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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:07 pm




This is something that's always confused me about self-initiated and "solitary Wicca".

The names of the God and Goddess are held as sacred and kept secret until a person is initiated. Its only after that when they learn the gods' names. How can you dedicate yourself to a pair of deities when you don't even know who they are? Yes, they can "call" to you, but a divine calling can only reveal so much. At some point you'd need guidance from someone else.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:29 pm


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This is something that's always confused me about self-initiated and "solitary Wicca".

The names of the God and Goddess are held as sacred and kept secret until a person is initiated. Its only after that when they learn the gods' names. How can you dedicate yourself to a pair of deities when you don't even know who they are? Yes, they can "call" to you, but a divine calling can only reveal so much. At some point you'd need guidance from someone else.


The general idea is that of soft polytheism, that essentially, all gods and goddesses are really just different cultures' way of interpreting these two deities. This idea is encouraged not just by authors like Cunningham (who's a big fan of this interpretation) but mentioned in a few books about Wicca. Gardner himself seems to have held the view that some gods were different interpretations of his own gods, but certainly not all or even most. Diana, Pan and Cernunnos tend to feature largely, as the former is a deity of some importance in "Aradia" (from which Gardner was very obviously inspired) and the latter two are gods with horns that reflect elements of his own god.

So essentially, the names used in Wicca are considered just a couple of options among many, and that the lord and lady have a massive number of names that can be used - or that one might prefer to use no names at all, and just stick with honorifics. "The Goddess" tends to be used the most often. Sometimes these two over-arching gods are worshipped, while other times gods are taken from different pantheons and "plugged in" to these two roles without this considered to be a bad thing, as they are considered facets or aspects of the two deities. In other words, a Celtic coven and a Greek coven would be considered to be worshipping the same deities, just with a preference for different particulars as far as names and trappings went.

This is also why you get people saying stuff like "but if you're true to the Goddess, she doesn't care if you're in a coven" because essentially the goddess of Wicca and the goddess of whatever else and the goddess this person is worshipping are all considered to be the same entity.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:46 pm


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, while other times gods are taken from different pantheons and "plugged in" to these two roles

This is the one I have seen happen most often.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:51 am


They're obviously not real Wiccans if they claim to have been self initiated. And since the names are revealed after that, then how would they truely know who they are actually praying to? They could claim to know the God and Goddess, but if they haven't been initiated they would most likely be praying to some other god and goddess that they think are the Wiccan ones.

And like Sanguina said, they use different names and claim they are the Wiccan gods'.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:53 am


I've heard of some people plugging in Jesus and his Mom in this psuedo-Wiccan Neo-Pagan formula, now ain't that some freaky s**t there 0.o
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:57 pm


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I've heard of some people plugging in Jesus and his Mom in this psuedo-Wiccan Neo-Pagan formula, now ain't that some freaky s**t there 0.o

Better than going all Da Vinci Code and declaring Jesus in the God and Mary Magdalene is the Goddess....

...which would totally viable in a Chaos Magician's paradigm. gonk

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:08 pm


Huh. I didn't even realize they had actual names.
Well, guess I'll never find out what they are, since I probably won't end up joining a coven...
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