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Contralto in a Corset Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:32 pm
Okay, so, to start out with, I'm old. Not a geezer or anything(that's DMJ, over there --> wink , but old enough that the whole "Intelligent Design" stuff didn't start getting pushed into schools until after I was already through with the general Science studies. All I ever heard of for the creation theories was in Literature, and that covered several myths in addition to Abrahamic Theology.
So, my question is, did anyone here get the classes regarding Intelligent Design, or have intelligent design taught as a possible origin of life on earth? I'm asking because, well, when you think about it, enough to actually get to the question of "And how did these beings create life on Earth?", doesn't it circle around back to just the other sources of life? Or do they just skip over that?
All hail Occams Razor and it removing superfluous emo's. Or superfluous other stuff, whatev's.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:09 pm
No but I remember my 10th grade biology teach complaining about being required by the state to teach evolution because it was against her religion. I remember that I had some classmates wishing that our 10th grade biology class did teach intelligent design. The ironic part was that this was all in 10th grade gifted biology XD.
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Contralto in a Corset Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:19 pm
What I don't get is how this didn't get pushed through until after I was already in the part of school where I picked my own classes(meaning strictly astronomy and physics for my science credits), so I never got any of this. I did have to deal with all of the Abstinence BS, though(And in Utah, it's all Abstinence - not even an option of legitimate education).
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:36 am
In third Grade, in my Public school, I brought up Evolution in class, and the teacher essentially called me out and said "There's no such thing." She went on to talk about how stupid the idea of people evolving from Apes is. It was a public school where she didn't teach intelligent design, but flat out biblical creationism. Keep in mind, I'm not from the Bible belt. I'm from Chicago. True or not, the Theory of Evolution needs to be taught. While I'll give somebody who does not believe human beings and apes have a close, common ancestor the benefit of the doubt, there are certain things that are not "theoretical" but proven fact. That universe is millions, or rather, billions of years old. There WAS a Big Bang. And Evolution is real, at least in some form. Because, let's face it, we've seen it, and observed it, time and time again. http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/images/1218doonesbury_lg.gif
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:03 am
i only learned about evolution in school. my sex ed class told me i would go to hell but my science classes only told me about evolution. no mention of god.
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:37 am
Matt Pniewski It was a public school where she didn't teach intelligent design, but flat out biblical creationism. Keep in mind, I'm not from the Bible belt. I have noticed that the north can be just as or more close minded than the south. The north has a huge militia man numbers and KKK. And, at least compared to Virginia Beach and Jacksonville, FL..the education system just doesn't compare.
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:27 pm
Shanna66 i only learned about evolution in school. my sex ed class told me i would go to hell but my science classes only told me about evolution. no mention of god. In sex ed, or in science, you don't talk about God. Why should you? You learn about God in Church.
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:36 pm
Matt Pniewski Shanna66 i only learned about evolution in school. my sex ed class told me i would go to hell but my science classes only told me about evolution. no mention of god. In sex ed, or in science, you don't talk about God. Why should you? You learn about God in Church. thats how i feel
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:37 pm
I think it would be very thought provoking to teach both. Then it feels like more of a choice. You can be for one or against the other in an educational environment where it's acceptable. The only experience I have to contribute is from a class I took where us, the classmates, took it so well upon ourselves to debate the two, that the teacher decided we'd make an official debate about it. It was a good thing too, because she split us up on either side of the room. Those of us that were pro-evolution got on one side, those that were pro creation got on the other. Then she pointed to us pro-evolutioners and said, "alright, this group is going to be graded on how well they form their debate pro creation." Then she pointed to the pro-creation group and said, "and this group will be graded on how well they form their debate pro evolution." Just to be sure we asked if she remember which side of the class we were standing on. She was pretty sure she'd got it right.
Thing is, I was about as an anti-God atheist as I could be back then. But throughout the course of that study (because we wanted to get a better grade than the other group) we got really deep into conceiving how both God and creation could have made it all happen. It really got me thinking. Sure some members our group just thought it was plain stupid and rolled with it, but it got me thinking about things I might not have ever thought about. And it had me consider, even if it was the least tiny bit, that God just might exist, and there was that consideration that he might have done it all too. It was also good for the pro-creation group because they got a better understanding of how evolution works.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:59 am
Well, before I went to Christian school.... sweatdrop
I had an excellent Science teacher who kept education and church separate pretty decently. My class had to call her out on what she believed before she went into how she felt God could create everything, and the facts that Science proved could still be 'the Facts'. LOL
It took awhile to wear her down to the point of telling us what she believed, as she said she was a state employee, and she believed in separation of church and state. She was awesome.
Anyway, it all culminated into her having us write an essay on our own time about what we did or didn't believe, and it couldn't be part of our grade. She would only share what she believed if everyone wrote the essay, and everyone was willing to read it out loud. Everyone in our class had our essays done the next day. LOL
It turned into a week long event into which we had debates, much like Venus' class, only we each had a turn to be pro-God and anti-God, and we watched videos of debates from some of the more prominent Scientists from either side of the debate. Then we had to write another essay at the end of it all describing how our views might have changed, and how we might have opened our minds a little towards the other side.
We got extra credit that pretty much bumped everyone to an A that quarter. LOL
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:08 am
Eltanin Sadachbia Well, before I went to Christian school.... sweatdrop I had an excellent Science teacher who kept education and church separate pretty decently. My class had to call her out on what she believed before she went into how she felt God could create everything, and the facts that Science proved could still be 'the Facts'. LOL It took awhile to wear her down to the point of telling us what she believed, as she said she was a state employee, and she believed in separation of church and state. She was awesome. Anyway, it all culminated into her having us write an essay on our own time about what we did or didn't believe, and it couldn't be part of our grade. She would only share what she believed if everyone wrote the essay, and everyone was willing to read it out loud. Everyone in our class had our essays done the next day. LOL It turned into a week long event into which we had debates, much like Venus' class, only we each had a turn to be pro-God and anti-God, and we watched videos of debates from some of the more prominent Scientists from either side of the debate. Then we had to write another essay at the end of it all describing how our views might have changed, and how we might have opened our minds a little towards the other side. We got extra credit that pretty much bumped everyone to an A that quarter. LOL I love teachers that go beyond the curriculum like that xd
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:10 am
Splendid Sailor Venus I think it would be very thought provoking to teach both. Then it feels like more of a choice. You can be for one or against the other in an educational environment where it's acceptable. That's what my school did (graduated not long ago biggrin )
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:28 am
My only problem with intelligent design is that it is often equated to be a science when it's not. I see it as a cultural way of understanding evolution from a theistic view point. Most people when asked what is involved in intelligent design will state facts about evolution instead. I'll have to refind the link but there was an article I remember reading of a PTA meeting to defend intelligent design where when the members were asked what intelligent design was they gave an accurate description of what was taught in evolution
Personally I have no problem with believing in the randomness of evolution because 1) if there is a "perfect creator" that it would appear random, chaotic, and nonsensical to us. 2)the creation mythos I accepts posits that there is a Craftsman (demiurge) who makes the universe under certain constraints but has an imperfect knowledge of thing so must craft by trail and error, kinda like middle management who knows the general game plan and what's expected but is prone to make mistakes, break things along the way, and can be overbearingly egotistical at times because he forgets his place. (do note I do not accept Creation myths as literal).
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