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Shadows-shine

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:23 pm


So I've noticed that it seems to be okay for members of other churches to point out doctrines within the LDS Church and say that they are not Biblically backed and they are false and etc. Then those members of the other churches expect the LDS member to just be okay with the criticism and not retort and defend our beliefs. We are basically expected to just roll over and take it. But then when a member of the LDS Church points out that a doctrine within a protestant church isn't biblically back, we are seen as being hypocritical and rude. All this anti-LDS literature is thrown in our faces and the discussion isn't constructive.


Any ways that's my rant. Has any one else noticed this? I've noticed it increasingly more so the longer I have been a member of the LDS Church. Would you consider it a double standard? Should we refrain from having religious discussions with people of other faiths? Opinions? Discussion?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:40 pm


Well... I am not a member of the LDS church... nor any church for that matter... But I was raised a protestant, and I was once like that in away, but I opened my mind, after dropping out of my church... and I listened to other beliefs... and now I have to say, that I agree with the LDS church more than any other one... now I can look back and say that protestant's do have an ego problem... and I have had anti-Mormon doctrine remarks thrown at me too... but no matter what I tell them, they won't listen... I have even asked them to look at Mormon.org... However, they choose to ignore that and look for biased articles to get their information instead. They somehow think biased information is better than first hand information...

It's kind of like they think that they're right, everyone else is wrong, and they are so convinced of that... that they stick their fingers in their ears to keep from hearing another view point... very stubborn.


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Shadows-shine

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 pm


I was raised protestant and had a very anti-LDS backround growing up. My parents are very against the Church and they still are. I grew up reading nothing but anti-LDS literature, and to be honest it was sickening. I couldn't believe people would spread so much hate about one religion. When I started investigating the Church, I began to realize that all the anti-LDS stuff was either flat out lies or distorted information. Plus, once I started praying and asking Heavenly Father what His opinion was, my whole perspective changed and I knew that all the things that the anti-LDS stuff wasn't true. It couldn't be, especially if Heavenly Father said the Church was true.

In all of the debates that I have gotten in about the Church, I have provided scripture, websites, book references, etc. that back up my stance in saying that the doctrine that the LDS Church teaches is true, but I basically feel like those on the receiving end are just sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "nah nah nah I can't hear you!"
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:01 pm


Shadows-shine
I was raised protestant and had a very anti-LDS backround growing up. My parents are very against the Church and they still are. I grew up reading nothing but anti-LDS literature, and to be honest it was sickening. I couldn't believe people would spread so much hate about one religion. When I started investigating the Church, I began to realize that all the anti-LDS stuff was either flat out lies or distorted information. Plus, once I started praying and asking Heavenly Father what His opinion was, my whole perspective changed and I knew that all the things that the anti-LDS stuff wasn't true. It couldn't be, especially if Heavenly Father said the Church was true.

In all of the debates that I have gotten in about the Church, I have provided scripture, websites, book references, etc. that back up my stance in saying that the doctrine that the LDS Church teaches is true, but I basically feel like those on the receiving end are just sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "nah nah nah I can't hear you!"

In my area it's rare to find a(n) LDS church, so it's not very common to hear anti-Mormon stuff here... however, if it is somehow brought up, people just kinda have that deer in the headlights look for some reason.

I mean I started investigating the church, because I also wanted to find out the truth... I can back up a lot of things with scripture and website references... and I have the Book of Mormon and I am reading a few books written by Mormon authors at the moment, which I can't really share with my parents because my dad especially is anti any other church besides Old regular Baptist beliefs... a friend of mine sent me the Book of Mormon and the few other books. So I get it in away...


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Shadows-shine

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:56 am


It's sort of commonly rare (for lack of a better term) to find an LDS Church in the area I live. I attend the meetings in town here because we have a chapel here, but the population of the town I live is not a very prominant LDS town. Most of the people here are Catholic and protestant. Most people though don't have anti-LDS opinions, until you start discussing the Church with them, then they start pulling out books and researching the internet and throwing stuff out at you that isn't the truth.

It's hard for me to share any of my religious beliefs with my parents because they are so against the Church, but I try to make them understand that the Church is part of who I am and it's important to me, so when it comes up in conversation they just have to deal with it, because I am expected to deal with what ever they believe in.

