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Yi Min

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:31 pm


I realize it is normal for female's to have, what I and many others like to call, "maternal pangs". But lately, I feel like I am actually ready. Like there is a small hole in my heart that I am ready to fill. Sure, I've had these feelings before but none have lasted this long. I think I first realized this over a month ago.

I catch myself doing things that I usually do not do. I find myself smiling when we pass the baby section of a department store, more curiously looking at babies, feeling jealous when I hear the toddler next door yell "MOMMY!" Yes, this is getting insane- at least for me.

So, I have brought this up to my husband on several occasions. Probably not in the most mature manner. (Most of the time I am ready to cry.) We have the financial stability - we do not live pay to pay- , we are responsible, mature, he is about to get promoted, we live in a fairly good sized apartment, we are happy with eachother and all the good things people tell you to ask yourself first. His flight is no longer undermanned and he will be getting an 8 hour work day! xd

He isn't ready. He wants to wait another year or two.
neutral "But why?" I ask.
My husband wants to be promoted first, he wants to be more settled into our new place, he wants me to be in a situation where I can at least still take classes towords my degree... and so much more.

Ok. I understand waiting for promotion. More extra money. That would give us well over 1000 extra a month. But it's not like he has to wait till next year. By the time the baby was born, he would already be promoted.

It is hard to explain to him that my schooling just does not matter to me anymore. It used to be a big deal only because everyone else made it be. Now, I see that I would absolutely LOVE to be a stay at home mother.

However, he says that if it were to happen on accident- he'd be completely fine. That we are in a good situation to handle it. I DON'T UNDERSTAND!

I am really starting to believe there is something deeper. Maybe I am just crazy? I feel guilty for even talking about it.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:04 pm


Ah, this was my story about 18 months ago, so I can totally understand your frustration. -hugs-

My husband also said and did contradictory things. In one breath he'd give 10 BS reasons why we couldn't have a baby and then in another he'd say that if we got pregnant on accident it was fine because we were in a position to be able to handle it. .___. So if it was on accident it was GREAT but otherwise we'd die horrific miserable deaths if we got pregnant on purpose. I was all kinds of confused and just knew that the only thing I really wanted and had for years was a baby and it was the only thing I wasn't getting.

Being military you don't have to worry about medical bills and some of the other things you'd have to if you were a civilian and if the AF is like the Army you probably see women your age and maybe even younger with at least one child. It can just be so maddening.

What it ended up being with my husband, the REAL reason and not the others he threw at me that were total BS, was just a superficial age thing. He didn't want to be a father before he was 23. Not because of life experience or anything like that, it was just a magic number he had dreamed up that made him more comfortable with the idea. It may be something as simple as that in your case and he's just not outright saying it.

What I had to do in order to keep my sanity was pick up a cute baby piece here or there, like a onesie or a hat I really liked so I could look at it and tell myself, "Yes, this will be used someday." It might help for you as well until he decides to get on the bandwagon.

I know I must have been miserable to live with during that time though because I was so upset and forelorn because I was pining for a baby that he wasn't ready for. Don't feel guilty about it. Just give it a little time and bring it up again and try to talk about it...find out what his real reason is.

You can always go back to school and you're not strapped for money. I'm sure there's something else.


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Yi Min

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:17 pm


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Ah, this was my story about 18 months ago, so I can totally understand your frustration. -hugs-

My husband also said and did contradictory things. In one breath he'd give 10 BS reasons why we couldn't have a baby and then in another he'd say that if we got pregnant on accident it was fine because we were in a position to be able to handle it. .___. So if it was on accident it was GREAT but otherwise we'd die horrific miserable deaths if we got pregnant on purpose. I was all kinds of confused and just knew that the only thing I really wanted and had for years was a baby and it was the only thing I wasn't getting.

Being military you don't have to worry about medical bills and some of the other things you'd have to if you were a civilian and if the AF is like the Army you probably see women your age and maybe even younger with at least one child. It can just be so maddening.


