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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:31 am
This guild has so much information. I'm glad I joined. Also, you all are very knowledgeable about the different paths one could take.
I know now that Wicca is definitely not for me. For all my so-called research, I had no idea that it was founded by a man named Gardner, or that it was an oath locked religion with the key being the 3 rites of initiation. Or even that it was a fertility cult. I've bought many books on the subject. I haven't read all of them, and the ones I did read now seem to be of the "make this up to make money" sort.
What I believe is pretty simple. I believe that there is a Father and a Mother deity, but that there are also deities that serve them by taking different aspects of their rule. I believe in harming none in everything one does.
I don't really have any special skills. In high school, I was able to listen and give really good advice, that actually worked for my friends. Unfortunately, with everything that has happened since graduation, I've lost my taste for most social situations, and as a result, lost my knack for personal solutions. I'm not sensitive to the paranormal. I believe in it, but haven't had a true encounter of any kind. I can't see or feel energy. Although I can see the effects of concentrating energy on the weather. My fiance has a knack for making the wind blow and making it storm when he's irate. I can read tarot with a decent percentage of accuracy. Enough to read for myself and family, but not comfortably for others.
There are things I would like to learn, like reading energy or healing. It's just hard for me to interact with people in general.
Do you have any suggestions, maybe?
I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for, I just feel lost. confused
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:53 am
Grims Sakura This guild has so much information. I'm glad I joined. Also, you all are very knowledgeable about the different paths one could take. I know now that Wicca is definitely not for me. For all my so-called research, I had no idea that it was founded by a man named Gardner, or that it was an oath locked religion with the key being the 3 rites of initiation. Or even that it was a fertility cult. I've bought many books on the subject. I haven't read all of them, and the ones I did read now seem to be of the "make this up to make money" sort. What I believe is pretty simple. I believe that there is a Father and a Mother deity, but that there are also deities that serve them by taking different aspects of their rule. I believe in harming none in everything one does. I don't really have any special skills. In high school, I was able to listen and give really good advice, that actually worked for my friends. Unfortunately, with everything that has happened since graduation, I've lost my taste for most social situations, and as a result, lost my knack for personal solutions. I'm not sensitive to the paranormal. I believe in it, but haven't had a true encounter of any kind. I can't see or feel energy. Although I can see the effects of concentrating energy on the weather. My fiance has a knack for making the wind blow and making it storm when he's irate. I can read tarot with a decent percentage of accuracy. Enough to read for myself and family, but not comfortably for others. There are things I would like to learn, like reading energy or healing. It's just hard for me to interact with people in general. Do you have any suggestions, maybe? I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for, I just feel lost. confused i would really suggest talking to a Wicca priest or priestess to clear up what people are telling you because i felt the same way you did feel free to msg me and i can tell you what i have found out and if you have a youtube account i know someone you can talk to that is part of a Wicca coven and has many years of practice and experience. she can clear up any questions or concerns that u have like she did for me =] after talking to her i feel much better about Wicca and i think u will too. just let me know
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Underworld Priestess Crew
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:12 am
Wicca is NOT for everybody. I studied that path at one point but I knew it wasn't for me, there are a lot of reasons why I was not into it. I feel that your religious or spiritual path should be what feels best and right for you. The way you are talking I would suggest Ecclectic Paganism. You can look into different aspects and find what feels right for you and be on your own path. Of course this path does have certain "rules", and generally it is not appropriate to mix deities of different pantheons, but do what feels right for you. Dragoness is on an eccletic path and could certainly explain her path better than I can. I think she has a few posts on her path throughout the threads.
Is there any particular pantheon that you are drawn to? You don't have to have a pantheon to start but it could help you along, possibly.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:48 am
Sin, I appreciate the advice, but like I said, Wicca isn't for me. I'm not pursuing Wicca anymore. So to talk to a priest/priestess seems rather pointless.
