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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:23 am
My friend is a BIG eater. She eats anything she is offered to, plus she's super skinny.. and.. well perfect.
Last week, she hasn't been eating a lot. She is acting different too. Is it because she's depressed?
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:27 am
that could be the case. i also stop eating with i'm really depressed. but i think the smartest thing is to ask your friend whats wrong that way you can try to cheer her up.
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Colorful Shadows Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:46 am
I actually eat less when I am depressed as well. Like for now. I cant find myself to eat my lunch no matter how much I want to because I am thinking about someone.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:50 am
While it is true that depression changes your eating habits (though, depression isn't simply feeling down. It's a constant state of being in a depressed emotional state for upwards of 3+ months. And it's a constant day to day thing. Only a trained individual can diagnose depression, and if you haven't been diagnosed or don't meet those standards, don't call yourself depressed), it doesn't mean that depression should be the first thing your mind jumps to because she is eating less. However, if you are concerned, talk to your friend. Find out what is going on.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:38 am
I agree with what others have said. I'm not certain exactly how she has changed, as you said, but, if you have noticed several changes in her, it is best to see if you can find out what is wrong and help her or help her get help. If she isn't depressed, there could be something else wrong that would also need attention.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:19 pm
ladycobalt I agree with what others have said. I'm not certain exactly how she has changed, as you said, but, if you have noticed several changes in her, it is best to see if you can find out what is wrong and help her or help her get help. If she isn't depressed, there could be something else wrong that would also need attention. I like that last sentence. You shouldn't assume depression, because it could be something more serious, or equally serious.
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Colorful Shadows Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:20 pm
Different as in how? I've personally had some terrible run in with depression in the past. So, I can profess to know something about the topic.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:31 am
LanceCalvis Different as in how? I've personally had some terrible run in with depression in the past. So, I can profess to know something about the topic. Just a note, but everyone does not experience depression in the same way. While you may have behaved and felt one way, her friend could behave another and still be depressed. My information comes from my degree being in psychology. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:46 am
I'm not exactly a fan of your profession and I have solid reasons for my assessment. I actually spent some time in a mental hospital for a time. I was skipping school. The judge gave me a choice between that place and jail.
What I saw was far from my ideal vision of the place. I pictured seasoned encyclopedias of knowledge. What I saw was a system that is set up to be efficient instead of effective. College students that had study in theory were the doctors. Those types of places like to push the lie that they are underfunded. But, it doesn't take money to help someone if you know how. A comfortable environment was set up in that institution. Though, I've heard that other facilities are far less inviting. Some of the doctors actually suffer from Phobias of there own patients. Which makes them completely useless at the profession. These type of people actually inflict mental harm on there patients. The facility is set up with no real accountability for the doctors. Leading to a situation similar to the school systems. Where many teachers just do the bare min and aren't effective at there job.
Finding the rout of the problem is only one step in actual recovery. The only possible way someone can actually be cured in a place like that. Is though self realization. Often times, you can't give someone what they need. If you don't take there words at face value and give them what they need. In many cases, those facilities just can't provide that.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:41 am
LanceCalvis I'm not exactly a fan of your profession and I have solid reasons for my assessment. I actually spent some time in a mental hospital for a time. I was skipping school. The judge gave me a choice between that place and jail. What I saw was far from my ideal vision of the place. I pictured seasoned encyclopedias of knowledge. What I saw was a system that is set up to be efficient instead of effective. College students that had study in theory were the doctors. Those types of places like to push the lie that they are underfunded. But, it doesn't take money to help someone if you know how. A comfortable environment was set up in that institution. Though, I've heard that other facilities are far less inviting. Some of the doctors actually suffer from Phobias of there own patients. Which makes them completely useless at the profession. These type of people actually inflict mental harm on there patients. The facility is set up with no real accountability for the doctors. Leading to a situation similar to the school systems. Where many teachers just do the bare min and aren't effective at there job. Finding the rout of the problem is only one step in actual recovery. The only possible way someone can actually be cured in a place like that. Is though self realization. Often times, you can't give someone what they need. If you don't take there words at face value and give them what they need. In many cases, those facilities just can't provide that. While I understand your concerns, you realize that of course, not all mental hospitals are the same. I'm also confused as to why the judge told you to go to either jail or a mental hospital due to skipping school. If you didn't need to be there, you would have been a drain on their limited money. No offense to you, but you would have been taking up a slot that someone who actually needed it could have had. And no, they aren't run by college students with degrees in theories. Mental institutions are run with Psychiatrist who have MD degrees, otherwise known as medical degrees. And I hate to break it to you, but it DOES cost money to help those even if you know how. You have to pay for the staff and the medicines that they need. Those things are not cheap by any means which is why mental institutions are often understaffed in the department of psychologist and psychiatrist. Also, where are you getting information that states that most doctors have phobias of their patients because that sounds made up to me. As someone actually in the field, I have never heard of such a statistic. Until you have some information to back that up, I'll have to say that you are simply making it up, which makes your subsequent statements after it also made up. Also, it should be noted that you cannot "cure" mental diseases. If that were the case, we wouldn't have a need for mental institutions. What we can do is help with therapy and medication when necessary to help an individual over come the maladaptive symptoms, those which hinder them from interacting with society. And yes, self-realization is necessary in most instances. For example if a schizophrenic who hears voices in their head comes into an institution, the psychiatrist will attempt to get the schizophrenic to understand that the voices are not real but rather in their heads.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:59 am
The phobias I'm speaking of are based on cases. That I've actually heard of. My brother was in a facility for a time. Certain so called professionals in that institution. Were either rude or aggressive toward the patients in that facility. Those working in the profession. Have absolute authority over there patients. A lack of patience causes these people to behave like control freaks. To keep everything in order. This force is often unnecessary leading to further mental injury in the patients.
