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 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:43 pm
We do this basically every band class we'll play a major then it's minor.
But I don't get what is a major/ minor scales, and how are they different?
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:33 pm
well if we are talking about true minor scales that aren't Harmonic or Melodic there is nothing different with the key signature it just starts on the 6th degree of the scale there are 7 degree's
as an example I'll use the C Major scale which has no sharps and no flats
C D E F G (A) B C (Note names)
1 2 3 4 5 (6) 7 1 (Degree's)
The relative minor for the C Major scale is A Minor which also has no sharps and no flats
(A) B C D E F G (A) (Note names)
(6) 7 1 2 3 4 5 (6) (Degree's) notice the scale starts on the 6th degree
I'm fairly sure I am giving you the right in formation probably some wrong words but if this is not what you were talking about tell me
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:42 pm
NeoRaptor99 well if we are talking about true minor scales that aren't Harmonic or Melodic there is nothing different with the key signature it just starts on the 6th degree of the scale there are 7 degree's as an example I'll use the C Major scale which has no sharps and no flats C D E F G (A) B C (Note names) 1 2 3 4 5 (6) 7 1 (Degree's) The relative minor for the C Major scale is A Minor which also has no sharps and no flats (A) B C D E F G (A) (Note names) (6) 7 1 2 3 4 5 (6) (Degree's) notice the scale starts on the 6th degree I'm fairly sure I am giving you the right in formation probably some wrong words but if this is not what you were talking about tell me oh well thanks it sort of makes more sense now that someones explained it
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:37 pm
Hi there! It's awesome that your band director is teaching you about major/minor scales. Some schools just play Bb and go into the music. The fact that your teacher does this shows that s/he wants to give you more of an understanding of what's going on the music, and that's really cool.
As you probably are aware, every song is built on a scale. That's what key signatures are for - they tell you what scale the song is based on. Most scales are either major or minor. Major scales are used for happier songs, while minor scales are used for sadder songs.
There are actually three different types of minor scales, discluding the use of modes (which is more of a college level thing), and each is slightly different than the first.
It's easiest to explain this in terms of solfege, or assigning "do re mi" to different pitches in the scale. The numbers underneath indicate the scale degree associated with the pitches.
Major:
Do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, ti, do.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
When you add flats, you change the end of the letter to 'eh' if you were singing. Re, if flatted, becomes "ra".
Natural minor flats the third, sixth, and seventh scale degrees. So the solfege will look like this:
Natural minor:
Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, te, do
Harmonic minor adds flats only to the third and sixth scale degrees.
Harmonic minor:
Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, ti, do.
Then lastly, there's melodic minor. Melodic minor actually changes with the direction of the scale. So if you're going up, you play a Natural minor scale. If you're going down, you just flat the third.
Melodic minor, going up:
Do re me fa sol le te do
Melodic minor, going down:
Do ti la sol fa me re do.
Together:
Do re me fa sol le te do ti la sol fa me re do.
Hope this helps!
