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IBarkAtTheMoon

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:30 pm


Sorry, but playing trough the witcher 2 I kept on comparing with DA.
I still think DA:O owns The witcher 2.
But The Witcher 2 trully owns DA 2.
Bioware, take some notes on how a mature rpg should be done.
Dark story, bigger than life characters, good character development (DA surprised did it better but WTF with DA2?)

If your comp can handle The Witcher 2 (at max specs for a real good experience) jump on it. Seriously.
I don't know how the console version will be (Gameplay will be good if kept the same, I play most of the time using my 360 controller excecpt when exploring cities)

Now I'm ready to get flammed.
But DA2 was good, nowhere near origin.
And the witcher 2 just is near DA origin, and better than DA 2 in my humble opinion.

One of the many reasons is that it did not try to go mainstream
which DA 2 did.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:21 pm


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Hum, I've never played The Witcher games but I must disagree about a mature roleplay game needing to be dark. I find DA:O to be a classic 'mature' roleplaying game and don't consider it to be dark. It's almost a bloody giggle fest! ;3

Edit: "Mainstream"? I think they prefer the oh so charming words "Stream Line". /shot
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Varric Tethras

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IBarkAtTheMoon

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:26 pm


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Hum, I've never played The Witcher games but I must disagree about a mature roleplay game needing to be dark. I find DA:O to be a classic 'mature' roleplaying game and don't consider it to be dark. It's almost a bloody giggle fest! ;3

Edit: "Mainstream"? I think they prefer the oh so charming words "Stream Line". /shot
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By mature I don't mean the need for blood flying around, I mean more around the darker side of life, more of a gray line in your descision. Not a good or evil choice all the time, but more complicated choices.
I'm not saying they all need to be dark to be mature.
But the overall way it is done, (at my old 29 years old) I feel more like the heroes acts their age instead of DA 2 where I'm often wondering why they somehow act so much more immature.
DA:O had it more on the spot.
Witcher 2 also does.
DA 2? I feel like they are 17, not in their 20's 30's
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:16 pm


I heard it was pretty good. I'll take a look.

The Blurry Surrealist

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IBarkAtTheMoon

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:22 pm


The Blurry Surrealist
I heard it was pretty good. I'll take a look.

They announced a release on 360.
I'm not a pc gamer usually, but I doubt they will be even able to match the pc version running on "extra specs" or even high specs, since they use technology not even supported on the 360.
(I,m not some stuck up pc elistic a*****e, just that I wanted that game pretty bad and had an overkill pc so...hell, I even play with my 360 controller lol)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:23 pm


Yeah. If I used my PC more often, I'd definitely get all my games for it. Ah well.
Will it be on PS3, do you know?

The Blurry Surrealist

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Varric Tethras

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:16 am


IBarkAtTheMoon
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Hum, I've never played The Witcher games but I must disagree about a mature roleplay game needing to be dark. I find DA:O to be a classic 'mature' roleplaying game and don't consider it to be dark. It's almost a bloody giggle fest! ;3

Edit: "Mainstream"? I think they prefer the oh so charming words "Stream Line". /shot
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By mature I don't mean the need for blood flying around, I mean more around the darker side of life, more of a gray line in your descision. Not a good or evil choice all the time, but more complicated choices.
I'm not saying they all need to be dark to be mature.
But the overall way it is done, (at my old 29 years old) I feel more like the heroes acts their age instead of DA 2 where I'm often wondering why they somehow act so much more immature.
DA:O had it more on the spot.
Witcher 2 also does.
DA 2? I feel like they are 17, not in their 20's 30's

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Again, I must disagree. I enjoy a character that dose not fixate on the negative things going on around them. To say that a game needs to shine a light on a character that broods over the hardships of life in order to be 'mature' I think is silly. That is a personal choice that holds true for you, but not others. It's easy to constantly go over bad thing after bad thing, to me a true 'hero' would be some one that looks past that and moves onto the future.

