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witchunterobin Vice Captain
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 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:51 pm
So, I've seen the use of these before. I am not truly sure what each of them actually are and what their appropriate uses might be. Seals - I heard that this involves Demonology and reading text about Key of Solomon, which was produced by King Solomon himself. Is that true and if so, why did he feel that it was good to use them when the Christian bible forbids magic/k? Also, about Jewish Mysticism: Why was this created? I know it has something to do with the Kabbalah/Qabalah, but the rest I am unsure of. Sigils - I have the book, Grimorie for the Green Witch by Ann Moura, which has a Witch's Sigil wheel in it. What is the sigil wheel and why is it important enough to place in a book? Ogham - Are the Ogham fews like the Runic alphabets? If so, are they used like runes as well?
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:39 pm
You bring up a lot of good points (you usually do sweatdrop ) but I think I've heard of Ogham and what its uses/reasons for existing are. But at the moment I can't definitely remember. In the morning (since its rather late) I think I'll check the book I know its out of (assuming I'm right) and get back to this. I'd love to help out at least a little!
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witchunterobin Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:12 pm
Ryu Dassohei You bring up a lot of good points (you usually do sweatdrop ) but I think I've heard of Ogham and what its uses/reasons for existing are. But at the moment I can't definitely remember. In the morning (since its rather late) I think I'll check the book I know its out of (assuming I'm right) and get back to this. I'd love to help out at least a little! I'm going to reread texts and maybe find something too, but it's just been in the back of my mind with sharp claws to remind me that the question exists.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:26 am
I have that book by Ann Moura here... smile
I know very little about the seals you're talking about, except for their use in Christian Mysticism, which is why it was ok, involving the use of the angels, and not praising any other deity.
The Ogham tree runes can also be used like the Futhark runes, as well as the original use of it being an alphabet. I think it was the early Celts who used the Ogham alphabet for communication, then later as a form of divination. I haven't been able to look into Ogham divination much for personal use.
Directly looking at "Grimoire for a green witch" in pages 249-250, even though they're labeled as "seals", in other books these are sigils, and they can be created directly from the "planetary squares" (also called magick squares) seen on pg 248. The "witch's seal" on pg 195 is used the same way as the planetary squares to create symbols similar to the ones shown on pg 249.
Unfortunately this book doesn't show in detail how that is done but there's another book that does, and I originally found info online about it. Actually I think SRW's "Book of Shadows for the new generation" goes into this as well.
As far as I know in magical practice, there's little difference in a seal and a sigil except for how you use it (in my opinion at least). I use a seal for a finishing touch, and to give your intended energy an extra oomph towards your goal. A sigil would be used to represent a name, idea, or goal. Some witches create a sigil for their name, like a graphic signature.
Even the geomantic characters shown on pg 244-247 can be considered sigils, mainly because they were "mapped out" to represent each idea.
Wow it's 4AM, hope that helped some! sweatdrop
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witchunterobin Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:54 am
MyValenwind I have that book by Ann Moura here... smile
I know very little about the seals you're talking about, except for their use in Christian Mysticism, which is why it was ok, involving the use of the angels, and not praising any other deity.
The Ogham tree runes can also be used like the Futhark runes, as well as the original use of it being an alphabet. I think it was the early Celts who used the Ogham alphabet for communication, then later as a form of divination. I haven't been able to look into Ogham divination much for personal use.
Directly looking at "Grimoire for a green witch" in pages 249-250, even though they're labeled as "seals", in other books these are sigils, and they can be created directly from the "planetary squares" (also called magick squares) seen on pg 248. The "witch's seal" on pg 195 is used the same way as the planetary squares to create symbols similar to the ones shown on pg 249.
Unfortunately this book doesn't show in detail how that is done but there's another book that does, and I originally found info online about it. Actually I think SRW's "Book of Shadows for the new generation" goes into this as well.