Underworld Priestess: I'm more drawn to the Greek Pantheon than any. Other pantheons seem a little redundant, but only because they're similar deities for different cultures. There are a few that stand out to me, like Loki from Norse and Bast from Egyptian, but I'm sure that I could find a parallel if I delve deeper into the Greek pantheon. I've been trying to find out about Ancient Greek practices and lifestyles, but it's difficult for me to get to the library. I've searched all over the internet, but I haven't found reliable sources. I keep going back to Wikipedia because it's all in one place, but I don't trust the information I've gleaned from it.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:38 pm
Grims Sakura Other pantheons seem a little redundant, but only because they're similar deities for different cultures. When I started researching things outside of a syncrnistic perspective- I found out very quickly that they're not as similar as the "write a crappy book for $$$$" would have me believe. sweatdrop Even the Roman and Greek pantheons seem like while some of them are very similar- other gods are very different even when they're equated with each other. Motivations, myths and personalities aren't really done any justice in a lot of these books- so maybe looking into some of the original lore on the different gods- like the Eddas or the Hymns and the Iliad and the Oddessey- or other things like that might be very helpful. Sometimes ancient historians wrote stuff down too- but you have to be a little careful with that because a lot of times it was propaganda. Theoi.com is a good source and it shows you a lot of the original writings that they use to get to their conclusions. 3nodding Just for an example though- say you have 3 people, all of whom killed someone. One killed someone who tried to burgle their house, and would have killed his wife and kids. One was a solider and killed someone on the battle field. One was a thief who stole a man's wallet and capped them. A lot of these books would say- oh, they all killed someone, so that makes them all warriors. Only one is a solider*- so it kind of makes sense for him- but the others? Not as much. If this was that kind of book- they would be calling all three of these people "Gods of War" and saying they're the same. Be careful about calling them all the same before you do enough reading on what the people who first worshiped them thought of them- instead of the modern cliff notes version. (*Example is based on the habit of calling Mars and Aries the same)
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:47 pm
And here I am lol.
You sound a lot like me Sakura, though I knew what Wicca was when I began seeking a coven. I knew the history and basics of Wicca and began seeking, though I never did find a coven. After some years, I had found I'd moved away from wanting to become Wiccan and am now simply an eclectic pagan.
I believe in a mother and father deity, the goddess having a triple aspect. They are very specific personalities, though they often appear in different forms/aspects depending on the situation, but they are still themselves. I believe in reincarnation, and that once our souls gain enough "experience" they move onto a place similar to heaven. While I don't wholly believe in "harm none", I refuse to take part in pointless harm. As in, I have no problem eating meat, or putting murders to death.
I found it easier to simply keep my beliefs without trying to find a religion that fit them.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:29 pm
Esiris: I never thought of it like that. I just knew that Greek and Roman were very similar. I also never read into Roman mythology though. So I was unaware that they would have much different histories for their deities. Thank you for the link. It'll help 3nodding
Dragoness: I'm not sure about the triple aspect. It sounds a bit like the Holy Trinity of the Abrahamic (is that the right term?) God. Although, if you're referring to Maiden-Mother-Crone, I know a bit about it. I believe in many different forms of reincarnation. I haven't heard or thought of earning a place in paradise in that way.
Also, I guess I didn't realize about 'harm none'. More to learn than I thought ^^;
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:19 pm
Grims Sakura Esiris: I never thought of it like that. I just knew that Greek and Roman were very similar. I also never read into Roman mythology though. So I was unaware that they would have much different histories for their deities. Thank you for the link. It'll help 3nodding They're different- but some of it is the same because the Romans adopted/appropriated Greek culture. When you get outside of religions that share that kind of link, the differences get larger- like, I wouldn't say that Bast or Loki have "equivalents" in other cultures. One of the ones I keep hearing is that Freya = Bast, but I got to listen to someone who researches ancient paganism as part of their Masters Degree, and she was explaining how people equate a couple attributes (sacred felines and martial aspects) to being the same person. When she mentioned it- she was like "Are all women doctors the same just because they're women and doctors?" I don't remember much of her explanations- that analogy really stood out for me though.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:33 pm
I wouldn't expect exactly the same, especially since they were completely different cultures. I've never heard about Freya being the same as Bast, but that's interesting. That lady is definitely right, and that's an awesome analogy.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:31 pm
Grims Sakura Esiris: I never thought of it like that. I just knew that Greek and Roman were very similar. I also never read into Roman mythology though. So I was unaware that they would have much different histories for their deities. Thank you for the link. It'll help 3nodding Dragoness: I'm not sure about the triple aspect. It sounds a bit like the Holy Trinity of the Abrahamic (is that the right term?) God. Although, if you're referring to Maiden-Mother-Crone, I know a bit about it. I believe in many different forms of reincarnation. I haven't heard or thought of earning a place in paradise in that way. Also, I guess I didn't realize about 'harm none'. More to learn than I thought ^^; Similar to the Maiden, Mother, Crone bit, but I also believe she has a separate aspect as well, that symbolizes the afterlife/death. She only ever appears to us in this form when we die and is meant specifically to guide our souls into the next life. She's not -quite- a part of the goddess though. The best way to describe it is that at one time, she was simply the triple aspect goddess, but when she, and others, created life (I can go into that more if you want), a new part of her was born so that she could guide our souls.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 6:04 pm
