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 Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:06 am
i have an interest in converting to Wiccanism and i have been doing much of my own research, mostly from books and the Wiccan bible, but i would like to know more from the people biggrin
idk wut to ask really so tell me what you know and i will ask from there ^_^
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:40 am
The best advice I can give you is to look into the local covens in your area and see if one appeals to you. There are quite a few people out there that will tell you that you can't be a Wiccan until you are initiated into a coven.
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Underworld Priestess Crew
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:11 am
the only hard part about that though is i come from a Christian family. i think my dad would support me its my mom im worried about...
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:12 pm
Being a pagan is so refreshing for me. Christianity never felt right, with all the suffocating rules. You can be a solitary or in a coven, its your choice, but I'm sure it would be more fun with a coven. As for getting your parents to accept it, that's hard. Be who you want to be and you'll be happy.
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:00 pm
thanks perphella
Christianity never felt right to me either
how did u tell your parents you wanted to be pagan/ Wiccan
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:01 am
First off, it's Wicca, not Wiccanism. A person who practices Wicca is a Wiccan. The "rules" of Wicca, laid our by the creator/founder state that you MUST be initiated to be Wiccan, by a lineaged coven.
What you need to realize, and most don't, is that Wicca is not some earth worshiping religion like it's usually made out to be. It is a fertility cult. While they do see fertility in nature, Wiccans do not worship it. They worship two very specific Gods, the names of which are oath bound, along with most of the practice. Meaning, there is absolutely no way to know the names of these gods until you have gone through a proper initiation. This is the biggest reason you need to be initiated. You cannot worship Gods, especially in the correct manner, if you have no clue who you're worshiping or what rituals they expect from you.
Wicca is about "right practice", meaning it doesn't matter so much what you believe or practice personally, so long as while you are paying tribute/ritual/worshiping the Wiccan gods, you do it RIGHT. so, yes, it is perfectly possible to be Christian and Wiccan at the same time. This, again, is another reason for initiation.
Going back to it being a fertility cult. You cannot become Wiccan until you are at least 18, if any coven is initiating people before that age (and even that is young for many to accept) they more than likely cannot be trusted. Everything about Wicca is sexual, including the initiation. For you first degree (first level) of initiation, a person of the opposite gender will kiss your bare genitals and breasts, along with other areas. I'm not sure what second degree initiation entails, but third degree requires actual sex or symbolized intercourse within ritual. These are the reasons it is not only against the law, but against the "rules" of Wicca.
I stress that this is not the hippy-dippy religion so many authors make it out to be. the best places to get your facts would be to find Gerald Gardners works and start there. Since he founded the practice, it's really the best place to start.
If you find that Wicca is not for you, but still feel that paganism in general is what you're looking for, look around and do some research. There are hundreds of different paths/practices out there. While Wicca is the most mainstream at the moment, it's not necessarily right for you. I hope some of the basic information I provided you will be helpful. smile
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:20 pm
sry for the "wiccanism" mistake
i am reading a Wicca bible and the it says “sexual activity is generally not a part of a initiation until third degree in the alexandrian tradition, and even then it is generally between a committed couple entering initiation together, or the “sacred Marriage” and not between persons.”
Wicca is not at all what you are describing it to be...
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 7:55 pm
xXSin_TalonXx sry for the "wiccanism" mistake i am reading a Wicca bible and the it says “sexual activity is generally not a part of a initiation until third degree in the alexandrian tradition, and even then it is generally between a committed couple entering initiation together, or the “sacred Marriage” and not between persons.” Wicca is not at all what you are describing it to be... The one by the Farrars? That's a good book. They're referring to the Great Rite, which involves intercourse. There are sexual elements to first-degree initiations, such as being naked and bound, and the kissing of genitals in the fivefold kiss, that would not be considered appropriate for people who are underage. I'm pretty sure the Farrars include an example of what an initiation ritual is like in that book.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:25 am
xXSin_TalonXx sry for the "wiccanism" mistake i am reading a Wicca bible and the it says “sexual activity is generally not a part of a initiation until third degree in the alexandrian tradition, and even then it is generally between a committed couple entering initiation together, or the “sacred Marriage” and not between persons.” Wicca is not at all what you are describing it to be... Wicca is very much what I'm describing it to be. Since you know nothing about Wicca, as you stated, and are asking for help, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss what we have to say. One book is not the tell-all and know-all and will not give you all the details. The Witches Bible, if by the Farrars is definitely a good starting place though. However, Alexandrian Wicca is but one of the few "legit" Wiccan paths. I'd like Sanguina to correct me if I'm wrong if possible, but I believe that the kissing of the genitals and being tied up bit is a part of all Wiccan practices. I believe it is one of those things that if it were changed/removed it would cease to be Wicca. With Wicca, and arguably any religion, if you change too much it ceases to be that religion. Since Wicca is ALL about how you practice, it is stressed even more so. Third degree initiation is very often done symbolically. It does not have to be actual intercourse in most cases. Also, I would like to point out the sheer amount of time it would take a person to get to the third degree. these initiations do not even normally happen a year or two apart. I think it would be safe to say that if a person received their first degree initiation at the age of 20, they very well might not even gain their third degree initiation until 40-50 years of age, maybe even later. (I believe that is a average) I'm going to list each initiation and what it entails in general, someone correct me if I flub this a bit. 1st Degree: This is the level where you begin to learn what Wicca is all about. You are a part of the coven which initiates you and you are unable to start your own coven at this time. 2nd Degree: With the permission of the high priestess, a second level initiate is allowed to "hive" off, starting their own coven. However, this is not their independently. They are still technically under the tutelage of their previous coven and must "report" to the high priestess. 3rd Degree: I'm not sure if they need the permission of the high priestess or not, but they are allowed to hive off and create their own coven, often times bringing some of the original coven members with them into the new one. A wiccan of the 3rd degree now has the "power" that their previous coven high priestess did within this new coven. "Witch Queen": A Witch Queen is a high priestess that has had other covens hive off of her own. She will often wear a witches garder, with a buckle for each coven.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:37 pm
Dragoness Arleeana "Witch Queen": A Witch Queen is a high priestess that has had other covens hive off of her own. She will often wear a witches garder, with a buckle for each coven.