AF is similiar to the Army in child respect. I see them everywhere. We live in the housing area full of pre-schoolers to 5th graders. That is how I feel EXACTLY "The only thing I really want, I am not getting." And what drives me insane is seeing mothers who are younger than me by two years.

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What it ended up being with my husband, the REAL reason and not the others he threw at me that were total BS, was just a superficial age thing. He didn't want to be a father before he was 23. Not because of life experience or anything like that, it was just a magic number he had dreamed up that made him more comfortable with the idea. It may be something as simple as that in your case and he's just not outright saying it.


I could most definetly see him thinking something similiar to this. I am hoping it really is that simple. He's extremely patient and always knows how to brighten someone's day. I am afraid he may think he would make a bad father.

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What I had to do in order to keep my sanity was pick up a cute baby piece here or there, like a onesie or a hat I really liked so I could look at it and tell myself, "Yes, this will be used someday." It might help for you as well until he decides to get on the bandwagon.


Was what you were doing similiar to a Hope Chest? Where you collect things for the future and keep them in a safe place until they can be used? I started something similiar after I graduated HS. I have mostly books and a classic pooh binki. I have asked him if I could continue on it and he has said it sounds like a good idea.

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I know I must have been miserable to live with during that time though because I was so upset and forelorn because I was pining for a baby that he wasn't ready for. Don't feel guilty about it. Just give it a little time and bring it up again and try to talk about it...find out what his real reason is.


LOL. I know I must be miserable to live with right now. I mean, I feel like all I do is long for a child. Er. It drives me even more insane that I KNOW I am driving him insane.

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You can always go back to school and you're not strapped for money. I'm sure there's something else.

Exactly. And with the way the university is set up here, I can take Live Distance Education class. Which is where they set up a chatroom for the classroom and the instructor talks through a mic. It's great. One of my classes is like that right now. It isn't like I would quit school forever. I value education- but right now I feel like it isn't my Number One.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:05 pm


oh my. you must understand that men are not designed/raised to nurture. that comes with experience. in my experience men are afraid of babies; kind of like they go through the baby blues freak out thing before the baby is even concieved. in my culture (latino), babies are passed around from family member to family member, young and old, including the men. latino men hold and kiss their sons on throughout their adulthood (at least in my family) but my husband is american and i've noticed the men here are never allowed to hold a baby much less care for them. they might be considered sissies or dismissed/disrespected because of their gender. it is taking my husband a long time to come to terms with being a father since he had such a horrible example of one himself, and he is incredibly good with the boys. i learned many years ago that there is no "right or better time" to have a child. you make do with what the fates have given you and like everything else in life, you try to make the best of it. enjoy this time now with your husband and talk about how you want to raise your kids: what you will and won't do. learn from the experiences of others and be prepared to throw most of it away when the unexpected happens with your kids. this is so very important for the future of your kids (you are their rolemodels) and your marriage. watch and learn from your parents: how you were raised is often how we raise our kids, conciously or unconciously. in the end we will raise our kids the way we wish we had been brought up, but be careful not to spoil them too much. if they don't see you tell them no, how can you expect them to say no to pressure for drugs or child molestors. this is also a good time to practice your poker face. when you laugh at their antics, you've automaticaly unermined your authority! (yes, we are currently having problems with this.)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:32 am


Ok, a lot of that isn't true, Presea. Being male doesn't make someone less likely to be a nurturing and good parent nor does being female mean that you will be.

I know plenty of younger dads who are 'velcro daddies' and they always have their babies and are cuddling them, taking care of them and doing a great job, even without having had fathers who did so. What is changing is societal attitudes about what their proper place is and men are being allowed to express those feelings moreso then in the past.

But that's not what this topic is about: Please stay on topic or we'll have to delete posts or lock this.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:41 am


Edited due to failure to stay on-topic.

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Yi Min

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:09 pm


I don't think him being afraid of children is so much his concern. He is great with children. Robert coos, plays with and such just as much as I do.