I also find it difficult to understand the stereotype that people have put on the Church and the missionaries, which is that all we want to do is covert people in order to gain more money. Partially true, we do want to convert people, but only because we want to them to experience the truth of the gospel. As for gaining more money, none of the money that is paid in tithes goes to the Bishopric. It goes for charity, missionary efforts, etc. I'm amazed at all the tithing money is used for. It's awesome how much aid the Church provides for people.

That's awesome that you have been reading the Book of Mormon and other books that have been published by LDS authors. I hope you are getting a lot of questions answered. I was first introduced to the Book of Mormon in high school and it took me four years to fully convert to the Church and accept that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, a lot of it had to do with my stubbornness, the fact that my parents were so against the Church, and my all out refusal to pray about what the Book of Mormon contained.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:01 am


Shadows-shine
It's sort of commonly rare (for lack of a better term) to find an LDS Church in the area I live. I attend the meetings in town here because we have a chapel here, but the population of the town I live is not a very prominant LDS town. Most of the people here are Catholic and protestant. Most people though don't have anti-LDS opinions, until you start discussing the Church with them, then they start pulling out books and researching the internet and throwing stuff out at you that isn't the truth.
Hmm where I live, it's all protestants mainly. There really isn't any Catholics here either... I think that the nearest LDS church is actually an hour from where I live, and in another state... But I know what you mean... I have gotten into so many disagreement's with one friend in particular... >_>

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It's hard for me to share any of my religious beliefs with my parents because they are so against the Church, but I try to make them understand that the Church is part of who I am and it's important to me, so when it comes up in conversation they just have to deal with it, because I am expected to deal with what ever they believe in.
and I can get where you're going with strict parents. My dad is one of them... I mean my mom is sort of anti any other church... but my dad is a tad bit extreme, so he doesn't even know that I have the Book of Mormon...

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I also find it difficult to understand the stereotype that people have put on the Church and the missionaries, which is that all we want to do is covert people in order to gain more money. Partially true, we do want to convert people, but only because we want to them to experience the truth of the gospel. As for gaining more money, none of the money that is paid in tithes goes to the Bishopric. It goes for charity, missionary efforts, etc. I'm amazed at all the tithing money is used for. It's awesome how much aid the Church provides for people.

I haven't really heard any stereotypes on missionaries... of course as I said earlier, I don't live in an area where there is any LDS churches... but the friend of mine that sent me the Book of Mormon is a Missionary, who sent it to me before she went to Peru... she was there a lot when I had questions to ask, and she helped me understand a lot of my questions... So I have no problem with any of that... I think people in general try to find something like that, and distort the truth to make someone, or in this case the Church look bad.

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That's awesome that you have been reading the Book of Mormon and other books that have been published by LDS authors. I hope you are getting a lot of questions answered. I was first introduced to the Book of Mormon in high school and it took me four years to fully convert to the Church and accept that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, a lot of it had to do with my stubbornness, the fact that my parents were so against the Church, and my all out refusal to pray about what the Book of Mormon contained.

I was introduced to it, at the beggining of my sophmore year in College, so not to long ago. College is keeping me from getting time to read what I would like too, but I am trying.


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Shadows-shine

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:15 pm


When I was given the Book of Mormon in high school, I kept it hidden from my parents for a few months, but then once I started reading it and finding out that it didn't contradict the Bible, I slowly started making it known that I had a copy in my possession and that I found it to be true. My parents were not happy. My mom started making fun of me and calling me a mormon like it was some derogatory thing. My dad just didn't think it was a good idea for me to get invovled with the "occult". rolleyes
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:16 pm


Shadows-shine
When I was given the Book of Mormon in high school, I kept it hidden from my parents for a few months, but then once I started reading it and finding out that it didn't contradict the Bible, I slowly started making it known that I had a copy in my possession and that I found it to be true. My parents were not happy. My mom started making fun of me and calling me a mormon like it was some derogatory thing. My dad just didn't think it was a good idea for me to get invovled with the "occult". rolleyes
I'm not really afraid to let people know that I have it, or that I agree with the LDS church on a lot of things... I mean, I carry around the BoM at school... I just don't want my dad to know... he got mad at me once for carrying around a New King James version of the Bible... so if he flipped out on me for that... I would hate to see what he would do, if he knew that I have the Book of Mormon ._.