As far as I know in magical practice, there's little difference in a seal and a sigil except for how you use it (in my opinion at least). I use a seal for a finishing touch, and to give your intended energy an extra oomph towards your goal. A sigil would be used to represent a name, idea, or goal. Some witches create a sigil for their name, like a graphic signature.
Even the geomantic characters shown on pg 244-247 can be considered sigils, mainly because they were "mapped out" to represent each idea.
Wow it's 4AM, hope that helped some! sweatdrop That actually helps a lot. We have a level two snow advisory, so this is a great time for me to study. biggrin I am going to delve right now.
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:41 am
As far as Solomons seals being referenced- Solomon, like many other people mentioned in the Bible were not exactly Christian (In fact, most Old Testament figures were either Jewish or some form of Pagan((many of the "tribes" were pagan until converting to Judaism)), and only looked upon as converts post-New Testament). Anyway, Solomon was actually highlighted for his part-time occult work, that being the reason his kingdom was so chaotic in the latter parts of his rule (a metaphor for how Christians view occult practices bringing on trouble much?). The seals attributed to being his were to control/bring up/cast out spirits (angels, demons, ect). His work is most used by High Magicians, or anyone with enough time to sit down and attempt to read the archaic, and few, works about said seals. I wouldn't call it hard per se, but very complicated and labor intensive. Its suggested that one really comprehend the work before attempting it, not just due to its touted level of "danger", but that there is so much involved for the system to work properly.
Nowadays, the seals are being mass-marketed as amulets to be worn as necklaces, often found in New-age and Science shops.
As far as Ogham goes, haven't used it too much. I've been sort of neglecting my Celtic roots, and Ogham went right along with it...
Sigils, however, I use often. Mostly in working where I think they might help me focus further on an idea. Like...a spell I have for healing a friend involves writing their name on a piece of paper, surrounded by symbols and sigils of healing nature. There is really no other theme or correlation between the symbols, other than they are typically used for healing, and help me focus on the task at hand. I've noticed that the word "sigil" can mean multiple different things to different users, as they might be nordic runes, voudun veves, or angelic script.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:30 am
sweatdrop Now that I finally get to a book worth something, it looks like all I had to say has been pretty much covered minus a couple bits and pieces of history and stuff from this little dictionary article about it in my pocket dictionary of Irish Myth and Legend.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:27 am
Ryu Dassohei sweatdrop Now that I finally get to a book worth something, it looks like all I had to say has been pretty much covered minus a couple bits and pieces of history and stuff from this little dictionary article about it in my pocket dictionary of Irish Myth and Legend. How is that helpful to you? D: Maybe you should write a little bit about what you know and slip it in there. I found out that seals don't have to be used, same goes for sigils and ogham. If they work for the practitioner, then so be it. Seals and sigils were also used medieval times according to a few of my books(?), mostly referring to King Solomon,
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witchunterobin Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:46 pm
witchunterobin Ryu Dassohei sweatdrop Now that I finally get to a book worth something, it looks like all I had to say has been pretty much covered minus a couple bits and pieces of history and stuff from this little dictionary article about it in my pocket dictionary of Irish Myth and Legend. How is that helpful to you? D: Maybe you should write a little bit about what you know and slip it in there. I found out that seals don't have to be used, same goes for sigils and ogham. If they work for the practitioner, then so be it. Seals and sigils were also used medieval times according to a few of my books(?), mostly referring to King Solomon, Nyeh? : I really don't know much more, my understanding of what the ogham is either matches up or clashes slightly rofl I'm pretty used to it. But if you want it, I can put in that bit from the dictionary. "The sript of pre Christian Ireland, its invention was ascribed to Ogma. It was the first used for inscriptions on vertical stones; later in manuscripts, it was written horizontally. The alphabet was used for ceremonial purposes and seems to have been particularly popular amongst the pre Gaelic Erainn of West Munster. It contained letters such as q and z which do not occur in modern Irish." The only other bit I have to add is what I find most often is that things of religious importance to the Celts were not written down by anyone.
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