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 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:15 am
So, I've been posting a lot lately, but then again, I've been getting in to some interesting conversations where my jaw just drops and I want to bang my head on the table...
Regarding this conversation, someone said there are a million books that claim Wicca involves incest. We all know this isn't true, so I reply, thanks the freedom of speech and press, authors can write whatever they want to write and if it sounds good, it will publish. The person responds with "I don't think book authors are protected by Freedom of press".
If I am correct, everyone in the U.S. is protected by the first Ammendment. Correct? Everyone that writes something is protected, whether that something is a blog or a status on FB or a newpaper article. Correct? Unless it is libel or slander.
And I'll leave it at that...
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:36 pm
While I may feel personally that people writing non-fiction books/articles should stick to fact, there is absolutely nothing to make them do so, precisely because they have freedom of speech.
$10 says those books that person was referring to as making that claim were written by religious extremists, if they exist at all.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:43 pm
I was tempted to ask who they were by. Apparantly local book stores have some type of petition on the books or something. I didn't ask because that comment...
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:00 pm
first Ammendment doesnt matter becuz people wouldnt be gettin arrested now in the usa for the freedom of speech kk.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:59 pm
Who got arrested for what? I just read many cases for my college and almost all of them involved freedom of speech, no one got arrested even when one posted homocidal information.
And how come the infamous Westboro church hasn't been arrested? Considering there are masses of people who have been offended.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:19 pm
Aakosir I was tempted to ask who they were by. Apparantly local book stores have some type of petition on the books or something. I didn't ask because that comment... Unless I'm confusing this situation with another one, the book in question is "The Good Witch's Bible" or similar, by Gavin and Yvonne Frost. There was and still is a big drama regarding a section in which rituals are described for initiating one's adolescent offspring sexually. And I think the confusion comes from the use of the word "press" to refer mainly to newspapers. In the case of "freedom of the press" it appears to refer to anything printed, but said freedom doesn't protect libel nor particular top secret documents, apparently, but whatsisface and the New York Times still got away with publishing stuff on the Pentagon Papers. The US is number 20 on the Reporters Without Borders "Worldwide Press Freedom Index". Eritrea is at the bottom and the Scandinavian countries are at the top, no surprises there, they win everything.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:26 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Aakosir I was tempted to ask who they were by. Apparantly local book stores have some type of petition on the books or something. I didn't ask because that comment... Unless I'm confusing this situation with another one, the book in question is "The Good Witch's Bible" or similar, by Gavin and Yvonne Frost. There was and still is a big drama regarding a section in which rituals are described for initiating one's adolescent offspring sexually. And I think the confusion comes from the use of the word "press" to refer mainly to newspapers. In the case of "freedom of the press" it appears to refer to anything printed, but said freedom doesn't protect libel nor particular top secret documents, apparently, but whatsisface and the New York Times still got away with publishing stuff on the Pentagon Papers. The US is number 20 on the Reporters Without Borders "Worldwide Press Freedom Index". Eritrea is at the bottom and the Scandinavian countries are at the top, no surprises there, they win everything.
I didn't hear about that incident, but I know the U.S. is really trying to crack down on people who visit wikileaks. Since it is not a U.S. site there isn't much the U.S. can do about it, but we all know they will try... It's just so funny how the U.S. can't focus on anything inside the country, but instead spends all their time worrying about what other countries are doing...
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:00 pm
Aakosir I was reading up on the wording a bit today and it seems that there are many interpretations of "speech". Some say it is written along with spoken. And like you said, "press" could be newspapers, but I think it also applies to everything printed or published or even posted considering there aren't any lawsuits over books. At least not that I have heard of.
I didn't hear about that incident, but I know the U.S. is really trying to crack down on people who visit wikileaks. Since it is not a U.S. site there isn't much the U.S. can do about it, but we all know they will try... It's just so funny how the U.S. can't focus on anything inside the country, but instead spends all their time worrying about what other countries are doing... There are lawsuits over books, but typically libel ones. You see them more often brought in the UK because they have different libel laws; you have to prove what you've said in your book is true, rather than the person bringing the suit having to prove it is false. (I think, anyway.) The Pentagon Papers were a massive issue in the early 1970s, regarding freedom of the press, the Vietnam war, and several presidents being lying scheming oath-breaking bastards. See the movie - it has James Spader. I think it's a must-see for all Americans as an example of patriotism.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:09 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Aakosir I was reading up on the wording a bit today and it seems that there are many interpretations of "speech". Some say it is written along with spoken. And like you said, "press" could be newspapers, but I think it also applies to everything printed or published or even posted considering there aren't any lawsuits over books. At least not that I have heard of.