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Shadows-shine

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:44 pm


Jester25
Shadows-shine
When I was given the Book of Mormon in high school, I kept it hidden from my parents for a few months, but then once I started reading it and finding out that it didn't contradict the Bible, I slowly started making it known that I had a copy in my possession and that I found it to be true. My parents were not happy. My mom started making fun of me and calling me a mormon like it was some derogatory thing. My dad just didn't think it was a good idea for me to get invovled with the "occult". rolleyes
I'm not really afraid to let people know that I have it, or that I agree with the LDS church on a lot of things... I mean, I carry around the BoM at school... I just don't want my dad to know... he got mad at me once for carrying around a New King James version of the Bible... so if he flipped out on me for that... I would hate to see what he would do, if he knew that I have the Book of Mormon ._.


Oh yeah, I totally understand. When I joined the Church my parents almost disowned me and they still don't look at me the same way now. So I totally understand your position.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:05 pm


I live in an area where people are not very religiously active, so we "crazy Mormon kids" with our early morning seminary and our BYU hoodies stick out like sore thumbs most of the time. Or you would think so. But in actuality, telling someone you're Mormon typically just ellicits a confused stare or denial. One of my friends actually had somebody try to tell him he "wasn't a Mormon" because he "didn't seem Mormon." My friend's completely active, and was wearing his abovementioned BYU hoodie that day.

All the same, this intense apathy can be frusterating from the perspective of a member missionary. I try to show my non-member (I affectionatly refer to them as 'Muggles') friends what I believe, but they're truely uninterested. I almost wish they would try to prove me wrong! At least then I wouldn't have to start the conversations. It seems much more forceful that way.

So I don't have to deal with that "double standard" very frequently. Because no one's gonna care enough to bash any church. And if they bash religion, they bash on Christianity as a whole. Not a great alternative, but at least that provides a bit less of a sense of verbal abuse. It hurts a lot more when they say "organized religion is crazy, especially the Mormons."

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:22 pm


This wall of text above me has basically brought up about everything I was thinking of saying, so I'll just agree to it all. Anyone's religion is correct according to their interpretation of the Bible. In fact, many people believe that we don't read the Holy Bible.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:13 pm


That stereotype and misconception of the Church really bugs me. Of course we read the Bible! In discussions I've gotten in with people about the Church, they've questioned the Article of Faith that says we believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly. They ask why does the Bible get some sort of stipulation attatched to it, but we accept the Book of Mormon with out question. My response to them is that every one accepts the Bible as far as it is translated correctly, because we all want something that is accurately translated that way it makes sense and we are getting the proper information.

Shadows-shine

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:50 am


Shadows-shine
That stereotype and misconception of the Church really bugs me. Of course we read the Bible! In discussions I've gotten in with people about the Church, they've questioned the Article of Faith that says we believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly. They ask why does the Bible get some sort of stipulation attatched to it, but we accept the Book of Mormon with out question. My response to them is that every one accepts the Bible as far as it is translated correctly, because we all want something that is accurately translated that way it makes sense and we are getting the proper information.

I've came across this stereotype... But these two people thought that the Book of Mormon was "the Mormon Bible" and one asked if the LDS church "recommended" reading the Bible... I was sort of shocked when I heard that one...
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:20 am


Jester25
Shadows-shine
That stereotype and misconception of the Church really bugs me. Of course we read the Bible! In discussions I've gotten in with people about the Church, they've questioned the Article of Faith that says we believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly. They ask why does the Bible get some sort of stipulation attatched to it, but we accept the Book of Mormon with out question. My response to them is that every one accepts the Bible as far as it is translated correctly, because we all want something that is accurately translated that way it makes sense and we are getting the proper information.

I've came across this stereotype... But these two people thought that the Book of Mormon was "the Mormon Bible" and one asked if the LDS church "recommended" reading the Bible... I was sort of shocked when I heard that one...


The Book of Mormon has been called the "Mormon Bible" for a very long time. I think it was even called that back when Joseph Smith was translating it. Until people start educating themselves and investigating what the Book of Mormon contains they're never going to fully understand the purpose of the Book. It's for both Jews and Gentiles and to convince them that Jesus is the Chirst.

Shadows-shine

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lordofthecows

PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:29 pm


I heard "Mormon Bible" all the time on my mission. Some say the term "as far as it is translated correctly" means we pick and choose, and many believe that the Bible is without any flaw. Obviously they've never really read the whole thing, as it's full of contradictions as well as grammatical errors.
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