I have found that his main concern is he doesn't want to be a young father. He sees it as a negative thing, where as I do not. Most of the people in his family were older when they began having children. (Late twenties/early thirties.) However, he doesn't want to wait till he is in his thirties. lol. Men are confusing beings.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:10 pm


never let it be said that i can't take a hint! wink

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Nikolita

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:04 pm


Yi Min, you sound a lot like me. Holy crap have I been having maternal pangs, and I'm only 19. gonk My boyfriend is only 20.
(Pirate Dirge can explain to you, because I ended up PM'ing her one day to vent.)

I've touched upon maternal urges with my boyfriend, but I don't think he understands quite how serious they are. So I haven't gone into them in detail, and am just leaving things as they are now. I want a baby, even though I know full well that we'd have trouble supporting one. With my family's help, and with his parents' help too, I think we'd be ok.

My boyfriend and I have talked several times about what would happen if I were to get pregnant, and we've already come to the conclusion that I'd keep the baby. I've already stresssed that I am pro-life when it comes to my body, and I refuse to get an abortion. I also am not ok with the idea of adoption for me personally, and would not give up my child unless absolutely necessary. So the last option is keeping the child, which is the one I decided on. Before anyone calls me selfish or anything like that, I gave him the option of not being in my life if I were to get pregnant and have the baby. He then said that he would not abandon me to raise the child on my own, and said that he would at least play some sort of role in my life and in our child's life.

Though for us, it's not just a matter of finances. We're going to move in together in the fall, and relocate to another part of BC so he can go to university and get a degree in a university. That way, at least 1 of us will be able to get a good job with a decent pay. My own education will be put on hold for a few years, but I have no problem with that.

The thing is, as much as I want one, I have several issues that are managing to keep my maternal urges at bay:

1) I refuse to be labeled a statistic. I don't want to be labeled a "teen mother" and then have people look down on my automatically for being pregnant at 19, and giving birth when I'm 20 (this is presuming I were to get pregnant now).

2) My boyfriend has said that he wants kids later in life, like mid - late 20's. He didn't say with me (we're not looking that far ahead yet xp ), so it was just a general comment. While he has said that he would not abandon me if I were to get pregnant now, it's not a responsibility I want to push upon him. I put his welfare above my own, and while I don't mind being pregnant at my age, I don't want to force him to make a choice like that.

3) Both of us are persuing an education of our own. His is happening to come first, but we've talked about how I would get mine after he gets his. Having a baby would put a financial, emotional, and educational strain on us and our relationship. Presuming we were together through the pregnancy and continued to date after the baby was born, one or both of us would probably have to put off our educations until at least one of us was available enough to go back to school part-time or full-time. Obviuosly that would be a hard thing to do, and might result in one or both of us having to take a lower-end job to support each other and the baby.

4) Financial issues. Iv'e been working part-time, but I barely make enough to cover rent. I'd have to stop going to school entirely and start working full-time to have any hope of scrapping together enough money to help provide for a baby. My boyfriend is going to return to his summer job (which pays an obscene amount of money, because it's a union job in the educational field), but the money is going towards our rent once we move in the fall. It's also to help cover his future tuition once he starts going to the new university (we're both in college right now, but he's in his last semester). So while I'm guessing that my family wouldn't just abandon me and not help support my baby and I (and presuming my boyfriend's family would help out a little too), I am not sure how much they would help contribute. There's also the issues of things like them possibly baby-sitting for me, etc etc.

5) I'm presuming it would cause some stress and tension within my family if I were to get pregnant, and I'm presuming it would cause some within my boyfriend's family as well. To a certain degree at least. While my mother has expressed extreme anxiety and nervousness about me getting pregnant at my age (my dad didn't say anything, but I don't know if he heard my mom at the time and what she was talking about), I don't know how my boyfriend's family would feel. His father talked to us both, and we told him we're taking the necessary precautions, and we left it at that. So far, we've been lucky. Depo is extremely effective against pregnancy (well for me at least), so I'm going to sticky with it for awhile longer.


