out of their a**?  

[saint dreya]

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[maenad nuri]

Tea: If someone can shoot fireballs out of their a**, I do care. At least enough to know not to walk behind them.

Phoenix: I'm in the same boat. I've met very few people that I could do magical revenge on. I can think of one right now, but man, that would require more effort than if I just let her be.