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:29 pm
horsefire370 Hi there! It's awesome that your band director is teaching you about major/minor scales. Some schools just play Bb and go into the music. The fact that your teacher does this shows that s/he wants to give you more of an understanding of what's going on the music, and that's really cool. As you probably are aware, every song is built on a scale. That's what key signatures are for - they tell you what scale the song is based on. Most scales are either major or minor. Major scales are used for happier songs, while minor scales are used for sadder songs. There are actually three different types of minor scales, discluding the use of modes (which is more of a college level thing), and each is slightly different than the first. It's easiest to explain this in terms of solfege, or assigning "do re mi" to different pitches in the scale. The numbers underneath indicate the scale degree associated with the pitches. Major: Do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, ti, do. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 When you add flats, you change the end of the letter to 'eh' if you were singing. Re, if flatted, becomes "ra". Natural minor flats the third, sixth, and seventh scale degrees. So the solfege will look like this: Natural minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, te, do Harmonic minor adds flats only to the third and sixth scale degrees. Harmonic minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, ti, do. Then lastly, there's melodic minor. Melodic minor actually changes with the direction of the scale. So if you're going up, you play a Natural minor scale. If you're going down, you just flat the third. Melodic minor, going up: Do re me fa sol le te do Melodic minor, going down: Do ti la sol fa me re do. Together: Do re me fa sol le te do ti la sol fa me re do. Hope this helps! To clear things up because we both explained things a little bit differently and I don't want her to get confused with what we are both saying your explaining for the scales same starting note right, for instance C major as opposed to c Minor Because I explained it using relative major and minors, for instance C Major as opposed to (a) minor, but I didn't do harmonic or melodic because I wasn't really sure what she wanted and I didn't want to make it too confusing Also, I promise that I'm not saying your wrong cause what you are saying is absolutely correct, I just don't want to confuse her because we were both explaining minor scales using different methods. oh and as a side note because I forgot to mention before. In music when you may see chords written out like on a lot of guitar music and piano music, Capital letters like A B C D E F G means Major chord, lower case like a b c d e f g means minor chord, just so you know
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:26 pm
NeoRaptor99 horsefire370 Hi there! It's awesome that your band director is teaching you about major/minor scales. Some schools just play Bb and go into the music. The fact that your teacher does this shows that s/he wants to give you more of an understanding of what's going on the music, and that's really cool. As you probably are aware, every song is built on a scale. That's what key signatures are for - they tell you what scale the song is based on. Most scales are either major or minor. Major scales are used for happier songs, while minor scales are used for sadder songs. There are actually three different types of minor scales, discluding the use of modes (which is more of a college level thing), and each is slightly different than the first. It's easiest to explain this in terms of solfege, or assigning "do re mi" to different pitches in the scale. The numbers underneath indicate the scale degree associated with the pitches. Major: Do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, ti, do. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 When you add flats, you change the end of the letter to 'eh' if you were singing. Re, if flatted, becomes "ra". Natural minor flats the third, sixth, and seventh scale degrees. So the solfege will look like this: Natural minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, te, do Harmonic minor adds flats only to the third and sixth scale degrees. Harmonic minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, ti, do. Then lastly, there's melodic minor. Melodic minor actually changes with the direction of the scale. So if you're going up, you play a Natural minor scale. If you're going down, you just flat the third. Melodic minor, going up: Do re me fa sol le te do Melodic minor, going down: Do ti la sol fa me re do. Together: Do re me fa sol le te do ti la sol fa me re do. Hope this helps! To clear things up because we both explained things a little bit differently and I don't want her to get confused with what we are both saying your explaining for the scales same starting note right, for instance C major as opposed to c Minor Because I explained it using relative major and minors, for instance C Major as opposed to (a) minor, but I didn't do harmonic or melodic because I wasn't really sure what she wanted and I didn't want to make it too confusing Also, I promise that I'm not saying your wrong cause what you are saying is absolutely correct, I just don't want to confuse her because we were both explaining minor scales using different methods. oh and as a side note because I forgot to mention before. In music when you may see chords written out like on a lot of guitar music and piano music, Capital letters like A B C D E F G means Major chord, lower case like a b c d e f g means minor chord, just so you know Yeah, that's right. I should have mentioned that. For the OP's benefit: I explained a way you could find the minor key by looking at the major. So, say you're looking for c minor. If you start in C major, you can find the minor key signature by adding however many flats you need for the scale you're using. NeoRaptor99 used a technique that finds the minor key through its relative major. For every major key, there is a minor with the same key siganture. You find the relative key by looking at the sixth scale degree in the major. So then Bb major's relative minor is g minor.