I could go on, but those are just some of the main issues for why I am not getting pregnant right now at this point in my life. I want a baby like you wouldn't believe, but the cons outweight the pros right now. I've told my boyfriend that I will not purposefully get pregnant without his knowledge (like we'd have to both agree on wanting a baby first before I were to actually get pregnant), and that I would never, ever do something as low as go off birth control to get pregnant on purpose without telling him. So we've agreed on that much.

Don't get me wrong though. If I happen to get pregnant accidently (unplanned basically), I would be happy. I would be very, very happy to have the chance to be a mother. As I've already mentioned, my boyfriend has said he wouldn't abandon me, nor would he force me to get an abortion. My body, my choice he said. So if it happens, then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Not much else we can do besides that. I'm planning on going off Depo at some point before the end of the year, and I'm a little worried about the effectiveness of the Patch corresponding with the Depo wearing off, even though the Patch effectiveness rate is still about 99%.

Though there's still the little voice in the back of my head which just absolutely gushes at the though of a child resulting from a union between my boyfriend and I, and seeing what such a child would grow up to look like. 4laugh But that's just my maternal side talking.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:10 pm


Nikolita
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I could go on, but those are just some of the main issues for why I am not getting pregnant right now at this point in my life. I want a baby like you wouldn't believe, but the cons outweight the pros right now. I've told my boyfriend that I will not purposefully get pregnant without his knowledge (like we'd have to both agree on wanting a baby first before I were to actually get pregnant), and that I would never, ever do something as low as go off birth control to get pregnant on purpose without telling him. So we've agreed on that much.

Don't get me wrong though. If I happen to get pregnant accidently (unplanned basically), I would be happy. I would be very, very happy to have the chance to be a mother. As I've already mentioned, my boyfriend has said he wouldn't abandon me, nor would he force me to get an abortion. My body, my choice he said. So if it happens, then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Not much else we can do besides that. I'm planning on going off Depo at some point before the end of the year, and I'm a little worried about the effectiveness of the Patch corresponding with the Depo wearing off, even though the Patch effectiveness rate is still about 99%.

Though there's still the little voice in the back of my head which just absolutely gushes at the though of a child resulting from a union between my boyfriend and I, and seeing what such a child would grow up to look like. 4laugh But that's just my maternal side talking.


It's so great that you are able to put your pros and cons down. That is very important for anyone in a relationship who runs a risk of having a child. I have done the same. But, my pros seem to outweigh my cons considerably. I just wish his Pros and Cons were the same.

I would never go off of my birth control either. It's just a huge urge that I want him to be ok with. You know "Ok, let's have a baby!" So, that I can go to the doctor and get vitamins and such.. But, until then, I will continue to use my patch. I don't want to force anything on him, as he would never force anything on me.

I am not so much as gushing about 'a baby to show our love' type thing. I really do feel like I have a small part missing from my heart. Like there is something missing from my life. It really is becomming depressing. I am ready for our family to grow and take the next step, it's just a matter of waiting for him to tell me he is ready and it is killing me!

Yi Min


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:16 pm


I can see where you're coming from, since you're only a year or so older than me I think. A lot of what you're saying rings true with me.

But I don't just want to "gush about having a baby with him", and that sort of thing. As you said, it's like there's a hole in my heart. There's a part of me that isn't complete, and won't be complete or fulfilled until I one day become a mother.

Sometimes I feel my pros outweigh my cons. But I know my boyfriend isn't ready, and so I will attempt to wait patiently. If I happen to get pregnant after I switch to a slightly less effective method of birth control, then so be it.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:21 pm


Nikolita
I can see where you're coming from, since you're only a year or so older than me I think. A lot of what you're saying rings true with me.

But I don't just want to "gush about having a baby with him", and that sort of thing. As you said, it's like there's a hole in my heart. There's a part of me that isn't complete, and won't be complete or fulfilled until I one day become a mother.