Hmm, well to be fair you can play your Hawke as dark as you want. *Spoilers* You can kill the Dalish, sell Fenris, let Anders kill the mage girl he tried to save ect. *End Spoilers* I, for one, think Dragon Age II had no 'good' choice. The Mage's and the Templar's both showed there worst representatives come end game. Peace would have been the 'good' choice, but it was not one.

Ahhhh~ It is so nice to debate. :'3
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:41 pm


Dream Of Pixies
IBarkAtTheMoon
Dream Of Pixies
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Hum, I've never played The Witcher games but I must disagree about a mature roleplay game needing to be dark. I find DA:O to be a classic 'mature' roleplaying game and don't consider it to be dark. It's almost a bloody giggle fest! ;3

Edit: "Mainstream"? I think they prefer the oh so charming words "Stream Line". /shot
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By mature I don't mean the need for blood flying around, I mean more around the darker side of life, more of a gray line in your descision. Not a good or evil choice all the time, but more complicated choices.
I'm not saying they all need to be dark to be mature.
But the overall way it is done, (at my old 29 years old) I feel more like the heroes acts their age instead of DA 2 where I'm often wondering why they somehow act so much more immature.
DA:O had it more on the spot.
Witcher 2 also does.
DA 2? I feel like they are 17, not in their 20's 30's

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Again, I must disagree. I enjoy a character that dose not fixate on the negative things going on around them. To say that a game needs to shine a light on a character that broods over the hardships of life in order to be 'mature' I think is silly. That is a personal choice that holds true for you, but not others. It's easy to constantly go over bad thing after bad thing, to me a true 'hero' would be some one that looks past that and moves onto the future.

Hmm, well to be fair you can play your Hawke as dark as you want. *Spoilers* You can kill the Dalish, sell Fenris, let Anders kill the mage girl he tried to save ect. *End Spoilers* I, for one, think Dragon Age II had no 'good' choice. The Mage's and the Templar's both showed there worst representatives come end game. Peace would have been the 'good' choice, but it was not one.

Ahhhh~ It is so nice to debate. :'3
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I know, I actually pointed all these things to someone who was telling me to go get the witcher 2 asap...
But seriously, I'm not sure we see dark the same way.
About the choices too.
Hard to explain, I connect with the characters in the witcher 2 more than those in DA 2, but still, not as much as those from DA:O
Being mature do not mean not to be happy and to know when to party and have fun and just raise hell, it's more about knowing when to.
Anyway, I'm really sucked into The witcher 2.
And how to say about the descision and choice?
They carry more weight,
They have more of a follow trough, as in, I feel often DA 2 give you so few choices that really change something, and that hawke seems to have forgotten right after since it was a sidequest or something, where sidequests descisions in the witcher 2 just always seems to remain with you.
I'm not sure why, I just feel like DA2 was incredibly outdone.

IBarkAtTheMoon


Varric Tethras

Wealthy Businessman

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:39 pm


IBarkAtTheMoon
Dream Of Pixies
IBarkAtTheMoon
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Hum, I've never played The Witcher games but I must disagree about a mature roleplay game needing to be dark. I find DA:O to be a classic 'mature' roleplaying game and don't consider it to be dark. It's almost a bloody giggle fest! ;3

Edit: "Mainstream"? I think they prefer the oh so charming words "Stream Line". /shot
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xxxxx


By mature I don't mean the need for blood flying around, I mean more around the darker side of life, more of a gray line in your descision. Not a good or evil choice all the time, but more complicated choices.
I'm not saying they all need to be dark to be mature.
But the overall way it is done, (at my old 29 years old) I feel more like the heroes acts their age instead of DA 2 where I'm often wondering why they somehow act so much more immature.
DA:O had it more on the spot.
Witcher 2 also does.
DA 2? I feel like they are 17, not in their 20's 30's

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Again, I must disagree. I enjoy a character that dose not fixate on the negative things going on around them. To say that a game needs to shine a light on a character that broods over the hardships of life in order to be 'mature' I think is silly. That is a personal choice that holds true for you, but not others. It's easy to constantly go over bad thing after bad thing, to me a true 'hero' would be some one that looks past that and moves onto the future.