I didn't hear about that incident, but I know the U.S. is really trying to crack down on people who visit wikileaks. Since it is not a U.S. site there isn't much the U.S. can do about it, but we all know they will try... It's just so funny how the U.S. can't focus on anything inside the country, but instead spends all their time worrying about what other countries are doing... There are lawsuits over books, but typically libel ones. You see them more often brought in the UK because they have different libel laws; you have to prove what you've said in your book is true, rather than the person bringing the suit having to prove it is false. (I think, anyway.) The Pentagon Papers were a massive issue in the early 1970s, regarding freedom of the press, the Vietnam war, and several presidents being lying scheming oath-breaking bastards. See the movie - it has James Spader. I think it's a must-see for all Americans as an example of patriotism.
Oh! I thought you meant recently with the newspapers. You're talking about Reagan and Watergate and all. Yea... That was a mess, but the idiots shouldn't have been screwing us over to begin with... And Reagan still wasn't impeached. He resigned... Was forced to, but still
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:46 pm
It's iffy with freedom of press. For instance, if it's something like libel or defamatory in nature in the US the publishers and writers can get sued. This is one of the leading causes of publisher's going under. It's also why it's important for writers to get signed release forms from any individual whom they discuss in a written work.
There's also the sticky issue of The Patriot Act. If you print something as a newspaper article, for example, the government can and will force you to give sources if asked. I don't think it's been expanded beyond journalism as a whole, but I'm sure it will be and SCOTUS will support it.
In short, yes, you can publish whatever...as long as you are willing to put up with the liability. On the same token if these things were so common Llewellyn would not be in existence today.
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:49 pm
Aakosir Sanguina Cruenta Aakosir I was reading up on the wording a bit today and it seems that there are many interpretations of "speech". Some say it is written along with spoken. And like you said, "press" could be newspapers, but I think it also applies to everything printed or published or even posted considering there aren't any lawsuits over books. At least not that I have heard of.
I didn't hear about that incident, but I know the U.S. is really trying to crack down on people who visit wikileaks. Since it is not a U.S. site there isn't much the U.S. can do about it, but we all know they will try... It's just so funny how the U.S. can't focus on anything inside the country, but instead spends all their time worrying about what other countries are doing... There are lawsuits over books, but typically libel ones. You see them more often brought in the UK because they have different libel laws; you have to prove what you've said in your book is true, rather than the person bringing the suit having to prove it is false. (I think, anyway.) The Pentagon Papers were a massive issue in the early 1970s, regarding freedom of the press, the Vietnam war, and several presidents being lying scheming oath-breaking bastards. See the movie - it has James Spader. I think it's a must-see for all Americans as an example of patriotism.
Oh! I thought you meant recently with the newspapers. You're talking about Reagan and Watergate and all. Yea... That was a mess, but the idiots shouldn't have been screwing us over to begin with... And Reagan still wasn't impeached. He resigned... Was forced to, but stillReagan served two terms in the '80s. I believe you're thinking of Nixon.
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:26 pm
As a bookworm, I am convinced people can write ANYTHING in a book as long as they have the means to get it published.
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:42 am
4shi Aakosir Sanguina Cruenta Aakosir I was reading up on the wording a bit today and it seems that there are many interpretations of "speech". Some say it is written along with spoken. And like you said, "press" could be newspapers, but I think it also applies to everything printed or published or even posted considering there aren't any lawsuits over books. At least not that I have heard of.
I didn't hear about that incident, but I know the U.S. is really trying to crack down on people who visit wikileaks. Since it is not a U.S. site there isn't much the U.S. can do about it, but we all know they will try... It's just so funny how the U.S. can't focus on anything inside the country, but instead spends all their time worrying about what other countries are doing... There are lawsuits over books, but typically libel ones. You see them more often brought in the UK because they have different libel laws; you have to prove what you've said in your book is true, rather than the person bringing the suit having to prove it is false. (I think, anyway.) The Pentagon Papers were a massive issue in the early 1970s, regarding freedom of the press, the Vietnam war, and several presidents being lying scheming oath-breaking bastards. See the movie - it has James Spader. I think it's a must-see for all Americans as an example of patriotism.
Oh! I thought you meant recently with the newspapers. You're talking about Reagan and Watergate and all. Yea... That was a mess, but the idiots shouldn't have been screwing us over to begin with... And Reagan still wasn't impeached. He resigned... Was forced to, but stillReagan served two terms in the '80s. I believe you're thinking of Nixon.
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:49 am
4shi On the same token if these things were so common Llewellyn would not be in existence today.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:22 am
Quote: Because the US founding Fathers made a distinction between Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press. I think they make a distinction between periodicals- no matter what form they take, and books.
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