Sometimes I feel my pros outweigh my cons. But I know my boyfriend isn't ready, and so I will attempt to wait patiently. If I happen to get pregnant after I switch to a slightly less effective method of birth control, then so be it.


I am glad that I am not alone in that boat. It really is a hush hush sort of thing, because everyone expects us to be into other things at this age.

If I factor in his pros and cons with mine, they end up being equal to eachother. But, most of his cons make little sense to me. For example "I want us to go to Texas this summer and to Mexico." Well, if we were to try now, I'd only be about four- five months along. You can still fly and drive long distances in the first and second trimester. O.o

Yi Min


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:27 pm


Yi Min
Nikolita
I can see where you're coming from, since you're only a year or so older than me I think. A lot of what you're saying rings true with me.

But I don't just want to "gush about having a baby with him", and that sort of thing. As you said, it's like there's a hole in my heart. There's a part of me that isn't complete, and won't be complete or fulfilled until I one day become a mother.

Sometimes I feel my pros outweigh my cons. But I know my boyfriend isn't ready, and so I will attempt to wait patiently. If I happen to get pregnant after I switch to a slightly less effective method of birth control, then so be it.


I am glad that I am not alone in that boat. It really is a hush hush sort of thing, because everyone expects us to be into other things at this age.

If I factor in his pros and cons with mine, they end up being equal to eachother. But, most of his cons make little sense to me. For example "I want us to go to Texas this summer and to Mexico." Well, if we were to try now, I'd only be about four- five months along. You can still fly and drive long distances in the first and second trimester. O.o


Well, I'm guessing there might be medical risks (in case it might be a complicated pregnancy), and stress to deal with, and money concerns too. I mean if you were spending money yto go to Texas or Mexico, that'd be money that would take away from the money for the baby, no?

I wish you both the best though. heart
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:54 pm


Nikolita
Yi Min
Nikolita
I can see where you're coming from, since you're only a year or so older than me I think. A lot of what you're saying rings true with me.

But I don't just want to "gush about having a baby with him", and that sort of thing. As you said, it's like there's a hole in my heart. There's a part of me that isn't complete, and won't be complete or fulfilled until I one day become a mother.

Sometimes I feel my pros outweigh my cons. But I know my boyfriend isn't ready, and so I will attempt to wait patiently. If I happen to get pregnant after I switch to a slightly less effective method of birth control, then so be it.


I am glad that I am not alone in that boat. It really is a hush hush sort of thing, because everyone expects us to be into other things at this age.

If I factor in his pros and cons with mine, they end up being equal to eachother. But, most of his cons make little sense to me. For example "I want us to go to Texas this summer and to Mexico." Well, if we were to try now, I'd only be about four- five months along. You can still fly and drive long distances in the first and second trimester. O.o


Well, I'm guessing there might be medical risks (in case it might be a complicated pregnancy), and stress to deal with, and money concerns too. I mean if you were spending money yto go to Texas or Mexico, that'd be money that would take away from the money for the baby, no?

I wish you both the best though. heart


There are medical risks, but only the common ones that go for everyone. Nothing extra. I am not so concerned about money issues. I get free medical and so would my child. Therefor, I would be able to save whatever money would have went to medical for other things. And, his parents are paying for us to go to Texas to see them as a gift. So, really there is not s money barrier... just a husband barrier. blaugh

Yi Min


Yi Min

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:14 pm


arrow Update thingie...

So, we have actually talked more about it. He says if he gets promoted before the end of this year, that he would love to start trying for a child at the beginning to middle of 2007. I am good with this xd . I can see why he doesn't want me to be with-child when we visit his parents. His uncles are throwing us a first year anniversary party in Mexico and he wants me to be able to Part-eh and not feel left out.

Other than that we are going to start a hope-chest. My mother sent me things from when I was a baby. My first nightlight, my first music thingie (it twists, plays music and spins), and a picture of a teddy bear that was in my nursery when I was a baby with the "Now I lay me down to sleep" prayer on it. I think it's a good start. All of it is 20 years old though.

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