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:12 pm
horsefire370 NeoRaptor99 horsefire370 Hi there! It's awesome that your band director is teaching you about major/minor scales. Some schools just play Bb and go into the music. The fact that your teacher does this shows that s/he wants to give you more of an understanding of what's going on the music, and that's really cool. As you probably are aware, every song is built on a scale. That's what key signatures are for - they tell you what scale the song is based on. Most scales are either major or minor. Major scales are used for happier songs, while minor scales are used for sadder songs. There are actually three different types of minor scales, discluding the use of modes (which is more of a college level thing), and each is slightly different than the first. It's easiest to explain this in terms of solfege, or assigning "do re mi" to different pitches in the scale. The numbers underneath indicate the scale degree associated with the pitches. Major: Do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, ti, do. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 When you add flats, you change the end of the letter to 'eh' if you were singing. Re, if flatted, becomes "ra". Natural minor flats the third, sixth, and seventh scale degrees. So the solfege will look like this: Natural minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, te, do Harmonic minor adds flats only to the third and sixth scale degrees. Harmonic minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, ti, do. Then lastly, there's melodic minor. Melodic minor actually changes with the direction of the scale. So if you're going up, you play a Natural minor scale. If you're going down, you just flat the third. Melodic minor, going up: Do re me fa sol le te do Melodic minor, going down: Do ti la sol fa me re do. Together: Do re me fa sol le te do ti la sol fa me re do. Hope this helps! To clear things up because we both explained things a little bit differently and I don't want her to get confused with what we are both saying your explaining for the scales same starting note right, for instance C major as opposed to c Minor Because I explained it using relative major and minors, for instance C Major as opposed to (a) minor, but I didn't do harmonic or melodic because I wasn't really sure what she wanted and I didn't want to make it too confusing Also, I promise that I'm not saying your wrong cause what you are saying is absolutely correct, I just don't want to confuse her because we were both explaining minor scales using different methods. oh and as a side note because I forgot to mention before. In music when you may see chords written out like on a lot of guitar music and piano music, Capital letters like A B C D E F G means Major chord, lower case like a b c d e f g means minor chord, just so you know Yeah, that's right. I should have mentioned that. For the OP's benefit: I explained a way you could find the minor key by looking at the major. So, say you're looking for c minor. If you start in C major, you can find the minor key signature by adding however many flats you need for the scale you're using. NeoRaptor99 used a technique that finds the minor key through its relative major. For every major key, there is a minor with the same key siganture. You find the relative key by looking at the sixth scale degree in the major. So then Bb major's relative minor is g minor. wow thanks now reading between both of your comments i actually inderstand it alot better than what i did in the beginning!
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:14 pm
NeoRaptor99 horsefire370 Hi there! It's awesome that your band director is teaching you about major/minor scales. Some schools just play Bb and go into the music. The fact that your teacher does this shows that s/he wants to give you more of an understanding of what's going on the music, and that's really cool. As you probably are aware, every song is built on a scale. That's what key signatures are for - they tell you what scale the song is based on. Most scales are either major or minor. Major scales are used for happier songs, while minor scales are used for sadder songs. There are actually three different types of minor scales, discluding the use of modes (which is more of a college level thing), and each is slightly different than the first. It's easiest to explain this in terms of solfege, or assigning "do re mi" to different pitches in the scale. The numbers underneath indicate the scale degree associated with the pitches. Major: Do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, ti, do. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 When you add flats, you change the end of the letter to 'eh' if you were singing. Re, if flatted, becomes "ra". Natural minor flats the third, sixth, and seventh scale degrees. So the solfege will look like this: Natural minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, te, do Harmonic minor adds flats only to the third and sixth scale degrees. Harmonic minor: Do, re, me, fa, sol, le, ti, do. Then lastly, there's melodic minor. Melodic minor actually changes with the direction of the scale. So if you're going up, you play a Natural minor scale. If you're going down, you just flat the third. Melodic minor, going up: Do re me fa sol le te do Melodic minor, going down: Do ti la sol fa me re do. Together: Do re me fa sol le te do ti la sol fa me re do. Hope this helps! To clear things up because we both explained things a little bit differently and I don't want her to get confused with what we are both saying your explaining for the scales same starting note right, for instance C major as opposed to c Minor Because I explained it using relative major and minors, for instance C Major as opposed to (a) minor, but I didn't do harmonic or melodic because I wasn't really sure what she wanted and I didn't want to make it too confusing Also, I promise that I'm not saying your wrong cause what you are saying is absolutely correct, I just don't want to confuse her because we were both explaining minor scales using different methods. oh and as a side note because I forgot to mention before. In music when you may see chords written out like on a lot of guitar music and piano music, Capital letters like A B C D E F G means Major chord, lower case like a b c d e f g means minor chord, just so you know wow thanks now reading between both of your comments i actually inderstand it alot better than what i did in the beginning!
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:11 pm
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