Dragoness Arleeana Similar to the Maiden, Mother, Crone bit, but I also believe she has a separate aspect as well, that symbolizes the afterlife/death. She only ever appears to us in this form when we die and is meant specifically to guide our souls into the next life. She's not -quite- a part of the goddess though. The best way to describe it is that at one time, she was simply the triple aspect goddess, but when she, and others, created life (I can go into that more if you want), a new part of her was born so that she could guide our souls. I like that. And it makes sense that she wouldn't just hand that responsibility off to another. I'm not as big on the moon as my mother-in-law (she is a Cancer and absolutely adores anything having to do with the moon), but there is something about the Maiden, Mother, Crone that feels about right to me. Yes, I would love to hear about this fourth aspect, if you don't mind. ^^
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:59 am
Grims Sakura Dragoness Arleeana Similar to the Maiden, Mother, Crone bit, but I also believe she has a separate aspect as well, that symbolizes the afterlife/death. She only ever appears to us in this form when we die and is meant specifically to guide our souls into the next life. She's not -quite- a part of the goddess though. The best way to describe it is that at one time, she was simply the triple aspect goddess, but when she, and others, created life (I can go into that more if you want), a new part of her was born so that she could guide our souls. I like that. And it makes sense that she wouldn't just hand that responsibility off to another. I'm not as big on the moon as my mother-in-law (she is a Cancer and absolutely adores anything having to do with the moon), but there is something about the Maiden, Mother, Crone that feels about right to me. Yes, I would love to hear about this fourth aspect, if you don't mind. ^^ My coven, and myself obviously, believe in something called a "living religion", where we know and accept that as we, and the world, grows, so do our beliefs. Because of this, I am willing to accept science when it is able to prove/disprove something. (unlike some religious people) I believe in the big bang theory and evolution. I believe that our Gods were other beings that evolved and became what they are today and learned how to create life. They decided to create our universe and life within it. However, they were not expecting our souls or the afterlife that came with it. the goddess I worship was at the center of this "experiment" and when they created us, our souls were born and the afterlife came into being. In my beliefs, the gods used parts of themselves to create the universe, and that is how they became "attached" to our world/universe. Because of this, when our souls were born/afterlife came into creation, they changed as well. In my goddess's case, it caused a new persona to split from her. This part of her, her "dark side" (not evil), guides our souls between lives and into the afterlife in the end. When our souls pass into the afterlife, we "rejoin" with the gods, since we are a part of them/a piece of them is in all of us kinda deal. While we still have our individual persona's, we are also connect as one. Kind of like knots on a string. They stand out individually, but are still all connected. I worship a god as well, but he played little role in creating us. Most of my worshiping is devoted to my goddess. He is equally important, but deals with much different areas. He deals specifically with Earth and the seasons and things like that.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:00 am
Dragoness Arleeana My coven, and myself obviously, believe in something called a "living religion", where we know and accept that as we, and the world, grows, so do our beliefs. Because of this, I am willing to accept science when it is able to prove/disprove something. (unlike some religious people) I believe in the big bang theory and evolution. I believe that our Gods were other beings that evolved and became what they are today and learned how to create life. They decided to create our universe and life within it. However, they were not expecting our souls or the afterlife that came with it. the goddess I worship was at the center of this "experiment" and when they created us, our souls were born and the afterlife came into being. In my beliefs, the gods used parts of themselves to create the universe, and that is how they became "attached" to our world/universe. Because of this, when our souls were born/afterlife came into creation, they changed as well. In my goddess's case, it caused a new persona to split from her. This part of her, her "dark side" (not evil), guides our souls between lives and into the afterlife in the end. When our souls pass into the afterlife, we "rejoin" with the gods, since we are a part of them/a piece of them is in all of us kinda deal. While we still have our individual persona's, we are also connect as one. Kind of like knots on a string. They stand out individually, but are still all connected. I worship a god as well, but he played little role in creating us. Most of my worshiping is devoted to my goddess. He is equally important, but deals with much different areas. He deals specifically with Earth and the seasons and things like that. I didn't know there were religions that embraced science. I mean, it doesn't surprise me to know that there are people who believe in both, but it kinda does surprise me that it has a name. The deities being a part of what they created is great. I really like the part about another part of the goddess being born when humankind was created. It's all balance. Cause and effect. Also the afterlife, the end of the road. After so many reincarnations, a soul returns to the beings that created it. I do recognize a god, but I mostly worship the goddess. I'm not sure exactly why it's uncomfortable for me to worship the god, it just is.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:17 am
Grims Sakura I do recognize a god, but I mostly worship the goddess. I'm not sure exactly why it's uncomfortable for me to worship the god, it just is. What makes you uncomfortable about worshiping the god?
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:28 am
... Well, part of it is the fact that I don't have many good experiences with males, deity or otherwise.
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