I felt similarly about my stay there as you have described. I was just wasting a slot that could have been used for someone else. I thought the money my parents spent for the bill for that place. Was just plain wasted money. I received absolutely no help at all and if anything. I was slightly worse off than when I went in. I had some problems prior to going into that place. Though, I was there because of Truancy.
By curing I mean the removal of the problem inflicting the person.
Most of those working at the facility that I was in. Were of a fairly young age. Leading me to believe that they were fresh out of college. As I said before. This wasn't just some average facility. It was said to be one of the best in the area. I realize there are experienced professionals at some of these facilities. These are usually working for the higher cost facilities.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:30 am
LanceCalvis The phobias I'm speaking of are based on cases. That I've actually heard of. My brother was in a facility for a time. Certain so called professionals in that institution. Were either rude or aggressive toward the patients in that facility. Those working in the profession. Have absolute authority over there patients. A lack of patience causes these people to behave like control freaks. To keep everything in order. This force is often unnecessary leading to further mental injury in the patients. I felt similarly about my stay there as you have described. I was just wasting a slot that could have been used for someone else. I thought the money my parents spent for the bill for that place. Was just plain wasted money. I received absolutely no help at all and if anything. I was slightly worse off than when I went in. I had some problems prior to going into that place. Though, I was there because of Truancy. By curing I mean the removal of the problem inflicting the person. Most of those working at the facility that I was in. Were of a fairly young age. Leading me to believe that they were fresh out of college. As I said before. This wasn't just some average facility. It was said to be one of the best in the area. I realize there are experienced professionals at some of these facilities. These are usually working for the higher cost facilities. Ok, I'm starting to think that you do not understand what the word phobia means. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. What you are describing is not a phobia. I'm going to have to ask why your brother was hospitalized before I can trust his word. Many patients will say that they feel that people are rude or aggressive though they aren't actually. It's not rude or aggressive to ensure the safety of other patients from those who are aggressive and trying to injure others. Yes, there are instances in which people are rude to patients, but you will find that in any job. People have bad days. It happens. However, it's not going to be an across the board issue as you are trying to make it out to be. You cannot generalize to the field as a whole based off of two experiences. So wait, you feel like you received no help for a problem you didn't have? What did you expect exactly? They knew what you were in for and they can't do anything about truancy. It's not a psychological disorder. Again, you don't remove the problem. Please do a bit of research into psychiatric disorders and then you'll understand more about what really happens. Medication helps repress the negative aspects but they never fully go away. That's not the fault of mental institutions but rather the fault of technology. We have not yet found ways to cure people short of lobotomies, but those are generally unwanted as it's removal of aspects of the brain. You do realize that the staff you are talking about, the ones who would be fresh out of collage are not the psychologist/psychiatrist right? The individuals that you are describing would be the ones to escort patients to rooms, who would deliver medicines, and do other basic tasks. Therefore, they do the grunt work, not the actual running of the facility. Experienced professionals are at every facility, no matter the cost.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:12 am
Quote: So wait, you feel like you received no help for a problem you didn't have? What did you expect exactly? They knew what you were in for and they can't do anything about truancy. It's not a psychological disorder. I stated that I had a disorder prior to going in there. But, I was sent there due to truancy. In my lifetime, I've also had two counselors. One of those two were completely worthless at there job. The other became sort of a friend of mine. Though, they couldn't actually help me. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the counselors. Behaved very professionally. Keeping an emotional distance between the patient and themselves. They also asserted themselves. As the one that was in charge. The other one was very kind. During the visits to there office. We would often just play cards or something. Sometimes I didn't feel like talking about what was bothering me. Or didn't have anything on my mind. So, they didn't push the issue. This is the difference between someone that acts Professional and one that is effective at there job. The professional behavior is due to a preconceived notion that it is safer to do so. At least, this is what I would guess. Based on the mental notes I've taken. I don't see any other reason for this act. I doubt everyone feels like this. But, the doctors aren't entitled to abuse there power. By abuse, I mean use to make there job a bit easier. The use of restraints, punishment and chemicals. Unless a situation arises that calls for it. Having a bad day is no excuse. The very act of abusing your power. Can lead to further mental injury in the patient. In a patient like me. It also leads to a lack of trust in the person. This is the difference between what they can do and what they should do. Trust is a major factor in that field. It's a component that needs to be maintained. If your patient doesn't trust you. Then, getting through to them will be difficult.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:48 am