Hmm, well to be fair you can play your Hawke as dark as you want. *Spoilers* You can kill the Dalish, sell Fenris, let Anders kill the mage girl he tried to save ect. *End Spoilers* I, for one, think Dragon Age II had no 'good' choice. The Mage's and the Templar's both showed there worst representatives come end game. Peace would have been the 'good' choice, but it was not one.

Ahhhh~ It is so nice to debate. :'3
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I know, I actually pointed all these things to someone who was telling me to go get the witcher 2 asap...
But seriously, I'm not sure we see dark the same way.
About the choices too.
Hard to explain, I connect with the characters in the witcher 2 more than those in DA 2, but still, not as much as those from DA:O
Being mature do not mean not to be happy and to know when to party and have fun and just raise hell, it's more about knowing when to.
Anyway, I'm really sucked into The witcher 2.
And how to say about the descision and choice?
They carry more weight,
They have more of a follow trough, as in, I feel often DA 2 give you so few choices that really change something, and that hawke seems to have forgotten right after since it was a sidequest or something, where sidequests descisions in the witcher 2 just always seems to remain with you.
I'm not sure why, I just feel like DA2 was incredibly outdone.

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You might have a point there, about us not seeing 'dark' the same any way. I enjoyed the characters is DA 2 myself. Hell, they might be the thing about the game I loved most. To each there own~ For Hawke's characterization I think it is more about how you play him. IE: Changing him from a happy-go-lucky person to a more aggressive one come end game.

To be clear I'm not trying to knock The Witcher games at all or pretend I was overjoyed with Dragon Age 2 or anything. You clearly really enjoy The Witcher games. Honestly it's nice to see a story hook some one like that. Odd that you would compare them to Dragon Age, to me. Then again I'm going off of gameplay videos and plot summaries so for all I know the games could have leaps in common. X3
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:19 am


Dream Of Pixies
IBarkAtTheMoon
Dream Of Pixies
IBarkAtTheMoon
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Hum, I've never played The Witcher games but I must disagree about a mature roleplay game needing to be dark. I find DA:O to be a classic 'mature' roleplaying game and don't consider it to be dark. It's almost a bloody giggle fest! ;3

Edit: "Mainstream"? I think they prefer the oh so charming words "Stream Line". /shot
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xxxxx


By mature I don't mean the need for blood flying around, I mean more around the darker side of life, more of a gray line in your descision. Not a good or evil choice all the time, but more complicated choices.
I'm not saying they all need to be dark to be mature.
But the overall way it is done, (at my old 29 years old) I feel more like the heroes acts their age instead of DA 2 where I'm often wondering why they somehow act so much more immature.
DA:O had it more on the spot.
Witcher 2 also does.
DA 2? I feel like they are 17, not in their 20's 30's

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Again, I must disagree. I enjoy a character that dose not fixate on the negative things going on around them. To say that a game needs to shine a light on a character that broods over the hardships of life in order to be 'mature' I think is silly. That is a personal choice that holds true for you, but not others. It's easy to constantly go over bad thing after bad thing, to me a true 'hero' would be some one that looks past that and moves onto the future.

Hmm, well to be fair you can play your Hawke as dark as you want. *Spoilers* You can kill the Dalish, sell Fenris, let Anders kill the mage girl he tried to save ect. *End Spoilers* I, for one, think Dragon Age II had no 'good' choice. The Mage's and the Templar's both showed there worst representatives come end game. Peace would have been the 'good' choice, but it was not one.

Ahhhh~ It is so nice to debate. :'3
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xxxxx


I know, I actually pointed all these things to someone who was telling me to go get the witcher 2 asap...
But seriously, I'm not sure we see dark the same way.
About the choices too.
Hard to explain, I connect with the characters in the witcher 2 more than those in DA 2, but still, not as much as those from DA:O
Being mature do not mean not to be happy and to know when to party and have fun and just raise hell, it's more about knowing when to.
Anyway, I'm really sucked into The witcher 2.
And how to say about the descision and choice?
They carry more weight,
They have more of a follow trough, as in, I feel often DA 2 give you so few choices that really change something, and that hawke seems to have forgotten right after since it was a sidequest or something, where sidequests descisions in the witcher 2 just always seems to remain with you.
I'm not sure why, I just feel like DA2 was incredibly outdone.