I've never heard of this one before. It sounds just a little to melodramatic and romanticized to be real IMO.
Also, is this implying that only women can have multiple covens hive off from them? Can there be no such thing as a "Witch King"? The 1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees are all gender neutral terms/titles, but this one is very gender specific. I find that odd considering that Wicca was created by a man in the first place.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:23 pm
Renkon Root
I've never heard of this one before. It sounds just a little to melodramatic and romanticized to be real IMO.
Also, is this implying that only women can have multiple covens hive off from them? Can there be no such thing as a "Witch King"? The 1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees are all gender neutral terms/titles, but this one is very gender specific. I find that odd considering that Wicca was created by a man in the first place.
It's a term lineaged Wiccans use, though it doesn't seem to be too commonly used- maybe because the ratio of High Priestesses to Witch Queens is small? I think Alex Saunders and others have been called "King of the Witches".
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:42 am
Renkon Root Dragoness Arleeana "Witch Queen": A Witch Queen is a high priestess that has had other covens hive off of her own. She will often wear a witches garder, with a buckle for each coven.
I've never heard of this one before. It sounds just a little to melodramatic and romanticized to be real IMO.
Also, is this implying that only women can have multiple covens hive off from them? Can there be no such thing as a "Witch King"? The 1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees are all gender neutral terms/titles, but this one is very gender specific. I find that odd considering that Wicca was created by a man in the first place.
What Esiris said. The only time I've ever seen/heard this mentioned is in the Witches Bible, by the Farrars, as well as in a documentary of Alex Saunders. From what I've seen of Wicca, the high priestess definitely has more power within the coven. However, since I'm not Wiccan, there's really no way for me to say that with certainty, since within the oath bound rites/area of the practice, it could be the total opposite and I'd have no way of knowing. As to men hiving off and creating their own coven, I don't see why they couldn't, but I don't actually know if they can or not. I was merely speaking solely of/for the women because I was talking about the Witch Queen. If men can by "Witch Kings", do they have an equivalent to the garter belt? o.O
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:39 am
It might have to do with the High Priestess being "the first among equals".
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:10 am
Dragoness Arleeana Renkon Root Dragoness Arleeana "Witch Queen": A Witch Queen is a high priestess that has had other covens hive off of her own. She will often wear a witches garder, with a buckle for each coven.
I've never heard of this one before. It sounds just a little to melodramatic and romanticized to be real IMO.
Also, is this implying that only women can have multiple covens hive off from them? Can there be no such thing as a "Witch King"? The 1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees are all gender neutral terms/titles, but this one is very gender specific. I find that odd considering that Wicca was created by a man in the first place.
What Esiris said. The only time I've ever seen/heard this mentioned is in the Witches Bible, by the Farrars, as well as in a documentary of Alex Saunders. From what I've seen of Wicca, the high priestess definitely has more power within the coven. However, since I'm not Wiccan, there's really no way for me to say that with certainty, since within the oath bound rites/area of the practice, it could be the total opposite and I'd have no way of knowing. As to men hiving off and creating their own coven, I don't see why they couldn't, but I don't actually know if they can or not. I was merely speaking solely of/for the women because I was talking about the Witch Queen. If men can by "Witch Kings", do they have an equivalent to the garter belt? o.O Just a garter, not a garter belt wink And I'm not sure, but Valiente cites a theory she probably got from Murray regarding the Knights of the Garter and Wicca. So HPs might wear garters too for all I know, garters being, according to her, a long-established witch thing.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:13 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Dragoness Arleeana Renkon Root Dragoness Arleeana "Witch Queen": A Witch Queen is a high priestess that has had other covens hive off of her own. She will often wear a witches garder, with a buckle for each coven.
I've never heard of this one before. It sounds just a little to melodramatic and romanticized to be real IMO.
Also, is this implying that only women can have multiple covens hive off from them? Can there be no such thing as a "Witch King"? The 1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees are all gender neutral terms/titles, but this one is very gender specific. I find that odd considering that Wicca was created by a man in the first place.
What Esiris said. The only time I've ever seen/heard this mentioned is in the Witches Bible, by the Farrars, as well as in a documentary of Alex Saunders. From what I've seen of Wicca, the high priestess definitely has more power within the coven. However, since I'm not Wiccan, there's really no way for me to say that with certainty, since within the oath bound rites/area of the practice, it could be the total opposite and I'd have no way of knowing. As to men hiving off and creating their own coven, I don't see why they couldn't, but I don't actually know if they can or not. I was merely speaking solely of/for the women because I was talking about the Witch Queen. If men can by "Witch Kings", do they have an equivalent to the garter belt? o.O Just a garter, not a garter belt wink And I'm not sure, but Valiente cites a theory she probably got from Murray regarding the Knights of the Garter and Wicca. So HPs might wear garters too for all I know, garters being, according to her, a long-established witch thing. lol, yes, a garter. I couldn't help but imaging a man in long wizard robes hiking up his robe to reveal his garter... Good way to put it Esiris.
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