LanceCalvis Quote: So wait, you feel like you received no help for a problem you didn't have? What did you expect exactly? They knew what you were in for and they can't do anything about truancy. It's not a psychological disorder. I stated that I had a disorder prior to going in there. But, I was sent there due to truancy. In my lifetime, I've also had two counselors. One of those two were completely worthless at there job. The other became sort of a friend of mine. Though, they couldn't actually help me. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the counselors. Behaved very professionally. Keeping an emotional distance between the patient and themselves. They also asserted themselves. As the one that was in charge. The other one was very kind. During the visits to there office. We would often just play cards or something. Sometimes I didn't feel like talking about what was bothering me. Or didn't have anything on my mind. So, they didn't push the issue. This is the difference between someone that acts Professional and one that is effective at there job. The professional behavior is due to a preconceived notion that it is safer to do so. At least, this is what I would guess. Based on the mental notes I've taken. I don't see any other reason for this act. I doubt everyone feels like this. But, the doctors aren't entitled to abuse there power. By abuse, I mean use to make there job a bit easier. The use of restraints, punishment and chemicals. Unless a situation arises that calls for it. Having a bad day is no excuse. The very act of abusing your power. Can lead to further mental injury in the patient. In a patient like me. It also leads to a lack of trust in the person. This is the difference between what they can do and what they should do. Trust is a major factor in that field. It's a component that needs to be maintained. If your patient doesn't trust you. Then, getting through to them will be difficult. All you said was you have some problems. Problems can be a variety of things and not necessarily psychological. I apologize that I didn't get that info from what you said. May I ask how long you were in the institution? Because if you were in there for just a matter of weeks or even less than 6 months, it's not likely that they could have helped you that quickly. Therapy is not a quick fix. These days everyone expects a quick fix and no one seems to understand that things still take time. XD It's not a preconceived notion. It IS safer to act professional. The therapist is less likely to have transference occur (the patient transferring their emotions onto the therapist) which can be very dangerous. Not to mention that they understand that some patients are dangerous and cannot be afforded the luxury of letting one's guard down. Whoa, now, I wasn't saying they use those things because of a bad day. ALL of those methods are only used in extreme cases. Generally they are only used in instances of self injury, injury of others, and any other time when they may feel that others are dangerous. More than likely, it was necessary when it happened to you. Of course, the patients rarely feel like it was deserved. I mean, who wants to ever be restrained or forced medication, even when they need it? I'm well aware that trust is a major part of the field. It is my field. lol However, trust is not more important than safety.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:54 am
I should note that I've had some sort of ailment for most of my lifetime. I've 27 now. In some ways, I've gotten progressively worse. Yet, I'm more aware and passive.
I understand the whole they don't think they deserved it argument. I've looked at the cases objectively. Determining that in many cases. Whatever was done was uncalled for.
I should also note that I'm not exactly just talking about the medical field here but with just about all positions of authority. The common factor in hasty and unnecessary punishments. Is the marking of a particular individual as a trouble maker. Or any other label that would deem that disruptive.
The problem with this is. More than half the time. This person is only deemed disruptive. Because this label is already placed on them. The use of force on such a person. Whether they be a student or patient. Can very easily cause the person to actually become disruptive. Especially in the case of aggressive individuals like myself. This leads to a snow ball effective in some cases. Where the hyperactive judgment of the one in charge. Actually causes a snow ball effect. Which in turn leads to a legit reason to use some sort of punishment. The ignorance of the situation. Is that the one in charge. Never takes any accountability for there own actions. Yet, accountability is expected of the individual. This is what I refer to as a "fake authority figure".
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