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You might have a point there, about us not seeing 'dark' the same any way. I enjoyed the characters is DA 2 myself. Hell, they might be the thing about the game I loved most. To each there own~ For Hawke's characterization I think it is more about how you play him. IE: Changing him from a happy-go-lucky person to a more aggressive one come end game.

To be clear I'm not trying to knock The Witcher games at all or pretend I was overjoyed with Dragon Age 2 or anything. You clearly really enjoy The Witcher games. Honestly it's nice to see a story hook some one like that. Odd that you would compare them to Dragon Age, to me. Then again I'm going off of gameplay videos and plot summaries so for all I know the games could have leaps in common. X3
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They both are pc RPGs style.
They oth are sequels.
The first witcher was not the best game ever, was very flawed.
The first dragon age was a real gem
the characters did make DA:O in a big way too, they felt really bigger than life, so real.

Then came DA2. Expected a real wonder. Got a good game, but that I hd so overhyped and that with the third announced and the ending already feels like it was just there to fills a gap for the third.
Characters are alright, but somehow far from as deep as in origins.
The sytem is simplified to a ridiculous point.
Hawke DOES react, but the people around do not really react differently...so...I see no one in the street pretending they are the champions or running away...
To me the expectations were mighty high for DA 2. And i really mean high.

Then The witcher 2 came with most people (me included) not expecting much and it literally knock me flat on my a**.
Every details is important. While the fighting system is different, outside of it is very alike.
You ever read what is considered by most one of the best depiction of medieval time The pillar of the earth by Ken Follet?
I have more a feeling to be in that age, I'm more immersed.
Characters surprises me at time.
The way the story unfold is simply splendid.
I find the characters to make me react more than the ones from DA2.
I think that darker to me is more the ambiance, the setting, and also how they portrayed the middle age. It is not pretty...The butcher is opening his pig outside. They hanged elves just for being elves, they are still in the town square, a reminder of what is going on.
(I mean, lowtown look good for a place to live for a so called midle age place in DA2)

MANY more npcs around, normal villagers living a life and reacting to what you do. By dark I mean literally dark as in:It is why middle age is called the dark age.
The plot is kind of dark as are some of the character, but I think that I misused dark in that aspect.
the "more mature" feel to it, I am not sure. Maybe it is the obvious lack of censorship (I don't just mean nudity or violence, I mean more:That is our idea, we do that) where you feel that DA2 they were censoring themselves or at least very closely monitoring what they were doing
It's not just about language, violence or nudity, anew. It is a general feeling.
The feelings hits me the most when Isabela and Chin lady (hehehe) are in your party. One call the other a slut all the time, the other call her stuck up, they throw a lot of (I'll admit funny) sophomoric jokes that are supposed to be insults. (If you know wrestling, it reminded me of Degeneration X...seruiously. lol)
Yet with all that taking of being a slut, whore, of isabela asking how Aveline feel since she is wed to have her knees slammed against her breasts as she get nailed like an old plank (I think that is word for word) you feel they had to censor themselves with a romance scene, with some more serious topics too. I have a feeling they threw in some swearing, violence and extra blood to cover up. I would have wanted to see more of undertown, to have an option to go do something about or at least interact more.
That what will happens to the people who came from ferelden depends more than about the donation of 2,3 or 4 gold (yes, the choice actually change the situatin of every ferelden, more than th emine. lol)
Why not explore a bit more hawke with the death of his mother? It barely seems like it happened and that anyone noticed.
No kids really.
Kids are always good to pass a message and touch me.
In The Witcher 2 there is kids singing litle songs about killing all the elves, all innocently as if it was normal to them, which really makes you go:Woah! Things are really ******** up.

Lothering looked middle age in DA:O
Kirckwall doesn't.

It might simply be since english is a second language that it came out wrong

Hell, I've written this post in about 10 different times, (talking to peep inbetween typing) so I hope it makes some sense

IBarkAtTheMoon

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